dex Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Certainly, but it's hard to convict rich people in this country who have the means to exercise all of their rights. The overwhelming majority of criminal cases in the US are resolved without trial, typically with the defendant not having a good lawyer. Even though there is only one shooter and it wasn't like the killing happened during a robbery or something, but could they all face a murder change if the non-shooters try to destroy evidence that might identify the one that pulled the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Legal mumbo jumbo, is there enough to have him out when the bengals play them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Legal mumbo jumbo, is there enough to have him out when the bengals play them? If Hernandez is charged with a felony (pretty likely) and it's not resolved when the season starts (also likely), then it's hard to see the league letting him play and earn his check. This would be similar to the Rae Carruth or MIchael Vick situations where suspensions preceded the trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Even though there is only one shooter and it wasn't like the killing happened during a robbery or something, but could they all face a murder change if the non-shooters try to destroy evidence that might identify the one that pulled the trigger? If Hernandez is the shooter, he would benefit from his cronies helping him dispose of the evidence. They would be at least accessories after the fact and facing jail time in their own right. The prosecution will offer to waive charges against them in return for testimony vs Hernandez. The defense will point out to the jury loudly and frequently that they are testifying for the prosecution to avoid jail time. It wouldn't be surprising if they have criminal records, which would further reduce the value of their testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 If Hernandez is the shooter, he would benefit from his cronies helping him dispose of the evidence. They would be at least accessories after the fact and facing jail time in their own right. The prosecution will offer to waive charges against them in return for testimony vs Hernandez. The defense will point out to the jury loudly and frequently that they are testifying for the prosecution to avoid jail time. It wouldn't be surprising if they have criminal records, which would further reduce the value of their testimony. Still, in the grand scheme of things, highly unlikely Hernandez would see the playing field if he has a murder rap hanging over his head I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Still, in the grand scheme of things, highly unlikely Hernandez would see the playing field if he has a murder rap hanging over his head I would think. I can see Goodell suspending Gresham just to make the game fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Still, in the grand scheme of things, highly unlikely Hernandez would see the playing field if he has a murder rap hanging over his head I would think.  Dunno...  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Dunno...  I believe Rey had already become a witness for the state by then. He coped a plea and turned snitch. He was never tried for murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I believe Rey had already become a witness for the state by then. He coped a plea and turned snitch. He was never tried for muder. Â True and not being argumentative or anything like that with you but sticking a knife in a guy for stepping on your shoes counts for something from my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Â True and not being argumentative or anything like that with you but sticking a knife in a guy for stepping on your shoes counts for something from my perspective. C'mon Harry. Who among us hasn't stabbed someone to death over shoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 True and not being argumentative or anything like that with you but sticking a knife in a guy for stepping on your shoes counts for something from my perspective. I think the whole thing was BS. Should still be in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I think the whole thing was BS. Should still be in prison. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 C'mon Harry. Who among us hasn't stabbed someone to death over shoes? Yeah, not everybody's the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 C'mon Harry. Who among us hasn't stabbed someone to death over shoes? It kind of makes you wonder what else he's done that he got away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 If Hernandez is charged with a felony (pretty likely) and it's not resolved when the season starts (also likely), then it's hard to see the league letting him play and earn his check. This would be similar to the Rae Carruth or MIchael Vick situations where suspensions preceded the trials. But those guys weren't on Goodell's favorite team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 But those guys weren't on Goodell's favorite team. Did Hernandez get traded to the Steelers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Did Hernandez get traded to the Steelers? Pats and stealers are his co-favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013  Dunno...  For the sake of accuracy. Lewis murder happened 2000 under then commish Tagliabue. The NFL did not have as robust discipline policy in relation to missing games. Rey was 250k at the time and it was the largest penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I think the whole thing was BS. Should still be in prison. Except the jury didn't agree with the murder charges and found Rey's friends innocent by self defense. Rey went to jail for obstruction. If he didn't flip on his buddies he likely serves no jail time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Pats and stealers are his co-favorites. Not that I believe this or anything, but let's say it is... If Harrison got treated well from Goodell because he played on a preferred team, how many fines will he get as a Bengal? Boggles the mind...would make the expenses for his massage & body workers seem like chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Hernandez is done. Can't believe nobody is talking about this. Are you guys working or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Hernandez arrested ... http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9424103 http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9424113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Aaron Hernandez in police custody Updated: June 26, 2013, 9:35 AM ET ESPN.com news services NORTH ATTLEBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was taken into custody by police Wednesday morning. Hernandez, wearing a white V-neck T-shirt, long red athletic shorts and black sneakers, was led around 9 a.m. ET from the front door of his mansion with his hands in handcuffs behind his back inside the shirt and placed into a police cruiser, which quickly drove away. He casually spit into some bushes on his way to the car. Hernandez remains at the center of an investigation involving the shooting death of 27-year-old acquaintance Odin Lloyd. State police officers and dogs had searched Hernandez's home for more than 3½ hours Saturday. ABC News on Friday reported that authorities were expected to execute an arrest warrant at some point for Hernandez for obstruction of justice. Michael Fee, an attorney for Hernandez, released a statement Monday night that read: "Over the past week, our client, Aaron Hernandez, has been the subject of a relentless flood of rumors, misinformation, and false reports in the media. These include the repeated publication of a supposedly confirmed report that an arrest warrant had been issued for Aaron, a report that was exposed as untrue. "None of these false reports come from official sources and we appreciate the professionalism and restraint shown by the Bristol County District Attorney's Office to date with regard to its public statements while its investigation is underway. Out of respect for that ongoing investigation, we will continue to refrain from commenting on its substance." The arrest warrant was prepared last week after police discovered that the security system at Hernandez's home, along with his cellphone, were destroyed, sources told ABC News. Surveillance video from the neighborhood shows Hernandez with Lloyd and two other people hours before Lloyd was killed last week, sources confirmed to ABC News late Thursday. Reporters have been camped out for days at Hernandez's sprawling home on the Rhode Island line, not far from the stadium where the Patriots play. The Patriots drafted Hernandez, who is originally from Bristol, Conn., out of the University of Florida in 2010. Last summer, the team gave him a five-year contract worth $40 million. Patriots spokesman Stacey James has said the team did not anticipate commenting publicly during the police investigation. http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-taken-police-custody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 Defense attorney Jamie Sultan is also part of Aaron Hernandez's legal team By Nick Underhill, MassLive.com Follow on Twitter on June 25, 2013 at 4:42 PM, updated June 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM Aaron Hernandez Police take Aaron Hernandez from home in handcuffs Defense attorney Jamie Sultan is also part of Aaron Hernandez's legal team Assigning blame for the Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez situations is a dangerous game Jerod Mayo says the Patriots will have to ignore the noise that comes with Aaron Hernandez situation Lawyer: Aaron Hernandez has been the subject of misinformation and false reports Noted defense attorney Jamie Sultan was seen leaving Aaron Hernandez's home Tuesday afternoon, which brought to light another layer of the New England Patriots tight end's legal team. Hernandez is currently being investigated for his part in the homicide of Odin Lloyd. Until this point, Michael Fee, an attorney from Ropes & Grey, was Hernandez's only known representative. But Fee told MassLive.com that the law firm of Rankin & Sultan has served as his co-counsel since the onset of this ordeal. Sultan's bio notes that he has been listed in the Best Lawyers in America since 1991 and in the Massachusetts Super Lawyers since 2004. He previously taught criminal law at Suffolk University Law School. Here is more from his bio: "Attorney Jamie Sultan has more than 30 years of experience fighting for clients facing serious criminal charges in both state and federal courts. His practice includes seeking to fend off charges against clients under investigation, defending clients who have been charged, and prosecuting appeals and post-trial motions on behalf of clients following conviction. He has appeared in trial and appellate courts throughout Massachusetts and in seven other states. Jamie has handled a number of high-profile cases, including the post-conviction litigation in the Fells Acre Day Care sex abuse case which garnered national media attention. Some of his most recent reported successes include appellate reversals of first degree murder convictions in Commonwealth v. Woodbine, 461 Mass. 720 (2012) and Commonwealth v. Toolan, 460 Mass. 452 (2011)." http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/06/defense_attorney_jamie_sultan.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 With that much lawyer power it doesn't appear that this will be resolved before the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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