Go Skins Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Jamie knows this from living here for a long time, but this anchor has been working for NBC in Washington, DC for over 30 years and is a legend here. Via dcrtv.com: [b][color="#0000ff"]Vance: "Redskins" Name "Sucks"[/color][/b] - 2/11 - [img]http://www.fuzface.com/dcrtv/vance.jpg[/img]Longtime Channel 4/WRC news anchor Jim Vance went "nuclear" on the Redskins nickname on Friday's newscast. He said: "Back in the day, if you really wanted to insult a black man, attack a Jew, an Irishman, and probably start a fight, you threw out certain words. You know what they are. They were, and they are, pejoratives of the first order, the worst order, specifically intended to injure. In my view, 'Redskin' was and is in that same category. The name sucks. We need to get rid of it." More at [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/02/11/jim-vance-on-the-vulgar-redskins-nam/"]washingtonpost.com[/url]..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Hey, Jim. The 90s called. It wants it's pretentious outrage back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1360677931' post='1214037'] Hey, Jim. The 90s called. It wants it's pretentious outrage back. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I saw Florio beat this drum the other day as well. I searched around then, because it ticked me off having all of these non-Native Americans boldly declaring how awful Native Americans find the name. As near as I can tell, it's a vocal minority (no pun intended). One poll of Native Americans had 90% thinking the name was fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 American Indians are more concerned with living under crushing poverty, crushing unemployment, rampant alcoholism and a median male life expectancy on the reservation of 36 (might have improved but that's what it was a few years back) than with the name of a sports team. Dude needs to make a visit to Pine Ridge and see what really matters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 He's probably only been to Mohegan Sun. Seriously though, driving through the desert southwest for the first time a few years ago was eye opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 It's not like multiple problems can't be tackled at once. Try to fix all that other real problem shit too, but if you can fix this low hanging fruit problem, fix it. He's got a legit point, just because it's a small point don't mean it isn't valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 [quote name='sois' timestamp='1360688317' post='1214064'] It's not like multiple problems can't be tackled at once. Try to fix all that other real problem shit too, but if you can fix this low hanging fruit problem, fix it. He's got a legit point, just because it's a small point don't mean it isn't valid. [/quote] But is it valid? Since when was it a white man's, black man's, Hispanic's job to tell a Native American that he's to be offended. If polls show they're not offended then his point has no validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 But is it valid? Since when was it a white man's, black man's, Hispanic's job to tell a Native American that he's to be offended. If polls show they're not offended then his point has no validity. I did a quick google and found polls supporting both sides. With that kind of skew, you have to make a judgement call. Is it right or not? Another problem with this is that there isn't a huge magnitude of rage because there aren't that many native americans around. We are talking about 0.9% of the population. Is it ok to do this shit because there aren't that many of them around? They also don't have a big enough voice. There isn't an Indian Al Sharpton causing a fuss over every little slight. At the end of the day, is it right or wrong? Yellowskin wouldn't fly. Blackskin would cause riots. Just because I'm not Indian doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. That's a weak ass bystander theory. It's not a big deal, there are more important things out there, but this is an easy fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 If Miami can do it, DC can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 If Miami can do it, DC can. That's still a debated topic with the Miami grads I know. Most of them covet their Redskins gear, and thought the name change was more about publicity than addressing any concerns that had actually been raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Where is our resident 1/3rd native american to put down a ruling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 That's still a debated topic with the Miami grads I know. Most of them covet their Redskins gear, and thought the name change was more about publicity than addressing any concerns that had actually been raised. I attended grad school there and started shortly after the name change. Yes, big jen era and yes, being a grad student is different than being an undergrad. I'm sure the "Redskins Forever" bumper stickers are still driving around town and I'm sure plenty of people are still butthurt. But it was indeed better for Miami's image despite the pains, and the butthurt will fade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Being morally superior loses some of it's luster when labeling others as butthurt. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I'd be butthurt if the Bengals decided to change their name to something else. -- for no other reason than I simply like the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 He's probably only been to Mohegan Sun. Seriously though, driving through the desert southwest for the first time a few years ago was eye opening. Should've seen it before the casinos started popping up. Or, y'know, before white people found gold there & stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The should change their name to the Foreskins. Or maybe the Bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The should change their name to the Foreskins. Or maybe the Bullets. That first one would kill their Jewish fanbase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 That's still a debated topic with the Miami grads I know. Most of them covet their Redskins gear, and thought the name change was more about publicity than addressing any concerns that had actually been raised.  True  I was there at the time and remember the entire fiasco. Most of the faculty, staff, leadership, alumni and students were opposed to making a change - it was a politically-correct vocal minority that kept playing the race card. Once they managed to whip the media into a frenzy, the school had to step in and address the matter so as to avoid having the school get a black eye. After a lot of debates - most of which were conducted via the media rather than face-to-face - someone brilliantly suggested that the school contact the Miami Tribe in Oklahoma (for whom the school AND the mascot were named) to see what they thought.  The Tribe thought the mascot was fine. IIRC, they asked that it remain exactly as is becuase it was a tangible link to their own past and it helped the Tribe remain relevant. They feared that if the name were removed, memory of the Miami would soon fade and would irrevokably be lost.  Team PC didn't like that response (natch) because those types of people always know what's best for others, so they pressed the issue. When the media began to help them with the racist angle, the school had to escalate their response. They polled everybody - faculty, alumni, the Tribe, the student body - to come up with a replacement name. The winner was:  Miami "Red Skins" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Thanks guys. Every now and then I need a little reminder as to why I left Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Thanks guys. Every now and then I need a little reminder as to why I left Cincy. You left Cincinnati because reasonably bright people from all over the country debated the merits of a DC anchor's crusade on a Bengals message board? You must live in a land where everyone on the internet is from the same place, and shares your opinion... That must be totally sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Thanks guys. Every now and then I need a little reminder as to why I left Cincy. You left? I don't think anyone noticed you even when you were here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Washington is also the town that decided to change the name of the basketball team from the Washington Bullets, citing increased gang violence and shooting deaths in the District and the "fact" that the team name apparently encouraged such behavior. They're now called the Washington Wizards. By the logic preceding the name change, shouldn't we have seen an increase in the dark arts and alchemy in the District? I mean, if the name of a sports team dictates the behavior of idiot gang-banging thugs, then shouldn't this new moniker be just as responsible? Or if not, hey, waitaminute, is it possible that people's behavior is due THEIR OWN POOR CHOICES and not the seven characters scrawled across the chest of a home town professional athlete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Washington is also the town that decided to change the name of the basketball team from the Washington Bullets, citing increased gang violence and shooting deaths in the District and the "fact" that the team name apparently encouraged such behavior. They're now called the Washington Wizards. By the logic preceding the name change, shouldn't we have seen an increase in the dark arts and alchemy in the District? I mean, if the name of a sports team dictates the behavior of idiot gang-banging thugs, then shouldn't this new moniker be just as responsible? Or if not, hey, waitaminute, is it possible that people's behavior is due THEIR OWN POOR CHOICES and not the seven characters scrawled across the chest of a home town professional athlete? Harry Potter did not exist before the name change. Suck it, muggle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Washington is also the town that decided to change the name of the basketball team from the Washington Bullets, citing increased gang violence and shooting deaths in the District and the "fact" that the team name apparently encouraged such behavior. They're now called the Washington Wizards. By the logic preceding the name change, shouldn't we have seen an increase in the dark arts and alchemy in the District? I mean, if the name of a sports team dictates the behavior of idiot gang-banging thugs, then shouldn't this new moniker be just as responsible? Or if not, hey, waitaminute, is it possible that people's behavior is due THEIR OWN POOR CHOICES and not the seven characters scrawled across the chest of a home town professional athlete? Ever since moving to Cincinnati I've had inexplicable urges to work on a collective farm and shit in boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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