Khatmandude Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Go-Bengals' version of McShay and Kiper are having words.........I LIKE IT! It shows their unapologetic about the evaluations of the players they have done and will stick to their guns. Only one will be proven right, find out WHO!!!!.....on draft day! April 26!!! Watch it LIVE.....for only $49.95. Checks payable to "That Khatmandude dude from Go-Bengals". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 do you all realize that under the new CBA it doesn't matter what position you pick at number 2? you pay for the slot, not the position. whoever you chose gets the same money whether it's a QB, DT, LT or LG. so knowing that, why does it matter? find me a draft board right now that doesn't list Warmack as a top 5 talent. it was like that under the old CBA too. And draft board and mock draft are two wildly different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 it was like that under the old CBA too. no, you're absolutely wrong on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 no, you're absolutely wrong on that. That is sorta how it was, just the numbers were WAY bigger early on due to stupidity. It wasn't an organized slotting, more like collusion by the agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 no, you're absolutely wrong on that. except not. Under the old CBA players were slotted by the picks around them and what that pick got the previous year. It didn't have anything to do with what position they played. The new CBA does the same thing, the costs were just slashed by more than half. Basically, they reset the system as far as what first rounders make, and I believe they've put restrictions in place to limit inflation from year to year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Guard just isn't a highly valued position to take top 5 IMO. You can get a quality guard in any round of the draft. They could get Pugh or Warford in round 2 and it wouldn't be a huge drop off in talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Guard just isn't a highly valued position to take top 5 IMO. You can get a quality guard in any round of the draft. They could get Pugh or Warford in round 2 and it wouldn't be a huge drop off in talent. Realistically, I think they'll take LT Eric Fisher, move Monroe to RT, and move their RT in to one of the guard spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 except not. Under the old CBA players were slotted by the picks around them and what that pick got the previous year. It didn't have anything to do with what position they played. The new CBA does the same thing, the costs were just slashed by more than half. Basically, they reset the system as far as what first rounders make, and I believe they've put restrictions in place to limit inflation from year to year. Im prettys ure that QBs got more cash atleast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 That is sorta how it was, just the numbers were WAY bigger early on due to stupidity. It wasn't an organized slotting, more like collusion by the agents. under the old system, a QB getting picked #1 would get waaaaay more money than a DT picked number one....hell, even if a QB went #4 and a DT went #1, the QB at 4 still got the bigger contract....THAT'S what I'm talking about. now it doesn't make any difference what position a guy plays at all, the money at #2 stays the same regardless. which means that if you're sitting at number 2 and your biggest need is a G and there's an elite one sitting there, there's no reason not to fill that need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyjack Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 1181, you're wrong. Position would often be the cause of problems between teams and agents. The better point is simply that because rookie contracts are diminished you can take BPA because no one being drafted in the top 10 will be paid those insane contracts any more. Still, the Jags arent taking Warmack at 2, so everyone is right and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 under the old system, a QB getting picked #1 would get waaaaay more money than a DT picked number one....hell, even if a QB went #4 and a DT went #1, the QB at 4 still got the bigger contract....THAT'S what I'm talking about. now it doesn't make any difference what position a guy plays at all, the money at #2 stays the same regardless. which means that if you're sitting at number 2 and your biggest need is a G and there's an elite one sitting there, there's no reason not to fill that need. I did say sorta. There were exceptions. New system WAY better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 1181, you're wrong. Position would often be the cause of problems between teams and agents. The better point is simply that because rookie contracts are diminished you can take BPA because no one being drafted in the top 10 will be paid those insane contracts any more. Still, the Jags arent taking Warmack at 2, so everyone is right and wrong. So you're saying there's no Chance at #2? I think a Guard, with no potential to play Tackle later on, is not a likely thing to happen at #2 myself, but let's be realistic here......nobody thought a guy like Bruce Irvin would be picked #12 last year either....yet he was. I think it's silly to call others silly for picking a player in website mock draft though.......I think we all take ourselves a little too seriously on here at times. The guy made a pick, respect it and move on. That being said, my uncle, Shahid Khan owns the Jaguars and I know who he really wants.......and it's not Chance Warmack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 1181, you're wrong. Position would often be the cause of problems between teams and agents. The better point is simply that because rookie contracts are diminished you can take BPA because no one being drafted in the top 10 will be paid those insane contracts any more. Still, the Jags arent taking Warmack at 2, so everyone is right and wrong. it had some impact, but not major impact. Another way to look at it: If The Jags were to take Womack he would instantly be the 13th highest paid guard in the draft. If they took Eric Fisher, he would only be the 20th highest paid left tackle in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm done talking about it, Warmack went to the Jags in this draft and that's not getting changed....let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm the commissioner and just changed the Jags pick to Manti Te'o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 With the 13th pick, the Tampa Bay Buccs select: Barkevious Mingo, LB, LSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm the commissioner and just changed the Jags pick to Manti Te'o yeah, that's just so there's no shot of the Bengals ending up with him....you're fooling no one. :onoudidnt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Under the new CBA, there is not one pick who gets more of less than another position (QB, DE, OG, LT, etc...). Pretty much the determining factors are position in the draft and the total amount of the rookie pool. Last year: $874.5 million rookie pool. 1. Andrew Luck $22,100,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0252715837621498 (2.52715837621498 %) 2. Robert Griffin III : $21,100,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.024128073184677 (2.4128073184677 %) 3. Trent Richardson : $20,400,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.023327615780446 (2.3327615780446 %) 17. Dre Kirkpatrick : $8,620,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0098570611778159 (.98570611778159 %) 21. Chandler Jones: $8,173,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0093459119496855 (.93459119496855 %) 27. Kevin Zeitler: $7,544,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0086266437964551 (.86266437964551 %) 61. LaMichael James: $3,318,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0037941680960549 (.37941680960549 %) 120. James-Michael Johnson :around $2,515,000 Percentage of rookie pool= 0.0028759291023442 (.28759291023442 %) Imaginary girlfriend: PRICELESS IMHO, paying a Guard no less than $21,100,000 is a whole freaking lot of money for a position that is a filler need and not a BPA at #2. On a side note: Kennethmw, I like the Mingo pick. Mingo is who the Jets picked last mock draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 IMHO, paying a Guard no less than $21,100,000 is a whole freaking lot of money for a position that is a filler need and not a BPA at #2. yep, you're absolutely correct. I honestly had no idea that the top 3 guys last year got that much money, so I stand corrected....thanks. oh well, at least they filled a need with a top player. :good2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 yep, you're absolutely correct. I honestly had no idea that the top 3 guys last year got that much money, so I stand corrected....thanks. oh well, at least they filled a need with a top player. :good2: Well, the real Jaguars got a punter in round 3 recently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I read the prior page before it got buried... and f you guys I got Fluker AND Smith because you guys don't know shit. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well, the real Jaguars got a punter in round 3 recently.... Just goes to show that a team will do just about anything in the draft to fill a need no matter how misguided it may appear to be. You did cause me to look it up on the Bengals history of Punters and their draft position. 5 6 142 Kevin Huber Punter Cincinnati 5 18 122 Jeff West Punter Cincinnati 5 27 139 Greg Horne Punter Arkansas 10 21 272 Bob Bialik Punter Hillsdale 14 23 398 Greg Coleman Punter Florida A&M 17 2 418 David Green Punter Ohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just goes to show that a team will do just about anything in the draft to fill a need no matter how misguided it may appear to be. You did cause me to look it up on the Bengals history of Punters and their draft position. 5 6 142 Kevin Huber Punter Cincinnati 5 18 122 Jeff West Punter Cincinnati 5 27 139 Greg Horne Punter Arkansas 10 21 272 Bob Bialik Punter Hillsdale 14 23 398 Greg Coleman Punter Florida A&M 17 2 418 David Green Punter Ohio Travis Dorsch 4th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Travis Dorsch 4th round Thanks, nice catch, I missed it because although he is listed as a Punter just about everywhere, the Bengals list him drafted as a "hybrid" punter/kicker. It appears he never started in a game and only played in one game. Guess his value was about nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Thanks, nice catch, I missed it because although he is listed as a Punter just about everywhere, the Bengals list him drafted as a "hybrid" punter/kicker. It appears he never started in a game and only played in one game. Guess his value was about nil. Pat McInally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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