Go Skins Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [url="http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/NATL-LA-Two-Shot-at-Taft-Union-High-School-in-Kern-County-186337852.html"]http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/NATL-LA-Two-Shot-at-Taft-Union-High-School-in-Kern-County-186337852.html[/url] Two people were shot Thursday morning at a high school in the southern California town of Taft, according to the Kern County Fire Department. Emergency crews responded to Taft Union High School ([url="https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&q=taft+high+school,+taft,+ca&fb=1&gl=us&hq=taft+high+school,+taft,+ca&hnear=taft+high+school,+taft,+ca&cid=0,0,5449479079195448321&ei=fALvUPWrMoKdiQKO6YFQ&ved=0CKwBEPwSMAA"]map[/url]) at about 9 a.m. Students were evacuated to a football field, [url="http://www.kget.com/news/local/story/BREAKING-NEWS-Reports-of-shooting-at-Taft-High/kRmx9keo9Eej_M1cMh7ASg.cspx"]according to NBC affiliate KGET[/url]. The Kern County Sheriff's Department confirmed to KGET that the shooter was in custody. It was not immediately clear whether the victims were students. Kern County fire officials confirmed the shooting occurred on the campus. One person suffered minor injuries and refused treatment. A second victim was hospitalized, but details regarding the victim's condition were not immediately available. The high school is located about 120 miles north of Los Angeles in Taft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'll throw this out there before all the constitutional scholars show up. [img]http://i.imgur.com/k1vFj.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='Ben' timestamp='1357843044' post='1207009'] I'll throw this out there before all the constitutional scholars show up. [img]http://i.imgur.com/k1vFj.jpg[/img] [/quote] My only response to this is that... you do know there is a complete 180 degree perspective that is prevalent as well and just as "loud"? I only point this out because there are two sides to this argument and when either of those views is the first thing thought of its pretty sad. But, surely you knew this already and just elected to ignore 1/2 of the discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Fact: I like guns. Guns are awesome and fun to shoot. There would be no guns left on this planet if Obama had taken them away as many times as he was supposed to. I guess he has been to busy creating a communist regime to tackle the gun issue though. [quote name='Vol_Bengal' timestamp='1357843848' post='1207014'] My only response to this is that... you do know there is a complete 180 degree perspective that is prevalent as well and just as "loud"? I only point this out because there are two sides to this argument and when either of those views is the first thing thought of its pretty sad. But, surely you knew this already and just elected to ignore 1/2 of the discussion... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' timestamp='1357843848' post='1207014'] My only response to this is that... you do know there is a complete 180 degree perspective that is prevalent as well and just as "loud"? I only point this out because there are two sides to this argument and when either of those views is the first thing thought of its pretty sad. But, surely you knew this already and just elected to ignore 1/2 of the discussion... [/quote] No I'm not sure there is a 2nd side to the argument made that if your first reaction to this was "liberals/Obama are going to take my guns away" that your priorties as a human being suck. If that was your first reaction, your priorties as a human being do indeed suck, for 1. Nobody has even remotely proposed that and 2. Your priority should maybe be about the victim of said shooting? Not seeing any other side to that specific argument. To the 2nd amedment argument sure, but to the argument about your priorities as a human being suck if that was your first reaction, nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1357845099' post='1207021'] No I'm not sure there is a 2nd side to the argument made that if your first reaction to this was "liberals/Obama are going to take my guns away" that your priorties as a human being suck. If that was your first reaction, your priorties as a human being do indeed suck, for 1. Nobody has even remotely proposed that and 2. Your priority should maybe be about the victim of said shooting? Not seeing any other side to that specific argument. To the 2nd amedment argument sure, but to the argument about your priorities as a human being suck if that was your first reaction, nope. [/quote] Let me paint it for you then... I agree that if your first reaction isn't thinking of the victims regardless then yes, your life sucks. But, too many people, instead of thinking of the victims first, immediately think 1 of 2 things: 1) My 2nd amendment rights protect and guarantee I can keep and bear arms... (which is what was pointed out) or 2) Guns are bad and should be severely restricted / banned. If we could do away with them all would be right in the world. (which is my statement of a 2nd side...) I'm not saying either stance is right or wrong... only saying that you have either immediate view from too many people... and those reactions are pretty shitty, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 The truth of the matter is that if these damn assholes keep shooting people at places like schools at the recent rate that they are, Obama (or whomever is leading the government) [i]will[/i] take our guns away because eventually they will be left with no other alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' timestamp='1357845373' post='1207024'] Let me paint it for you then... I agree that if your first reaction isn't thinking of the victims regardless then yes, your life sucks. But, too many people, instead of thinking of the victims first, immediately think 1 of 2 things: 1) My 2nd amendment rights protect and guarantee I can keep and bear arms... (which is what was pointed out) or 2) Guns are bad and should be severely restricted / banned. If we could do away with them all would be right in the world. (which is my statement of a 2nd side...) I'm not saying either stance is right or wrong... only saying that you have either immediate view from too many people... and those reactions are pretty shitty, if you ask me. [/quote] Right and I agree that both 1 and 2 if those are your reactions your prorities as a human being suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 this is common now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='Bunghole' timestamp='1357845973' post='1207031']The truth of the matter is that if these damn assholes keep shooting people at places like schools at the recent rate that they are, Obama (or whomever is leading the government) [i]will[/i] take our guns away because eventually they will be left with no other alternative.[/quote] Which is why the onus should be on the NRA to recognize this and [b]be receptive to discussion on improving gun laws.[/b] I don't think anyone has posted it in the gun law debate thread but John Stewart's discussion on gun control the other night is spot on IIRC. We recognized their was a problem with drunk driving. Without banning booze or taking away everyone's car we managed to implement breathalyzers, harsher punishments, launched awareness campaigns etc. And despite the numbers of drivers skyrocketing, drunk driving deaths have been consistently reduced over 3-4 decades. But we can't even have the discussion. The words Gun Control, once uttered, have immediate negative and demonstrate-ably false connotations for 40% of our country AS A DIRECT RESULT of the NRA's propaganda machine. Something needs to be done. From the article I posted in the other thread: [quote]How is it that we live in a society in which one of the most compelling interests is gun ownership? Where is the science lobby? The safe food lobby? Where is the get-the-Chinese-lead-paint-out-of-our-kids’-toys lobby?[/quote] This is the heart of the issue IMO, our despicable culture of violence. But you're right, in 20-30 years if we never have the discussion, as the NRA would have it, I have a hard time believing spree shootings and gun violence in general will get better on its own. The numbers say they're getting worse. And someone probably will come and take your guns. At that point I'll be rooting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I believe this is what you are talking about and it was absoultuly brillant. [url="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter"]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Obama already done took my gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 [quote name='sois' timestamp='1357846382' post='1207034'] this is common now [/quote] sad but true... and that's not a Metallica reference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='Ben' timestamp='1357843044' post='1207009'] I'll throw this out there before all the constitutional scholars show up. [img]http://i.imgur.com/k1vFj.jpg[/img] [/quote] That's great. I posted those words on my Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='Bunghole' timestamp='1357845973' post='1207031'] The truth of the matter is that if these damn assholes keep shooting people at places like schools at the recent rate that they are, Obama (or whomever is leading the government) [i]will[/i] take our guns away because eventually they will be left with no other alternative. [/quote] From my cold, dead hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='BengalBacker' timestamp='1357894834' post='1207269'] From my cold, dead hands. [/quote] Calm down there Alex Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [b] [size=6]Tactical Response CEO Threatens To 'Start Killing People' Over Possible Obama Gun Measure (VIDEO)[/size][/b] One CEO says he's willing to go to outrageous lengths to protect his right to use a gun. James Yeager, CEO of Tactical Response, a Tennessee company that trains people in weapon and tactical skills, claimed in a video posted on YouTube and Facebook that [url="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/unhinged-tactical-response-ceo-threatens-to-start-killing-people-over-obamas-gun-control/"]he would "start killing people" if President Barack Obama decides to take executive action [/url]to pass further gun control policies, Raw Story reports. In a frenetic address to the camera, Yeager puts a call out to other gun rights advocates to "load your damn mags" and "get ready to fight" in what he claims will turn into a "civil war" if gun control measures in the country get any stricter. [b]SEE FULL VIDEO BELOW -- WARNING ADULT LANGUAGE [/b] Yeager's diatribe was a response to a recent statement from Vice President Joe Biden indicating that[url="http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/politics/gun-control-battle/index.html"] Obama was exploring using executive orders[/url] to address gun policy. Yeager accused Obama of being a "dictator" for considering taking action without Congress. After [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting/"]the massacre in Newtown, Conn.[/url] last month, [url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57560044/obama-sets-up-gun-violence-task-force/"]Obama instituted a task force[/url] lead by Biden to come up with policy proposals to deal with gun violence [url="http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html"]no later than this month[/url]. The Washington Post reported that the White House is considering [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/white-house-gun-control_n_2421714.html"]more expansive measures to tackle gun violence[/url] than simply reinstating a ban on assault weapons and large magazines. Biden's working group will consider initiatives such as a national database to track sale and movement of weapons and universal background checks for gun buyers. Yeager isn't the first gun advocate to loudly voice his opinion about potential action on Capitol Hill. On Monday, Radio Host [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-guns_n_2429161.html"]Alex Jones went on a scathing pro-gun tirade[/url] on "Piers Morgan Tonight" claiming that, "1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms! Doesn't matter how many lemmings you get out there on the street, begging for 'em to have their guns taken. We will not relinquish them. Do you understand?!" Yeager recently edited the video he put up on YouTube to not include his threat to "start killing people." The original video was preserved by Raw Story and can be seen below. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/james-yeager-start-killing-people-obama-gun-policy_n_2448751.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1357852611' post='1207087'] And despite the numbers of drivers skyrocketing, drunk driving deaths have been consistently reduced over 3-4 decades. [b]This is the heart of the issue IMO, our despicable culture of violence. But you're right, in 20-30 years if we never have the discussion, as the NRA would have it, I have a hard time believing spree shootings and gun violence in general will get better on its own. The numbers say they're getting worse. And someone probably will come and take your guns. At that point I'll be rooting for them.[/b] [/quote] Actually... if you look at the data and don't just take mainstream media sensationalization of these deplorable acts, gun violence is actually down... and consistently been dropping year after year. I'm not pointing at you directly Squirrel, just saying as a whole, based on how the media covers these incidents it appears that they're occurring more often, and to a worse degree. The data says different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1357908010' post='1207281'] Yeager recently edited the video he put up on YouTube to not include his threat to "start killing people." The original video was preserved by Raw Story and can be seen below. [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/james-yeager-start-killing-people-obama-gun-policy_n_2448751.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular"]http://www.huffingto...ref=mostpopular[/url] [/quote] That jackass looks like a real winner... not so much. Why do the extreme elements of both sides of these debates have to look like freaks and clowns??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' timestamp='1357908162' post='1207282'] Actually... if you look at the data and don't just take mainstream media sensationalization of these deplorable acts, gun violence is actually down... and consistently been dropping year after year. I'm not pointing at you directly Squirrel, just saying as a whole, based on how the media covers these incidents it appears that they're occurring more often, and to a worse degree. The data says different. [/quote] Gun violence down, spree shootings up. Edit to add some clarification. I should have worded that sentence like: "[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]I have a hard time believing spree shootings (and to a lesser extent) gun violence in general will get better on its own." I recognize that gun deaths have dropped consistently, but I'm not sure the same true for gun crimes. I thought that I had read aggravated assaults with guns have steadily increased but we're doing a better job of keeping victims alive...and lots of people are bad shots. When I get a chance after lunch I'll see if I can find where I read that.[/color][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [b] [url="http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/"]http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/[/url][/b] [b] [quote][/b] [b] The Myth Of Hitler’s Gun Ban[/b] [url="http://propagandaprofessordotnet2.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hitlerchurch.jpg"][img]http://propagandaprofessordotnet2.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hitlerchurch.jpg?w=225&h=300[/img][/url] Whenever a politician, or anyone else, starts talking about regulating guns, it’s a safe bet that someone will bring up how Hitler supposedly outlawed guns in Germany, which supposedly enabled him to do all the mischief he did. As we’ve [url="http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/01/28/what-would-we-do-without-hitler/"]noted[/url] before, Adolf is a staple reference among propagandists. It’s become an automatic response to compare anyone you don’t like to Der Fuhrer, on the grounds that since he was evil incarnate, everything he ever said or did must also be evil. People have even been known to suggest that since he was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil. It’s not surprising, then, that you often see this quote pop up: [i][b][color=gray]“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”[/color][/b][/i] –Adolf Hitler, 1935 Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all. This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil. What he did say, seven years later, was this: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.” So it’s fair to conclude that he believed “gun control” had its uses. But that’s quite a different thing from claiming that “gun control” was instrumental in the NAZI rise to power. And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935. There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy. But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one. And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder. They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda. Under their reign, Jews were prohibited from owning guns, just as they were prohibited from doing many things. And it has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen). But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts. On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out. The gun culture is right about one thing, however. Hitler really did enact a new gun law. But it was in 1938, not 1935 – well after the NAZIs already had the country in its iron grip. Furthermore, the new law in many ways LOOSENED gun restrictions. For example, it greatly expanded the numbers who were exempt, it lowered the legal age of possession from 20 to 18, and it completely lifted restriction on all guns except handguns, as well as on ammunition. Given all of this, it’s pretty hard to make a case that “gun control” played a significant role in NAZI conquest. In fact, one might well say that when gun addicts brandish Hitler as a weapon, they are unwittingly arguing against their own cause. NOTE: (1/10/13) Following the link to this post by Randi Rhodes, my readership has gone through the roof, for which I am grateful. But it means this post has been bombarded with comments, and it may take time to sort through them all. Furthermore, I may not respond to all of them. I will, however, do at least one followup to this column. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 [indent=1]There was an armed guard at the school.[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 And he coulnd't stop it? Clearly we need to start arming the students themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Armed robots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Saw Biden met today with various video game producers. Are we going back to the whole "heavy metal made my kid hang himself" nonsense? Are murders with baseball bats caused by baseball games? Did playing Donkey Kong make someone kill someone with a hammer? Again, it's about creating an illusion of action based on a scapegoat that will make people feel better but requires as little effort as possible. The fact it's being used as a springboard for censorship is particularly repellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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