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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 7 2005, 07:50 PM'][url="http://www.bushflash.com/14.html"]http://www.bushflash.com/14.html[/url]
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I have been drawing these comparisons for the past couple years...

Everyone just gives me the stink-eye when I say it though..

Keep in mind, I am not saying we ARE becoming fascist.. But it's definately something to watch..

I wonder what it was like to wake in Germany and realize, that somehow, your country had just completely lost it's mind....
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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 7 2005, 07:50 PM'][url="http://www.bushflash.com/14.html"]http://www.bushflash.com/14.html[/url]
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LOVED the MLK speech BJ..

He sends chills up my spine. And he is always spouting some deepness.
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[quote name='Bunghole' date='Jul 7 2005, 09:47 PM']Funny how people here that berate others on the board for being Christian use the words of a Christian when it suits them...
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Not really. I find it pretty typical. <_<

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Ok, let's look at the 14.

[b]1. Powerful and continuing nationalism. [/b]
So now patriotism is facism? Does anyone else think that is ludicrous?

[b]2. Disdain for recognition of human rights.[/b]
The hostages at Gitmo are treated better, and fed better than our recruits in basic training. If you want to talk about disdain for recognition of human rights, last I checked, the Democrat party has a senior member who is a former klansman.

[b]3. Enemies as scapegoats or a unifying cause[/b]
Excuse me, but the towers were destroyed, and over 3000 Americans, and people from all over the world were killed. At that time, even the Democrats came out unified. Hitler falsely identified the Jews as an enemy, and scapegoat. The attacks on the towers were REAL!

[b]4. Supremacy of the military[/b]
So having the strongest military in the world means we are fascist? Last I checked, we are not under martial law.

[b]5. Rampant sexism[/b]
Huh? Condy Rice is a female Secretary of State. And the FIRST black female Secretary of State in US history. Can ANYONE show me an example of how the Bush administration is sexist??? As I recall, it was Bill Clinton who exposed himself to a woman in Arkansas and told her to "kiss it", who raped Kathleen Willey, and had an improper relationship with an INTERN his daughters age in the Oval Office.

[b]6. Controlled mass media[/b]
[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]
Yeah, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post are in Bush's hip pocket. NOT! They showed Fox News. Fox News employs Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes and Juan Williams. Real hard line Republicans, those guys!

[b]7. Obsession with national security[/b]
[img]http://www.musarium.com/stories/magnum911/images/02meiselas.jpg[/img]
Need I say more?

[b]8. Religion and Government intertwined[/b]
Really? Has anyone read what the Supreme Court has done the past several years? What about the Left and their Secular Humanist religion?

[b]9. Corporate power protected.[/b]
Excuse me, but as I recall, Enron came down during the Bush administration.

[b]10. Labor power supressed.[/b]
Huh? Labor unions, and the Teachers unions are 2 of the most powerful Democrat special interest groups out there.

[b]11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts[/b]
Here are just a few examples of what passes for art with the federally funded NEA lately:
— Christ submerged in a jar of urine. — NEA-funded exhibit
— A female performer inserting a speculum into her vagina and inviting audience members on stage to view her cervix with a flashlight. — NEA-funded performance
— A performance of large, sexually explicit props covered with Bibles performing a wide variety of sex acts and concluding with a mass Bible-burning. — NEA-funded performance (canceled by the venue in response to citizen protests)
— A show titled "DEGENERATE WITH A CAPITAL D" featuring a display of the remains of the artist's own aborted baby. — NEA-funded exhibit
Does that sound like "art" to you? If it does, it is still receiving federal funding.

[b]12. Obsession with crime and punishment[/b]
Huh? Examples please?

[b]13. Rampant cronyism and corruption[/b]
They used Halliburton as the example. As I posted in another thread, Cheney does not own stock in Halliburton anymore.

[b]14. Fraudulent elections[/b]
Every recount of the 2000 Florida election had Bush winning. The Florida Supreme court, which is DECIDEDLY liberal overruled state law to allow the recount to continue beyond what the law called for. As several recent Supreme Court decisions have demonstrated, the court leans liberal. And it still ruled to stop the recounts. Had Al Gore won HIS OWN HOME STATE, it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Fascism started after the great depression. FDR, meaning well at the time, shifted too much power to the federal government. We have been on a downhill slope since then. If you think that another Democrat or Republican is going to save us, then you have another thing coming.
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[quote]14. Fraudulent elections
Every recount of the 2000 Florida election had Bush winning. The Florida Supreme court, which is DECIDEDLY liberal overruled state law to allow the recount to continue beyond what the law called for. As several recent Supreme Court decisions have demonstrated, the court leans liberal. And it still ruled to stop the recounts. Had Al Gore won HIS OWN HOME STATE, it wouldn't have been an issue.[/quote]

[i][color="red"]entertaining Flash about Florida <_< [/color][/i]

[url="http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html"]http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html[/url]

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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 7 2005, 09:54 PM'][i][color="red"]entertaining Flash about Florida  <_< [/color][/i]

[url="http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html"]http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html[/url]
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I said it once already, but I will say it again. Every recount gave the election to Bush. But just for sake of arguement, I'll give it to you. One down, 13 to go. Can you refute my other points?

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I guess I should have noted in my post that I don't think our countries problems have ANYTHING to do with Republicans...

I don't believe this is a partisan issue. I was referring to the culture of the country as a whole.

The thing that scares me about this administration has nothing to do with what party they are in... I am a conservative on almost all counts, and I believe this administration is radical... Not conservative.
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[quote name='Jason' date='Jul 7 2005, 07:51 PM']Ok, let's look at the 14.

[b]1.  Powerful and continuing nationalism. [/b] 
So now patriotism is facism?  Does anyone else think that is ludicrous? 

[b]2. Disdain for recognition of human rights.[/b]
The hostages at Gitmo are treated better, and fed better than our recruits in basic training.  If you want to talk about disdain for recognition of human rights, last I checked, the Democrat party has a senior member who is a former klansman.

[b]3. Enemies as scapegoats or a unifying cause[/b]
Excuse me, but the towers were destroyed, and over 3000 Americans, and people from all over the world were killed.  At that time, even the Democrats came out unified.  Hitler falsely identified the Jews as an enemy, and scapegoat.  The attacks on the towers were REAL!

[b]4. Supremacy of the military[/b]
So having the strongest military in the world means we are fascist?  Last I checked, we are not under martial law.

[b]5. Rampant sexism[/b]
Huh?  Condy Rice is a female Secretary of State.  And the FIRST black female Secretary of State in US history.  Can ANYONE show me an example of how the Bush administration is sexist???  As I recall, it was Bill Clinton who exposed himself to a woman in Arkansas and told her to "kiss it", who raped Kathleen Willey, and had an improper relationship with an INTERN his daughters age in the Oval Office.

[b]6. Controlled mass media[/b]
[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]   [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]   [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]   [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]   [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]
Yeah, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post are in Bush's hip pocket.  NOT!  They showed Fox News.  Fox News employs Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes and Juan Williams.  Real hard line Republicans, those guys!

[b]7. Obsession with national security[/b]
[img]http://www.musarium.com/stories/magnum911/images/02meiselas.jpg[/img]
Need I say more?

[b]8. Religion and Government intertwined[/b]
Really?  Has anyone read what the Supreme Court has done the past several years?  What about the Left and their Secular Humanist religion?

[b]9. Corporate power protected.[/b]
Excuse me, but as I recall, Enron came down during the Bush administration.

[b]10. Labor power supressed.[/b]
Huh?  Labor unions, and the Teachers unions are 2 of the most powerful Democrat special interest groups out there.

[b]11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts[/b]
Here are just a few examples of what passes for art with the federally funded NEA lately:
— Christ submerged in a jar of urine. — NEA-funded exhibit
— A female performer inserting a speculum into her vagina and inviting audience members on stage to view her cervix with a flashlight. — NEA-funded performance
— A performance of large, sexually explicit props covered with Bibles performing a wide variety of sex acts and concluding with a mass Bible-burning. — NEA-funded performance (canceled by the venue in response to citizen protests)
— A show titled "DEGENERATE WITH A CAPITAL D" featuring a display of the remains of the artist's own aborted baby. — NEA-funded exhibit
Does that sound like "art" to you?  If it does, it is still receiving federal funding.

[b]12. Obsession with crime and punishment[/b]
Huh?  Examples please?

[b]13. Rampant cronyism and corruption[/b]
They used Halliburton as the example.  As I posted in another thread, Cheney does not own stock in Halliburton anymore. 

[b]14. Fraudulent elections[/b]
Every recount of the 2000 Florida election had Bush winning.  The Florida Supreme court, which is DECIDEDLY liberal overruled state law to allow the recount to continue beyond what the law called for.  As several recent Supreme Court decisions have demonstrated, the court leans liberal.  And it still ruled to stop the recounts.  Had Al Gore won HIS OWN HOME STATE, it wouldn't have been an issue.
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That was an excellent and thought out post...bet you did well on your dissertation... ;)
I couldn't agree more with anything you stated in that reply. There is nothing I can add to that.
^_^

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[quote name='Bunghole' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:24 AM']That was an excellent and thought out post...bet you did well on your dissertation... ;)
I couldn't agree more with anything you stated in that reply.  There is nothing I can add to that.
^_^
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I found lots to pick apart in this post... As well as BJ's

It is full of opinion, misrepresentation and rhetoric...


sigh.. I lack the energy. Fuck it.

Now I remember why I avoided this section of the message board like the plague...

I will extricate myself and return to my normal Modus Operandi.

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[quote name='Lucid' date='Jul 8 2005, 12:33 AM']I found lots to pick apart in this post... As well as BJ's

It is full of opinion, misrepresentation and rhetoric...
sigh.. I lack the energy. Fuck it.
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But it is a sane representation of the way many Bush voters, such as myself, feel about the state of the country...
I align myself with no party...my idealistic streak always comes back to political reform on a global scale...then I realize that it is impossible...
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Now for the other 13.......


[quote]1. Powerful and continuing nationalism.
So now patriotism is facism?  Does anyone else think that is ludicrous? [/quote]

If you look at all fascist movements they all were done under the guise of Nationalism... see Germany and Italy pre WorldWarII. There is a fine line between flags everywhere, parades, and propaganda.... and Fox News Fascism. Hitler also said "you are either with us or against us".


[quote]2. Disdain for recognition of human rights.
The hostages at Gitmo are treated better, and fed better than our recruits in basic training. If you want to talk about disdain for recognition of human rights, last I checked, the Democrat party has a senior member who is a former klansman.[/quote]

Talk about a red Herring with no relevance.... sure that old fuck on the senate was a Klansmen... back when the entire senate was vetoing lynching legislation and Republican Strom Thruman was screwing his black maid and not claiming her kid. Bush doesn't understand Human rights... he has shreded the Geneva convention, indiscrinatley bombed a soveriegn nation (iraq) and supported many of his allies to do the same (Putin in Chechnya and his carpet bombing)


[quote]3. Enemies as scapegoats or a unifying cause
Excuse me, but the towers were destroyed, and over 3000 Americans, and people from all over the world were killed. At that time, even the Democrats came out unified. Hitler falsely identified the Jews as an enemy, and scapegoat. The attacks on the towers were REAL![/quote]

Hitler also said... "excuse me, thousands of Germans were starved because of the dirty Jew, and the reparations on us after WWI. And Bush falsely identified Iraq as our 9/11 enemy and not Al Qaeda.



[quote]4. Supremacy of the military
So having the strongest military in the world means we are fascist? Last I checked, we are not under martial law.[/quote]

He doesn't mean overall strength... he means in your own society. So many things are about support the troops, join the cause, protect the homeland, commercials, parades, ads, etc etc etc and God forbid if you say that the miltary is fucking up = (he hates the troops [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img] )


[quote]5. Rampant sexism
Huh? Condy Rice is a female Secretary of State. And the FIRST black female Secretary of State in US history. Can ANYONE show me an example of how the Bush administration is sexist??? As I recall, it was Bill Clinton who exposed himself to a woman in Arkansas and told her to "kiss it", who raped Kathleen Willey, and had an improper relationship with an INTERN his daughters age in the Oval Office.[/quote]

The classic Clinton showed his Penis argument again... So fucking what, Bush invaded another nation and killed over 50,000 People.... that to me outwieghs spraying cum on some fat chick in a berets face. As for Condi she is a multi layered Token.... Putting one gap toothed lying black chick on your cabinet who plays lap dog is not equivalent to womans rights.


[quote]6. Controlled mass media
    
Yeah, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post are in Bush's hip pocket. NOT! They showed Fox News. Fox News employs Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes and Juan Williams. Real hard line Republicans, those guys![/quote]

If the Media was not controlled then they would be telling the citizens real History, and real news. They would have men like Noam Chomsky on the nightly news to provide their opinions as well. The networks are about $ and they know that the truth wouldn;t sell and be painted as traitorous.... Americans don;t like hearing that they are murderers... I'm sorry liberators that send people to heaven quicker <_<



[quote]7. Obsession with national security[/quote]

Bush ran on it, and has made it his primary focus... from color codes, to duck tape for our nuclear holocaust.... obsession doesn't imply that some of it is not justified or not, but you can't argue he isn't obsessed with it


[quote]8. Religion and Government intertwined
Really? Has anyone read what the Supreme Court has done the past several years? What about the Left and their Secular Humanist religion?[/quote]

Bush has the Christian right giving him a fucking reach around.... He quotes the bible all the time, and uses it to hide the fact that he was a drunk ass coke monkey .... (he found christ my ass).... Churches in the South are the reason Bush was reelected and their stupid ass bible that got them to go vote against gay marriage amendments


[quote]9. Corporate power protected.
Excuse me, but as I recall, Enron came down during the Bush administration.[/quote]

Bush didn;t bring down Enron... if anything he proped it up long enough for the main people on top to smuggle their cash out.... this is the most corporate crony white house since Hoover....
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[quote]10. Labor power supressed.
Huh? Labor unions, and the Teachers unions are 2 of the most powerful Democrat special interest groups out there.[/quote]

Teachers are not part of Labor ...... and Labor unions are waving as their jobs sail off to India


[quote]11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
Here are just a few examples of what passes for art with the federally funded NEA lately:[/quote]

it is up for local museums to designate what art is .... not the government.... I would love to see a stack of burning bibles

[quote]12. Obsession with crime and punishment
Huh? Examples please?[/quote]
Bush has overseen more executions as Governor than any Governor in history



[quote]13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
They used Halliburton as the example. As I posted in another thread, Cheney does not own stock in Halliburton anymore.[/quote]

He doesn;t need to own the stock... they are holding his cash till he gets down as VP and then they will hire him as a so called consultant... and give him all the kickbacks he is earning right now.
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1. there is a difference between nationalism, and extreme nationalism
2. nothing to argue about, but wrong (twisting the facts, dont feel like writing for half an hour explaining myself)
3. in every war the enemies are used as scapegoats and a unifying cause, obviously this is fucktarded
4. there is a difference between supporting our nations children who are risking their lives in a voluntary service military and using the military to run the country...
5. obviously non-existant
6. the only people that control the media are the people who subscribe to their specific forms, genocide in africa does not sell papers or entertain viewers... that is the extent of this argument... now as for fox news... thats a separate issue all together
7. so-fucking-what
8. so this applies to the us because bush is a christian and voted against legally allowing guys to fuck each other in the asshole without a reach-around?
9. i agree
10. i agree
11. this is irrelevant
12. this is also irrelevant, you break a law you are punished, its a new thing our "fascist" govt is trying out, i think its only been around for around 5 years or so but crime and punishment seem to do the job to at least some extent
13. cronyism exists everywhere... corruption exists and is widespread to an extent, however, it is not "rampant"
14. not fraudulent but damn near close enough
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[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Now for the other 13.......
If you look at all fascist movements they all were done under the guise of Nationalism... see Germany and Italy pre WorldWarII.  There is a fine line between flags everywhere, parades, and propaganda.... and Fox News Fascism.  Hitler also said "you are either with us or against us".
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And a lot of nations were very patriotic and never became fascist. Every square has 4 sides, but not everything with 4 sides is a square.

[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Talk about a red Herring with no relevance.... sure that old fuck on the senate was a Klansmen... back when the entire senate was vetoing lynching legislation and Republican Strom Thruman was screwing his black maid and not claiming her kid.  Bush doesn't understand Human rights... he has shreded the Geneva convention, indiscrinatley bombed a soveriegn nation (iraq) and supported many of his allies to do the same (Putin in Chechnya and his carpet bombing)
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He bombed Iraq because it violated the terms of the tresty Saddam signed to end the Gulf War. Bush simply enforced UN resolutions when the UN wouldn't. And every alleged rights violation has been investigated, and when violations have been found there have been court martials.

[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Hitler also said... "excuse me, thousands of Germans were starved because of the dirty Jew, and the reparations on us after WWI.  And Bush falsely identified Iraq as our 9/11 enemy and not Al Qaeda.
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Bush never identified Iraq as a 9-11 enemy. Bush went into Iraq because Iraq violated the peace treaty they signed, and [b]17[/b] UN resolutions!


[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']He doesn't mean overall strength... he means in your own society.  So many things are about support the troops, join the cause, protect the homeland, commercials, parades, ads, etc etc etc and God forbid if you say that the miltary is fucking up = (he hates the troops  [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img] )
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No, he didn't mean overall military strength, but EVERY image of the US military in that clip was overseas. I haven't seen any tanks driving down mainstreet. Why is it wrong to support the troops? And plenty of people have said the military is screwing up, but I don't know anyone who went to jail for it.

[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']The classic Clinton showed his Penis argument again... So fucking what, Bush invaded another nation and killed over 50,000 People.... that to me outwieghs spraying cum on some fat chick in a berets face.  As for Condi she is a multi layered Token.... Putting one gap toothed lying black chick on your cabinet who plays lap dog is not equivalent to womans rights.
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Bush also took Saddam (a real facist, by the way) out of power who had killed even more of his own people. My point about Clinton was he did more to violate women's rights than Bush has.


[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']If the Media was not controlled then they would be telling the citizens real History, and real news.  They would have men like Noam Chomsky on the nightly news to provide their opinions as well.  The networks are about $ [b]and they know that the truth wouldn;t sell[/b] and be painted as traitorous.... Americans don;t like hearing that they are murderers... I'm sorry liberators that send people to heaven quicker <_<
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Which is why they lie about Bush. Remember Rather and that fake memo? The government does not control the media.


[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Bush ran on it, and has made it his primary focus... from color codes, to duck tape for our nuclear holocaust.... obsession doesn't imply that some of it is not justified or not, but you can't argue he isn't obsessed with it
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Three thousand innocent civilians died in 1 day. I think he has a reason to be concerned. I wouldn't say he is obsessed. He hasn't interned arabs by the 10s of thousands the way FDR did.

[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Bush has the Christian right giving him a fucking reach around.... He quotes the bible all the time, and uses it to hide the fact that he was a drunk ass coke monkey .... (he found christ my ass).... Churches in the South are the reason Bush was reelected and their stupid ass bible that got them to go vote against gay marriage amendments
[right][post="111989"][/post][/right][/quote]

What, so Christians are not allowed to vote, or run for office? That sounds like fascism to me.


[quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 8 2005, 02:52 AM']Bush didn;t bring down Enron... if anything he proped it up long enough for the main people on top to smuggle their cash out.... this is the most corporate crony white house since Hoover....
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I didn't say Bush brought Enron down, Isaid it came down on his watch. How did he prop it up?? Can you cite a specific example of how he did?

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