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Guest BlackJesus Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 [color="blue"][i][b]I would like to hear why some feel we are winning.... not to be a smartass, but I would like to know what rationale you are using..... everyone knows my rationale already why I think we "create" terroists [/b][/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Not only are we winning, we slammed dunked em! Not one attack in 4 years on our soil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 [quote]Not only are we winning, we slammed dunked em! Not one attack in 4 years on our soil![/quote] [i][b]Not sure if this is tongue and cheek or genuine... if it is I would add that - Why would someone bent on attacking a us Citizen even bother to attempt to travel to the U.S. to attack Americans when he has an unguarded border of Iraq with over a hundred thousand sitting ducks with inadequate body armor sitting next door in Iraq. When you view it this way you see that we are attacked every day and have lost over 1,500 Americans with over 15,000 wounded by "Terrorists". Hardly a Slam dunk. [/b][/i] [color="green"][i][b]- Terrorist enrollment is also up, and we keep providing great material for recruitment - Furthermore Bush has pissed off most the world that we need to help us find future terrorists. When the Next attack occurs on American soil (which it will).... I fear that the world really won't care that much, and many foriegners will view it as deserved retribution. [/b][/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Carson Show Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 9 2005, 04:44 PM'][i][b]Not sure if this is tongue and cheek or genuine... if it is I would add that - Why would someone bent on attacking a us Citizen even bother to attempt to travel to the U.S. to attack Americans when he has an unguarded border of Iraq with over a hundred thousand sitting ducks with inadequate body armor sitting next door in Iraq. When you view it this way you see that we are attacked every day and have lost over 1,500 Americans with over 15,000 wounded by "Terrorists". Hardly a Slam dunk. [/b][/i] [color="green"][i][b]- Terrorist enrollment is also up, and we keep providing great material for recruitment - Furthermore Bush has pissed off most the world that we need to help us find future terrorists. When the Next attack occurs on American soil (which it will).... I fear that the world really won't care that much, and many foriegners will view it as deserved retribution. [/b][/i][/color] [right][post="112644"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] so you dont think there are terrorist cells already in the US BS there is al queda in america and im sure we have thwarted some smaller scale attacks WE ARE winning the war on terrorism but i know that ainother terrorist attack is imminent but we are doing the best things we can do only area lacking is increasing the publics knowledge in what to do in the next attack because the next attack on us soil is going to be the mass transit system they wont hijack a plane cuz they know the passengers will fight back i read somewhere that if you use mass transit to travel to work you should carry a bottle of H20, a face cloth towel, and a flashlight in an event of a bomb on subway wet the towel with the water and hold over your face to breathe also we have lost 1500 americans in the war but without the war on terror we would have twice as many us citizens on us soil killed by terrorist attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Isnt that like asking if we are winning the War on Drugs, or the War on Povery(aka war on cleveland). I swear if you want something to fail, just declare war on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 then lets decleare war on hot and slutty naked chicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I didn't vote beacuse I felt the options were to narrow. Right now, it is really hard to say, since we are really fighting an ideology and not a military force. How do you defeat an ideology?? History has shown repeatedly that violence alone has never worked. Of course we should continue to kill and capture terrorists. We must after all defend ourselves against those who have already decided on this course of action.. But in order to truly win the war on terror we must kill the ideology, just focusing on killing the terrorists will simply lead us down a path of never-ending war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Carson Show Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 [quote name='Lucid' date='Jul 9 2005, 07:40 PM']I didn't vote beacuse I felt the options were to narrow. Right now, it is really hard to say, since we are really fighting an ideology and not a military force. How do you defeat an ideology?? History has shown repeatedly that violence alone has never worked. Of course we should continue to kill and capture terrorists. We must after all defend ourselves against those who have already decided on this course of action.. But in order to truly win the war on terror we must kill the ideology, just focusing on killing the terrorists will simply lead us down a path of never-ending war. [right][post="112690"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] true , very true good point lucid the only way to win the war on terror is to blow up the entire middle east which wont happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote]the only way to win the war on terror is to blow up the entire middle east which wont happen[/quote] [color="red"][i][b]No... the only way to win the war on Terror is to examine the motivations of the "terrorists" and see which of their demands are reasonable and which ones are not (insane jihad crazy shit). Demanding that no US troops be stationed in Saudi Arabia the holy land of Islam is reasonable and the US can live with that and mostly have pulled out. Demanding that the US stop invading Middle eastern countries and let them internally decide their own destiny and whether they want democracy is also reasonable... The terrorists being angry at the fact that there is not a state of Palestine is very reasonable and the injustices enacted on the Palestinians is a disgrace to all mankind. If bush would quit getting facials by Sharon' and demand the creation of a seperate palestinian state and put the $ up to make it a possibility then a huge recruiting tool for the terrorists would be gone... and it would be amazing how many madrases and terror squads then no longer have a drive to continue fighting. I subscribe to the belief that all these men desire a good life a family and most of them want peace. However if you corner someone into a hopeless situation where the only thing they have is eternal salvavtion through martyrdom against what they percieve to be an evil invader then of course you will get suicide bombers. Muslims did not create Suicide bombing the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka did and also were using as a form of national liberation that continues today. This Good vs Evil bullshit however will only lead to continue destruction, death, and the real winners won't be any of us.... it will be the fat cat fuckers who are CEO's of the contracting companies sitting on their bermuda beach house collecting interest on their stock payouts while middle and lower class noble american boys get shot the fuck up without proper body armor. [/b][/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 We have troops in Saudi Arabia, the holiest of all lands in the Muslim World, at the behest of the Saudi government. So the terrorists know this, and want to attack their "holiest of lands" as well... Good strategy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Claptonrocks Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Good vs Evil....makes me laugh sometimes... We go over there and try and change them to democracy...why? Its their land....Let them do with it as they wish.. Allways have to be stirring up hornets nests for the sake of democracy. Never learn ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 9 2005, 12:19 AM'][color="blue"][i][b]I would like to hear why some feel we are winning.... not to be a smartass, but I would like to know what rationale you are using..... everyone knows my rationale already why I think we "create" terroists [/b][/i][/color] [right][post="112429"][/post][/right][/quote] see my post in the "leaked confidential memo" thread... you are pissed here b/c we're there (though you supported the war before we went in... then changed b/c we didn't create a seperate state for the kurds... which could have easily riled up the middle east) and now, after you saw how we are planning to pullout in the future, you are saying bush is lying and implying that pulling out will cause a civil war... how can we win w/ you bj? there are so many things, throughout this thread to reply to... first off, my rational for us winning the war on terror is easy... we don't measure by how many we catch, how many soldiers are killed... quite simply, if they vote, create a constitution, and then vote again in december, we are winning... we win the war when they are a booming economy and a blueprint for the rest of the middle east (hopefully the dominoes i talk about, keep falling)... this doesn't mean we need to go into a bunch of countries militarily btw... i don't understand your point about palestine... we weren't going to create a state of palestine w/ arafat at the helm (think about how you bitch about saddam and the US 30 years ago, and then that explains why we wouldn't support that fuck)... now that he is out of the picture, we have been working very hard to get them their own state... the israelis are slowly pulling out of the gaza strip (the first step) and sharon is doing that w/out the support of the rest of israel... there hasn't been a chance like this, since israel was created... this point makes no sense to me, at this point... clapton... why do we want them to be a democracy?? you can't be serious... how about simply looking at the alternative... being oppressed... democracy is also an ideology, b/c all it means is you have the freedom to do what you want w/ your country... if the people vote, and vote in a facist, then we have to deal w/ it, b/c it is their choice... there is no choice when it comes to absolute monarchies and similar gov't systems... so your suggestion would be to not fight offensively... only defensively... that is what makes me laugh... that is, until your side wins, and then it will scare the fuck out of me... [i]But in order to truly win the war on terror we must kill the ideology, just focusing on killing the terrorists will simply lead us down a path of never-ending war.[/i] lucid great post lucid... here is another reason that i think we are winning... it isn't two religions clashing here... it is two ideologies fighting... democracy (freedom) is our side, and we are fighting against the exact opposite... their ideology teaches to kill innocents that don't agree w/ you... i don't see a chance of their ideology winning... over time, people will pick the freedom to do what they want imo... but we must fight smart and strong, and not just strong... we won't win by killing all the terrorists, b/c the more we kill, the more they can recruit... that is why it is a long war, though hopefully it won't be the kind of war we are fighting now, for too much longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 9 2005, 09:44 PM'][i][b]Not sure if this is tongue and cheek or genuine... if it is I would add that - Why would someone bent on attacking a us Citizen even bother to attempt to travel to the U.S. to attack Americans when he has an unguarded border of Iraq with over a hundred thousand sitting ducks with inadequate body armor sitting next door in Iraq. When you view it this way you see that we are attacked every day and have lost over 1,500 Americans with over 15,000 wounded by "Terrorists". Hardly a Slam dunk. [/b][/i] [color="green"][i][b]- Terrorist enrollment is also up, and we keep providing great material for recruitment - Furthermore Bush has pissed off most the world that we need to help us find future terrorists. When the Next attack occurs on American soil (which it will).... I fear that the world really won't care that much, and many foriegners will view it as deserved retribution. [/b][/i][/color] [right][post="112644"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] The reason we were attacked in the first place was to induce fear to the normal everyday citizens, attacking tropps in Iraq doesn't induce fear here in the US. I go to the grocery, to work, to the movies and everywhere without fear of a terrorist attack! We are winning! And you are afraid of what the world thinks about us? fuck the world, they don't feed us, clothe us, or house us! they have always hated us unless they needed something from us so of course they will sit back and enjoy if we get attacked but we can't worry what they think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='Storm' date='Jul 10 2005, 12:42 PM']they don't feed us, clothe us, or house us! [right][post="112890"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] And our trade deficit is composed of...what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote]you are pissed here b/c we're there (though you supported the war before we went in... then changed b/c we didn't create a seperate state for the kurds...which could have easily riled up the middle east)[/quote] [i][b]No.... I am pissed because we are [u]still[/u] there , and I supported the War [u]only[/u] under the premise that we would create a seperate Kurdish state, which like Bushs so called "democracy" would have riled up the Middle East. Why all of the sudden are you worried about what the Middle East thinks... they have already seen us shoving objects up their mens asses and stacking them naked... litle too late for Public relations [/b][/i] [quote]and now, after you saw how we are planning to pullout in the future, you are saying bush is lying and implying that pulling out will cause a civil war... how can we win w/ you bj?[/quote] [i][b]It is no suprise that Bush is a Liar (see last 5 years) .... I am not mad that a civil war will be ensued, I am glad. It is inevitable, there are really 3 countries there that have existed with homogeneous populations for thousands of years, with sperate languages, customs, traditions, etc not 1, and their natural course after getting a small taste of "democracy" will be to desire to seperate. However this will cause a shit storm, because The Kurds in the North will then be able to control their oil profits that now get sucked down to the capital and they never see the spoils. This will also cause Turkey concern for fear that their Kurdish population will want to join this new Kurdish state in N iraq. The Shiites in the south will most likely Align with Iran, who will also be worried about their Kurdish population claiming independence and so their will be civil war there as well. Then the Sunnis in the middle of the country will be without Oil since it is in the N and S of the country. They will then allign themselves with Syria to fight the other two. In the end you have a shit storm full fledged civil war with the US unsure which sida to back and sell arms too, so we will probably sell to all of them (see Iran iraq war, contras)[/b][/i] [quote]we win the war when they are a booming economy and a blueprint for the rest of the middle east (hopefully the dominoes i talk about, keep falling)... this doesn't mean we need to go into a bunch of countries militarily btw...[/quote] [i][b]The same dominoe theory that we foolishly employed and tried to prevent in Vietnam... Why does the US feel that we are the only kid playing with the Dominoes and we can knock them down how we want?[/b][/i] [quote]i don't understand your point about palestine... we weren't going to create a state of palestine w/ arafat at the helm (think about how you bitch about saddam and the US 30 years ago, and then that explains why we wouldn't support that fuck)... now that he is out of the picture, we have been working very hard to get them their own state... the israelis are slowly pulling out of the gaza strip (the first step) and sharon is doing that w/out the support of the rest of israel... there hasn't been a chance like this, since israel was created... this point makes no sense to me, at this point...[/quote] [i][b] We missed an oppurtunity to create a Palestinian state with the only leader who had the trust, and support of the Palestinian population to keep it together. Regardless if you think Arafat was a terrorist he was the Palestinian Geroge washington, Abe Lincol all rolled up into one. He was the only one that had built up support from a miltant fractured population and it took decades to build that "political capital" as retard W would say. Now ehen we put in the US puppet it will fail. Also Israel is not pulling out, they are continually building more. One of my visiting professors is Israeli lives in a Kabootz in Gaza and talks all the time about how the settlements are only growing and will not stop.[/b][/i] [quote]clapton... why do we want them to be a democracy?? you can't be serious... how about simply looking at the alternative... being oppressed... democracy is also an ideology, b/c all it means is you have the freedom to do what you want w/ your country...[/quote] [i][b]To a devout Muslim the goal is not for freedoms as you call them (free to wear what clothing you want, watch porn movies, go to shppping malls, etc ) they see these as abominations to Allah. You have to understand that you have been aculturated to find your idea of "freedom" desireable. The same way you view their form of islamic thoecracy, is the way they view W's idea of freedom. [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Claptonrocks Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I was raised in a democracy and it works for me... If I were a Muslim Id have other ideas about how democracy can corrupt a nation.....] Ill say it again.... We like to think we wear the white hats all the time...the world has other ideas and they may not allways be wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Jul 10 2005, 04:32 PM'][i][b]Why all of the sudden are you worried about what the Middle East thinks... they have already seen us shoving objects up their mens asses and stacking them naked... litle too late for Public relations [/b][/i][/quote] umm, i hope you weren't serious about the "since when are you worried about what the middle east thinks"... there is a difference between the guys that have guns and ill will, and the citizens that are in the middle east... please don't generalize this, especially implying that i don't give a fuck about what they want... you may want to describe me as a war mongering psycho, but i am not... i don't want war at all.. there is nothing good about war, except the POTENTIAL victory... that is why there has to be extraordinary reasons to go to war... you also want to make a point of making us out to be occupyiers, and i also call bullshit on that... our plan from the start was to train the iraqis to do it there self... clapton, i can see your point, but answer this for me... what "successes" can dictators point to, any where in history? democracy can point to many successes... educating these people should take care of much of the problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 BJ, I'd doubt the Shia Iraqi's would join Iran. There's a big split between "Arabs" and "Persians" From historical times when Nader Shah basically put that entire region to sword, and was particularly vicious against the Arabs. Even though they're both Shia, they wouldn't join, languages aren't the same, culture is different. etc. I agree with the call on the Kurds though. The Turks are probably shitting their pants. The fact that the European Court of Human Rights ordered the re-trial of Abduallh Ocalan has angered a lot of Turks. And they will probably have to have a re-trial as they are applying to become a full member of the EU later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='Claptonrocks' date='Jul 10 2005, 03:19 AM']Good vs Evil....makes me laugh sometimes... We go over there and try and change them to democracy...why? Its their land....Let them do with it as they wish.. Allways have to be stirring up hornets nests for the sake of democracy. Never learn ... [right][post="112842"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I agree. If they don't want democracy, then leave them the fuck alone. Who are we to say that democracy is better than whatever form of government they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='BadassBengal' date='Jul 11 2005, 02:12 PM']I agree. If they don't want democracy, then leave them the fuck alone. Who are we to say that democracy is better than whatever form of government they have? [right][post="113152"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] democracy = choice absolute monarchy (or similar) = one man in charge... you have no choice... you guys don't get it... the question isn't whether or not they will grasp democracy... the question is should we give them a choice... if you think that we should let the crazy tyrants run the countries w/ us sitting on our hands, then your misguided... the only reason, is b/c their gov't teach them to hate us and kill us... the citizens have no chance to have disenting views, b/c those guys are dead... if we "leave them alone", do you think they will leave us alone... yeah right... we aren't forcing democracy on them... we are giving them the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want w/ it... granted, if they elected a guy from al qaeda into office in iraq, we stop helping them and we lose the war... but that is a risk you take when you give people the choice to do what they want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote]we aren't forcing democracy on them... we are giving them the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want w/ it... granted, if they elected a guy from al qaeda into office in iraq, we stop helping them and we lose the war... but that is a risk you take when you give people the choice to do what they want...[/quote] [i][b]Wrong... if they elected an Al Qaeda member into office we would invade them and give him a 48 hour ultamatum like we did Saddam. The US only allows democracy and voting when they choose what the US wants. Vietnam was overwhelming communist and the Us Invaded instead. Cuba is and was overwhelming in favor of the revolution and the US attempted to invade and change the govt. in 1953 .... President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán headed a left-populist government in Guatemala, through various reforms, particularly land reform, was attempting to bring about a social revolution. The CIA in 1954 overthrew this government and invaded ..... Hell that is what created "Che" as we know him, because he was a medical student there and after the invasion realized that America was puppeting most of South America. American CIA also killed the democratically elected leader in the Congo.... You see that whool on your face.... time to remove it [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Look how well the "eye for an eye" strategy has worked for Isreal. They are experiencing lasting peace (sarcasm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 [quote name='Beaker' date='Jul 11 2005, 08:53 PM']Look how well the "eye for an eye" strategy has worked for Isreal. They are experiencing lasting peace (sarcasm). [right][post="113199"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] When was the last time Isreal suffered a suicide bomb attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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