|Numbers| Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Misleading because it is lumping all the Jeep models into one. The Jeep Liberty was a disaster from the git-go... the Jeep Vega of sorts. The Cherokees have more to go wrong with them and are not as good as comparable models in other makes. One of the beauties of the Wrangler is it is based on the original WWII Jeep. Not much to go wrong, easy to fix (just open the hood and look) when it does. Ex had an Audi when I was driving the Scrambler. Cost her $600 to repair a broken power window motor. I laughed at her, took the entire canvas and wire frame door off the Scrambler and said "this is how I open the window". But the Liberty was a bad car from the start and everyone I know with a Cherokee has had problems. The simplicity of the Wrangler is its beauty. IMHO it is a fair assessment. Transmissions and in some cases engines are not different between a Liberty and a Wrangler. http://www.jeep4x4center.com/jeep-transmission-parts/nsg370-transmission.htm Yes, even the electrical components are similar. In regards to Jeep Cherokee the inline 6 was a carry over from the good ole AMC days. Chrysler ended up after a period of time putting a V6 in them and from then on started having more and more problems. I'm guessing that happened around the time of Daimler AG shift. There was even problems existing from the year swap over from Renault (around 1987-1988) in which the transmissions were never updated (5 speed manuals that separated in the center and always had a throw-out bearing issue and leakage from the front seal). Comparing a World War 2 Jeep to a new age Wrangler is not a fair assessment. A WW2 Jeep was made by multiple manufacturers and as a result doesn't even compare to a modern Jeep in the fact, nobody can repair anything under the hood with all the computer controls without a fair amount of electronic repair tools on hand that are normally outside the range of a shade tree mechanic. Considering you had a Scrambler (81-85) and that is what formed your opinions on the Jeep I understand. During that time they were owned by AMC (not Chrysler, Fiat, Daimler, etc...). Current Jeeps have all the infamous electronics in the doors as does other makes and models within other Jeep models. The current manufacturers of Jeep are for instance not making different door electronics for each model but are simply making them as universal as possible. Gotta say, I kind of miss the days of canvas doors and the simplicity of the older Jeeps. Except during winter driving or attempts to forge deep water. However, in that case, we'd just pop the drains on the floor boards and away we went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 My 2000 Wrangler is a 4 cyl 5 Speed manuel and never had a problem with it going on 200,000 miles. Last and only electrical problem I remember was the windshield wipers would not work once, of course in a rainstorm. Stopped at AutoZone, bought a fuse and replaced it in the parking lot. Worked fine. Fuse box is behind the glove compartment that has a nylon strap to prevent it from dropping all the way down. Unhook the strap (loop on a peg), drop the glove compartment and there is the fuse box complete with a printed guide to what fuse does what and it amp. Like I said, ease of maintenance. And it is pre Liberty. Not sure about the Patriot. The beauty of the Wrangler and Scrambler(s) is their simplicity although I thing the newer ones are becoming more complex and my thinking is the more complex, the more things to go wrong. However, do like the old joke about the difference between a 2WD car and a 4WD car is the 4WD car goes farther off the road to get stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Some of you are worrying me. I never owned an American car for the reason is that they break down. I figured the newer American cars are better built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Some of you are worrying me. I never owned an American car for the reason is that they break down. I figured the newer American cars are better built. It all depends on who is building the car in America; it all comes down to the engineering and design... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Misleading because it is lumping all the Jeep models into one. The Jeep Liberty was a disaster from the git-go... the Jeep Vega of sorts. The Cherokees have more to go wrong with them and are not as good as comparable models in other makes. One of the beauties of the Wrangler is it is based on the original WWII Jeep. Not much to go wrong, easy to fix (just open the hood and look) when it does. Ex had an Audi when I was driving the Scrambler. Cost her $600 to repair a broken power window motor. I laughed at her, took the entire canvas and wire frame door off the Scrambler and said "this is how I open the window". But the Liberty was a bad car from the start and everyone I know with a Cherokee has had problems. The simplicity of the Wrangler is its beauty. I think part of the skewing is a result of the use of the vehicles. Jeep owners take their vehicles to Moab to attempt the impossible. Breaking shit is called a fun Saturday. Lexus owners keep their cars in climate controlled environments, and take up four parking spots in the Mall garage. Those are the extremes, but the real world examples are still telling. My father drives his Wrangler through the dune mazes to get to the best beach for grilling at sunset. That's four wheeling, sand, salt, ocean, etc... My stepmother drives her Mercedes convertible from the garage at their condo to the beach club, where she has it valeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Not sure what you're trying to say here....but I think I agree. The white one looks badass with the black wheels. lol... drunk posting.. yes.. White one with the black wheels is what I was trying to say.... Brain and fingers weren't working together very well on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 He was smoking on a joint posting this hahahahaaaa ha ha.. i don't smoke, but looked like I was there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 rumble never keeps a car more than 18 months so he should be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 rumble never keeps a car more than 18 months so he should be fine Valid point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Do the models you are looking at have the 285 horsepower Pentastar V6 in them? If so, we have a 2012 Journey with 37k with the first year of the Pentastar, and it has been great. Haven't had a single issue, and our family hauler can really haul ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 ha ha.. i don't smoke, but looked like I was there... LOL...then what's that in your mouth in your avatar pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 LOL...then what's that in your mouth in your avatar pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Rumble decides to go with the Jeep Wrangler... Army Bengal and Big Alice decide to get a wrangler too... Its called a NuKiser 715 built upon the Wrangler frame. Here's one for USN Bengal and Homer... Note: The above image was after Fluhartz took it for a ride... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's one for Rick... (it is the closest Jeep that resembles a golf cart) Here's one for Old Schooler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 lol at pics. And as Go was saying I only keep them for no more than 18 months. I kept my Lexus now for 3 yrs. It is killing me lol. But the reason I kept this one for a long time is cause I owe more on it that what the Kelly book says it's worth. Only by 4k but I am not going to take that hit. I'd rather sell it out right. Reason is because I drove it MN from OH a shit load of times so I racked up mileage but it's all HWY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 lol at pics. And as Go was saying I only keep them for no more than 18 months. I kept my Lexus now for 3 yrs. It is killing me lol. But the reason I kept this one for a long time is cause I owe more on it that what the Kelly book says it's worth. Only by 4k but I am not going to take that hit. I'd rather sell it out right. Reason is because I drove it MN from OH a shit load of times so I racked up mileage but it's all HWY. Oh boo-friggin-hoo My truck is nearly 10 years old FFS... :265: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's one for Elflocko... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Meh, I've never liked convertibles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's one for Harley... Meh, I've never liked convertibles... at least you have Barbie beside you. Chicks dig Jeeps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's one for Harley... at least you have Barbie beside you. Chicks dig Jeeps... True, and the ones that do are usually left-wing hippies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 True, and the ones that do are usually left-wing hippies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's one for Spidey... he couldn't get his own so he borrowed Rumbles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I must admit, I enjoy the flair that Numbers brings to many of these threads. Rumble, I'll buy the Lexus from you. I'll give you $3999 less than bluebook :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Guess who owns this one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Guess who owns this one.... Brandon Weeden? Rumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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