FUCK ISRAEL!!!!

[Ron~Popeil]

No one in power really wants to solve this problem. Perpetual states of war are good business for the central banks.

[Khatmandude]

No one in power really wants to solve this problem. Perpetual states of war are good business for the central banks.

 

This is what it comes down to.....profit.....at the expense of human lives.   What kind of person can do this?  What's even more mind boggling is that these bankers already have more wealth than they will ever know to do with it, yet it continues and as a matter of fact....has continued to escalate.  

 

Shit's going to hit the fan though if (when) Israel tears down the Al Aqsa Complex, including the Mosque.....they've been planning it covertly for many years now.  Digging around the complex for the past 5-8 yrs or so.   That's when its time to really worry.   

[|Bunghole|]

It's not just wealth, it's power. And I agree if Israel does anything to the Dome Of The Rock, it's going to ignite a shitstorm. I've been reading books about the Crusades recently and the amount of violence perpetrated from BOTH sides in those conflicts endured for centuries. Seems nothing has changed, except now instead of Muslim or Christian control of the lands of Israel (which was mostly under Muslim control for about 800 years up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire), it's now controlled by the Jews.

 

Oy ve!

[Khatmandude]

It's not just wealth, it's power. And I agree if Israel does anything to the Dome Of The Rock, it's going to ignite a shitstorm. I've been reading books about the Crusades recently and the amount of violence perpetrated from BOTH sides in those conflicts endured for centuries. Seems nothing has changed, except now instead of Muslim or Christian control of the lands of Israel (which was mostly under Muslim control for about 800 years up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire), it's now controlled by the Jews.

 

Oy ve!

 

Right....but how much power does one need?  The central banks, and those who started them in each country.....they essentially write the laws of the country, dictate it's course, answer to no one etc....  How much more power and wealth does one need?!

 

And don't get it confused.....it's not the Dome of the Rock they're after....it's the Al Aqsa complex they're after....building of the 3rd Temple of Solomon.   Where the original Temple of Solomon was built.   The news clips always show the Dome of the Rock Mosque when mentioning Al Aqsa...thus why everyone is confused as to which building they're truly after.   Al Aqsa is behind the Dome of the Rock in 99.9% of footage you see on TV.  It's a whole complex including a mosque, court yard and such.   Where the original Temple of Solomon was built. 

 

But yeah....that's when the proverbial shit hits the fan. 

[Enon Bengal]

Because we give Israel triple to quadruple more than anyone else yearly and don't ask for it back. We don't give the same nations yearly billions of dollars like we do Israel. And you like us giving away billions?

i looked it up after i posted this. We gave away $37 billion in foreign aid in 2012. Israel got $3B+, Afghanistan got $2B+ and Egypt got $1B+.

 

The same article said $37B was less than 1% of the government's budget in 2012 - sure it's a big number but dwarfed by other things we throw money at.

[Rumble In the Jungle]

i looked it up after i posted this. We gave away $37 billion in foreign aid in 2012. Israel got $3B+, Afghanistan got $2B+ and Egypt got $1B+.

 

The same article said $37B was less than 1% of the government's budget in 2012 - sure it's a big number but dwarfed by other things we throw money at.

 

But it is given to them on a yearly basis. Why is that? Why does the U.S. give Israel money yearly and not ask for any return on it's money. And when you visit Israel you'll get treated like shit. 

[Jamie_B]

I'm less concern with the money we give Israel as I am with them involving themselves in our foreign policy

[Khatmandude]

i looked it up after i posted this. We gave away $37 billion in foreign aid in 2012. Israel got $3B+, Afghanistan got $2B+ and Egypt got $1B+.

 

The same article said $37B was less than 1% of the government's budget in 2012 - sure it's a big number but dwarfed by other things we throw money at.

 

I think if you researched further, you would see that the US gives Israel not only money, but military aid/equipment.....total of about $10bil/year or so.  That I don't have an issue with.  What I do have an issue with, is those same tax dollars and military aid goes into oppression of the Palestinian people, the continued racism, the conditions that Palestinians are forced to live under, the systematic genocide of the Palestinian people as has been Israel's aim for decades now.  Their leaders even talk bluntly about it but you don't hear of it here in the US media because guess what, Zionists own every media outlet here in the US of A.  

 

There is a country with more UN resolutions against it than any other.....guess who that country is?  But the US vetoes everything against Israel at the Security Council so no action can be taken against Israel.  US has veto power.  Funny how that works huh? 

 

Israel is responsible for distributing water to the Palestinians.  For a camp of about 100k Palestinians, they are given 10% of the water usage a settlement of 1000 people have access to.  Is this fair?  But it's in line with how Israel systematically keeps the Palestinians living how they currently are and have been for decades now.   This is what breeds resentment.  Israeli settlers take over lands that were owned by Palestinians and the Palestinians are forced to leave everything behind....their homes and what's in them.  This breeds resentment. 

 

There was a time when this sort of thing didn't occur and guess what....Israelis and Palestinians lived together, side by side, neighbors, a community.....they worked together towards common goals.   They were in it together.   When the settlements started, the kicking out of Palestinians from homes they lived in, their parents and their parents' parents.....lived in those homes that were now being forced to evacuate and the land given to the Israelis after the homes had been demolished.  This is what breeds resentment. 

 

There is SO MUCH more to this saga than what we are privy to here in the US due to the media blackout essentially.  Again, media is owned by those with the same aims as those in Israel have, of course you're not going to hear about the suffering here in the US.  Making it easier for the US to look the other way.  Other countries.....pretty much every other country in the world has a negative image of Israel due to what they do......every country except for this one.....America.  You/We have been programmed properly.  By television PROGRAMMING.  

 

There are activists from all over the world who go and try to stand up for Palestinians' rights.  Israel has no problem treating them like shit as well.....because why?  You guessed it...they control what the media have access to.   One of those brave people, got run over by an Israeli bulldozer.....her name was Rachel Corrie.  Read about her sometime.   Then read about the countless others who have gone to Palestine in trying to help....only to see first hand the oppressor's actions. 

 

There are orthodox Jews who aren't afraid to speak up against the state of Israel.  They get treated like shit as well.  Anyone who dare say anything negative about Israel are treated this way.   Anytime a politicians speaks up against Israel, AIPAC is on their ass and threaten to take away funding/donations.  The morally bankrupt fall for the pressure while those with morals are slandered in the media for the anti-Israeli views which are then taken and shown as being anti-semetic remarks....essentially derailing any career the politician could have potentially had.   What's funny is that Palestinians have more semetic blood than a large majority of the Jews living in Israel.  The real Jews, the Sephardic Jews, are treated like shit by fake Jews....the Ashkenazi Jews.   Zionists don't care about Jews, Christians, Muslims etc.....  They care about their goals, their interests.   And some Americans are all too happy about what Israel is doing....quick to excuse anything and everything without having any knowledge as to what's truly going on over there. 

 

Sorry for taking up so much time.....I'm sure people have their 1.5 kids and dog and house and job and lawn to look after....can't be bothered with people across the world's problems. 

[Rumble In the Jungle]

 

I think if you researched further, you would see that the US gives Israel not only money, but military aid/equipment.....total of about $10bil/year or so.  That I don't have an issue with.  What I do have an issue with, is those same tax dollars and military aid goes into oppression of the Palestinian people, the continued racism, the conditions that Palestinians are forced to live under, the systematic genocide of the Palestinian people as has been Israel's aim for decades now.  Their leaders even talk bluntly about it but you don't hear of it here in the US media because guess what, Zionists own every media outlet here in the US of A.  

 

There is a country with more UN resolutions against it than any other.....guess who that country is?  But the US vetoes everything against Israel at the Security Council so no action can be taken against Israel.  US has veto power.  Funny how that works huh? 

 

Israel is responsible for distributing water to the Palestinians.  For a camp of about 100k Palestinians, they are given 10% of the water usage a settlement of 1000 people have access to.  Is this fair?  But it's in line with how Israel systematically keeps the Palestinians living how they currently are and have been for decades now.   This is what breeds resentment.  Israeli settlers take over lands that were owned by Palestinians and the Palestinians are forced to leave everything behind....their homes and what's in them.  This breeds resentment. 

 

There was a time when this sort of thing didn't occur and guess what....Israelis and Palestinians lived together, side by side, neighbors, a community.....they worked together towards common goals.   They were in it together.   When the settlements started, the kicking out of Palestinians from homes they lived in, their parents and their parents' parents.....lived in those homes that were now being forced to evacuate and the land given to the Israelis after the homes had been demolished.  This is what breeds resentment. 

 

There is SO MUCH more to this saga than what we are privy to here in the US due to the media blackout essentially.  Again, media is owned by those with the same aims as those in Israel have, of course you're not going to hear about the suffering here in the US.  Making it easier for the US to look the other way.  Other countries.....pretty much every other country in the world has a negative image of Israel due to what they do......every country except for this one.....America.  You/We have been programmed properly.  By television PROGRAMMING.  

 

There are activists from all over the world who go and try to stand up for Palestinians' rights.  Israel has no problem treating them like shit as well.....because why?  You guessed it...they control what the media have access to.   One of those brave people, got run over by an Israeli bulldozer.....her name was Rachel Corrie.  Read about her sometime.   Then read about the countless others who have gone to Palestine in trying to help....only to see first hand the oppressor's actions. 

 

There are orthodox Jews who aren't afraid to speak up against the state of Israel.  They get treated like shit as well.  Anyone who dare say anything negative about Israel are treated this way.   Anytime a politicians speaks up against Israel, AIPAC is on their ass and threaten to take away funding/donations.  The morally bankrupt fall for the pressure while those with morals are slandered in the media for the anti-Israeli views which are then taken and shown as being anti-semetic remarks....essentially derailing any career the politician could have potentially had.   What's funny is that Palestinians have more semetic blood than a large majority of the Jews living in Israel.  The real Jews, the Sephardic Jews, are treated like shit by fake Jews....the Ashkenazi Jews.   Zionists don't care about Jews, Christians, Muslims etc.....  They care about their goals, their interests.   And some Americans are all too happy about what Israel is doing....quick to excuse anything and everything without having any knowledge as to what's truly going on over there. 

 

Sorry for taking up so much time.....I'm sure people have their 1.5 kids and dog and house and job and lawn to look after....can't be bothered with people across the world's problems. 

 

 

you said it best brother

 

[Rumble In the Jungle]

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwDrWFLrGk[/media]

 

Here is a little somethin somethin

[T-Dub]

Sooo.. Since they seem to be going another round.

 

 

The math isn't adding up for me.  ~120 dead in Gaza from air strikes.  Targeted ones, sure, but the estimates I'm hearing are that roughly 3/4 of those (~90) were civilians. Meanwhile, Hamas & possibly other groups have launched untargeted rockets into Israel that, so far, have seriously injured one (1) person.

 

The stated goal of the IDF at this point is to stop the rocket attacks. Of course this is impossible; it's like a war on terrorism or drugs or any other ideological crusade. And of course the more air strikes they order, the more rockets are going to come flying back at them. Seems obvious.

 

Simply put, there is not a military solution to the problem.  It can sure as shit make it worse, as we're seeing.

[Storm]

I have always been suspicious of the US/Israel relationship,  the media aspect alone is a conflict of interest,  I will admit I'm not fully up to date on the conflict but watched a special some years back which made me wonder if we weren't being told the truth about the real intentions of Israel

 

 

Just the fact that Right Wing Christians are siding with Israel makes me think the Palestinians are getting the shaft,   I need to do some research to get the real story 

[Storm]

I Traveled to Palestine-Israel And Discovered There is no ‘Palestinian-Israeli Conflict’

OPINION

 

 

Armed Israeli settler strolls across checkpoint in Hebron, West Bank. Photo: Thomas Dallal

 

The mind has a way of making traumatic experiences seem like distant dreams to those who survive them. As it goes, the more traumatic the experience, the quicker the paramedics in one’s mind rush to dress wounds, resuscitate and stabilize the victim; the victim being you.

Since returning from Palestine 36 hours ago, I find myself confronted with feelings of detachment and minimization of what I encountered. My subconscious has decided the horrors I witnessed in the ‘Holy Land’ were nothing serious–horrors which include a 26-foot-tall concrete wall enclosing the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank, and the sniper towers seemingly on every other corner of this open-air prison.

This was my first trip to Palestine–most westerners call it Israel, but I’ll address that topic shortly. I had never been to the country, but I read enough to know the basics: Palestinians and Israelis were fighting over land. The Israeli government was formed in 1948 as part of a vision set forth by a secular European colonial political movement called Zionism, founded by Hungarian Theodor Herzl in 1896. Herzl, an atheist, sought to free the Jews from European oppression and anti-Semitism, with the ultimate goal being the creation of a Jewish state.  He first proposed East Africa’s Uganda as the location of the Jewish state. This proposal also found the approval of the British government which controlled Palestine since the First World War. Herzl, however, later identified Palestine as the country of choice. I knew this.

The history of Palestinians was something I was familiar with as well, only because in high school, my friend’s parents were Moroccan Jews with staunch right-wing Zionist views. They’d go on about how Palestinians were worth shit and how they were sucking off the land they stole, and how they were not from Palestine, but Jordan. Truth be told, my friend’s parents’ passion about their ‘homeland’ made me sick. As a black person living in the United States, I could not relate to their love for their proclaimed homeland because I never had one. My ancestors were captured from various regions of Africa and forced onto ships bound for the Americas. Therefore, when questioned about the geographic origins of my ancestors, my answers were as vague as Africa is big.

Blurt 

Before I go further, I must put to rest a misnomer. Contrary to what’s been reported in the news for years, there is no Israeli-Palestinian conflict. None, zero, zilch, diddly-squat. I can say with confidence that Palestinians have no agency. The Israeli government controls everything in the country. This total control which is most magnified in the West Bank, concerns everything from where Palestinians are permitted to travel, to how much water they consume per month. Currently, there is no ‘conflict,’ only the omnipresent power of the Israeli government and those who resist it. This is important to understand.

Where was I?

I began researching the history of Palestinians in my senior year of college and discovered that my high school buddy’s parents weren’t only functionally insane, but they were completely incorrect in their claims. Palestinians had not fallen from the clouds and landed on Jewish land, (interpretations of certain religious texts would suggest otherwise) but had inhabited the country for thousands of years. In fact, Palestine hosted several occupations throughout history: Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Israelites, Philistines, Tjekker, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Muslims, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottomans, British, Jordanians– a gang bang of military occupations. Nasty.

American author and Professor of Political Science Alan Dowty put it best when he wrote, “Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries.” Moreover, studies suggest, that part, if not the majority of Arabs living in Palestine, descend from a core population that dates back thousands of years.

Perhaps it would be easier for me to believe the story of Palestinians falling from the clouds, or crossing into Palestine from Jordan shortly before the creation of Israel — that is, if my perception were formed by mainstream western media. In the years prior to the events of 9/11, including the initial months of the Second Intifada, media outlets such as Fox, CNN, and BBC, unfolded one dimensional narratives which included bloodthirsty Palestinians blowing themselves up in public places, killing innocent people. Never did they examine the societal constraints and conditions which might drive people to commit such atrocities.

In order for colonialism and occupation to be successful, previous inhabitants of a region must be dehumanized, labeled savages, and finally, their very existence denied. Once this paradigm has been established, any and all acts of horror can be inflicted upon them without recourse. Thus, the stories of the oppressed become irrelevant. 

Members of our delegation show passports at checkpoint entering illegal settlements in Hebron, West Bank.  Jewish Israelis are permitted entry, internationals must present passports and endure interrogation and Palestinians are not allowed. Photo: Thomas Dallal

Getting in and out

In the weeks preceding my departure from Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport to Tel Aviv, I received travel warnings from The Carter Center, the organization responsible for sponsoring my trip. Our delegation, which consisted of prominent African-American journalists and artists, was provided suggestions of how to increase our chances of getting into Palestine-Israel. It is not uncommon for travelers to be denied entry into the country for absurd reasons such as their father’s last name sounds Arab, or they criticized Israeli policy on a social networking website. I decided I would tell my Israeli interrogators the truth, but be as vague as possible.

If denied entry, travelers could be detained for hours, interrogated and forced to board an airplane back to where their flight originated. Other visitors to the region advised me to avoid saying words like “Palestine,” “Palestinian,” ”solidarity,” and “West Bank” inside of Israel’s airport. I was also advised to sanitize my email in the event that Israeli officials requested my password in order to rummage through my inbox. Unfortunately, this is a common experience for Palestinian-Americans attempting to visit the country. Additionally, I was warned that Israeli authorities, on occasion, provoke visitors by being rude, or asking inappropriate questions–they aim to cause one to feel as though they’ve done something wrong. In my case, this tactic was working. I felt I was committing a crime by wishing to enter the West Bank to talk to Palestinians. Israel was getting to me already, and I hadn’t left my apartment.

How things work

I reached Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion Airport and made my way up a flight of stairs leading to a long, wide, windowed corridor filled with travelers speed-walking towards their destination. To my left were palm trees of a country I was hoping to enter, and fixed high above was the sun, whispering the arduous tale of humankind.

I had made it to customs. It resembled a race track betting area with fifteen booths and neon signs fixed to them which read, “Israeli Citizens” and “Foreigners.” I got into the foreigner line. Inside the booth sat an Israeli woman, maybe 20 years old. She looked sad and beautiful.

“Passport,” she said in a dry tone.

I gave it to her.

“What is the reason for your visit?”

I smiled and replied, “A tour of the holy land.”

She examined my passport, then she examined my face,”Will you be visiting the West Bank or Gaza?”

I said, “No,” without thinking.

“Where will you be going?” she asked.

“Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Nazareth,” I replied.

She examined my passport again, “Do know any Palestinians?” she asked.

I smirked and lied, “No.”

I was officially permitted into the state of Israel. I found my taxi driver, loaded my carry-on bag into the trunk, and we were off. Leaving Israel would not be so easy, but I’ll save that story for another time.

Riding from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the first thing I noticed, besides the breathtaking Palestinian landscape with its palm trees, olive trees and immense hills and valleys, were walls and barbwire. There were literally hundreds of miles of concrete walls and barbwire–not the kind one sees on a Los Angeles off-ramp, but those belonging to a prison

I’d later find out that a portion of my 90-minute ride from the airport to Jerusalem gave a brief look at “Area-C.” As it goes, the occupied West Bank is divided into three parts: “Area-A,” “Area-B” and “Area-C.” “Area-C” is controlled by the Israeli government, while “Area-A” is supposedly under the control of the Palestinian Authority (or PA), a self-governing body established to govern the West Bank and Gaza Strip (“Area-B” is under glorified Palestinian municipal control and Israeli security control). The reason I say “supposedly,” is because after spending a week in the country, I began wondering if the area classifications were simply a broad public relations campaign to convince the world that Palestinians have a degree of military, political, and economic power they do not have. This is not a far-fetched inquiry. Since the second Oslo Accords in 1995, the Israeli government has asserted, and the international community has accepted, the notion that “Area-A” is under PA control, but on the ground, the PA acts as a subcontracted enforcer to the Israeli occupiers.

The Reality

In Jerusalem, I witnessed great religious and ethnic diversity. I saw Arabs, Asians, Europeans, Africans, Orthodox Jews, Muslims, Christians, all scrambling in Old City Jerusalem towards their various destinations. It was postcard worthy.

The variety of cultures in Jerusalem is outstanding. Similar to many societies however, Palestine-Israel presents a polished version of itself to tourists, where 5-star hotels in Tel Aviv and tourist attractions in Jerusalem cloak its brutal realities. The fact remains that our delegation was subject to a type of racism I’ve only experienced in the southern states of the United States of America. Of course, to a Jew or a middle class Palestinian living in Jerusalem or Nazareth, my observations may sound like exaggerations, but for the African migrant sleeping on the ground in South Tel Aviv, or for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, my evaluations are dead on.

The blatant, systemic subjugation and profiling of Arabs was most pronounced when our tour guide, a middle class Palestinian woman, was forced by IDF soldiers to exit our tour van and pass through a checkpoint on foot. As all Palestinians must do, she was told to place her thumb on a scanner to pass through a turn-style at a checkpoint. The members of our delegation were no exception to IDF scrutiny. The light skinned blacks in our delegation were interrogated and asked bluntly if they were Arab, and if not, what the last names of their fathers’ were.

Palestinians and progressive Israelis told our delegation story after story of the abuses and degradation they’ve suffered at the hands of Israeli settlers or soldiers, and we witnessed some of this treatment first hand. Along with the rampant home and land confiscation in the West Bank (in which settlers receive state subsidies), agricultural violence is on the rise, as settlers uproot and destroy the olive trees Palestinians rely on for income and nourishment. More sinisterly, public beatings, arrests and shootings are common, particularly in the West Bank. Without charges, a Palestinian can be imprisoned and held for months or years under administrative detention. The same law does not apply to Jewish Israelis. In fact, Israeli citizens can commit a range of crimes against Palestinians with near impunity. Furthermore, Israelis benefit from being under police and civil courts jurisdiction, while Palestinians are under military jurisdiction. Human Rights Watch has documented the “Separate and Unequal” legal situation endured by Palestinians.

Yehuda Shaul (seen in orange shirt) lectures our delegation near village of Susya.  Photo: Thomas Dallal

Our delegation was introduced to Yehuda Shaul, a former commander in the Israeli army and current Foreign Relations Director for Breaking the Silence, an organization of former IDF soldiers who have dedicated themselves to revealing the atrocities committed against Palestinians, as well as the general corruption of higher-ups in the Israeli government. Yehuda, a heavyset man wearing a yarmulke, still moves and speaks like a soldier. As we drove up and down the hills of South Hebron, Yehuda’s lecture quickly began to feel like a general preparing a platoon for an offensive. He even revealed Israel’s plan to force rural Palestinians away from their land and into West Bank cities, making them dependent on the government.

As a liberal Israeli, Yehuda believes in granting rights to Palestinians and developing a two-state Israeli-Palestinian solution. Yehuda is still a Zionist, and beyond lecturing about various land grabs, violence and injustices committed by Israeli settlers and the government, the 31-year-old steers away from revealing his personal story, which likely involves his journey as an IDF commander who terrorized Palestinian neighbourhoods, to the activist he is today who accepts that Palestinians are human.

Yehuda commanded our Palestinian driver to stop on the side of a road near an illegal Israeli settlement in the village of Susya. I point out that our driver was Palestinian because stopping in Susya was extremely dangerous for the three Palestinians in our van. Susya is home to armed, right-wing Israeli settlers who as Yehuda admitted, would “beat up” Palestinians on sight. Our Palestinian colleagues stayed in the van.

For some reason, Yehuda was compelled to conduct his lecture outside of the bus while our delegation shivered from a mountainous chill. It was then that a dusty car stopped feet away from us, engine running, with the driver focusing a murderous stare on our group. Yehuda kept lecturing as though nothing was happening, and our delegation pretended to listen as we remained vigilant for the deranged onlooker. The man examined us for a minute more, then sped off violently to return moments later to repeat this action. Sensing danger, I suggested to Yehuda we get back in the van and leave, but he ordered us to remain outside.

“This will only take a few minutes more,” he said, before continuing his lecture.

The rapid fire gunshots we heard in the distance gave us our cue to finally return to the van. The moment we were about to drive off, Israeli army vehicles pulled up, and a few soldiers peered in at us. They took a quick inventory of the van and then sped off. Apparently, during our lecture, Israeli settlers were attacking a group of Palestinians. I had seen enough.

Zionism has convinced many Jews that they are preserving themselves. The common thought is that if the “savage” Palestinians stop resisting, stop shooting rockets, stop fighting Israel’s inevitable domination, there can be peace. I find this peculiar because during my visit, I felt no danger from Palestinians, only from Israeli soldiers. Perhaps it’s because I’m accustomed to being hunted in America. There is no Palestinian-Israeli conflict; there is only oppression.

I will never disregard the Holocaust which left millions of European Jews dead or scrambling for survival. There is nothing that will ever right the wrongs committed by the brutal German regime. On the same note, I will never minimize Germany’s first, and little-known, genocide against the Herero and Namaqua of Africa, or King Leopold’s bloody reign on the continent. Tragedy is tragedy, one should not be placed above the other, nor should a past tragedy justify the next.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwXh04DY2kk[/media]

 

Eerily similar to what was done to the Native Americans 

[T-Dub]

This was really good:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1kCZmkglYs

[Rumble In the Jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwp1eZ-dtwc

[Rumble In the Jungle]

I bet you can't show me that of Israeli kids!

 

 T

 

The father in that picture was crying and begging his son for forgiveness cause he couldn't protect him. I am crying as I type this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpmwB1uyJPI

[Rumble In the Jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87kJzcajJc

 

Please watch this PLEASE

[Rumble In the Jungle]

[Rumble In the Jungle]

[Khatmandude]

This was really good:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1kCZmkglYs

 

It's typical.....an Israeli perspective to what's happening.....so you get sound bites like..."this is war etc.."  This isn't war.....it's genocide.  One side has advanced military backed by the US while the other side has homemade rockets that don't do any damage and rocks.  It isn't a war. 

 

That's why you don't see International activists in Israel, but you do in Palestine.  They see injustice....we don't because our media is controlled/owned by Zionists.  Every media outlet is owned by 6 companies.....when you control the information getting out, you control the opinions of the people. 

 

Why is it that Israel doesn't have peace activsts on its side?  Why does Israel have Jews rallying against its actions?  Why don't we hear balanced news in the US?  These are all pertinent questions. 

[big_dish]

I think the conflicts in current events are a chicken or egg type deal.

 

I dont know why the Jews were just given Isreal (it wasnt a conquered country/area from WW2)... it was basically stolen. But, they are there now and arent going away. So, with Israel a recognized nation, somehow they need to find a way to live in relative harmony.

 

But the chicken/egg thing is this- Hamas shoots rockets/kidnaps/kills Israelis. Israel attacks Hamas hideouts/Gaza. Hamas shoots rockets/kidnaps/kills Israelis. Israel attacks Hamas hideouts/Gaza. Rinse, repeat. Ad Naseum. Someone needs to cut it out. Both, need to cut it out. But they wont. Its an eternal eye for an eye conflict, with no end in sight. I have a hard time blaming either side for protecting their people or taking revenge. I would want revenge if someone killed one of my family members, regardless if I was Israeli or Palestinian.

Oh, and it really pisses me off that Israel refuses to stop encroaching their settlements. Little bastards. That really is the biggest bullshit of the political (non-war action) happenings. Fucking stop it. Use the land you have and stay off the other property. A strong president (if we ever have one) should put the pressure on Israel to cut that shit out.

[Khatmandude]

I think the conflicts in current events are a chicken or egg type deal.

 

I dont know why the Jews were just given Isreal (it wasnt a conquered country/area from WW2)... it was basically stolen. But, they are there now and arent going away. So, with Israel a recognized nation, somehow they need to find a way to live in relative harmony.

 

But the chicken/egg thing is this- Hamas shoots rockets/kidnaps/kills Israelis. Israel attacks Hamas hideouts/Gaza. Hamas shoots rockets/kidnaps/kills Israelis. Israel attacks Hamas hideouts/Gaza. Rinse, repeat. Ad Naseum. Someone needs to cut it out. Both, need to cut it out. But they wont. Its an eternal eye for an eye conflict, with no end in sight. I have a hard time blaming either side for protecting their people or taking revenge. I would want revenge if someone killed one of my family members, regardless if I was Israeli or Palestinian.

Oh, and it really pisses me off that Israel refuses to stop encroaching their settlements. Little bastards. That really is the biggest bullshit of the political (non-war action) happenings. Fucking stop it. Use the land you have and stay off the other property. A strong president (if we ever have one) should put the pressure on Israel to cut that shit out.

 

That's not the situation at all....but I can't blame you for thinking this way when you're subjected to American/European "news".   You realize the 3 settlers were kidnapped after about 8 Palestinian teenagers/kids had been shot dead in the streets right?  Apparently you were under the impression the 3 kidnapped settlers were the catalysts to this downward spiral.......not the case, but the US media will have you believing it.   Which it worked on you. 

 

If it were truly how the media portrayed it to be....you wouldn't have Int'l peace activists on only the Palestinian side while the other side calls for Arabs to be wiped out.   You wouldn't have Internationals willing to sacrifice their lives, like Rachel Corrie did (she was run over by an Israeli bulldozer when she tried to act as a human shield in front of a home Israel were about to steal and unearth)

 

It's why ABC News shows a destroyed Palestinian home with nothing left after the missile devastation and headlines it "Israeli families try to pick up the pieces".  It's a battle for your mind.....and most have already lost.  Corporate news isn't worried about even telling the truth anymore.  They know Americans are too dumb to keep them honest. 

 

And a 'strong president'?  He wouldn't be a candidate for President if he didn't appease Israel and AIPAC.  Again.....Zionists control the media, if your platform is against Zionism (settlements and all) then the media will portray you as a fool, in effect, making up peoples' minds for them.  No American President will ever stand up to Israel, because AIPAC will have helped him secure a Presidential nomination.  They don't bite the hand that feeds them.

 

Jews, actual Jews....not Zionists aren't afraid to speak out against Israel.  They're about the only ones with any 'clout' that are doing so.  God bless them.   But of course, their protests are blacked out by the media.   No coverage whatsoever.  You have to go to foreign news sources to know it actually happened. 

 

What a world we live in....

 

[big_dish]

 

 

That's not the situation at all....but I can't blame you for thinking this way when you're subjected to American/European "news".   You realize the 3 settlers were kidnapped after about 8 Palestinian teenagers/kids had been shot dead in the streets right?  Apparently you were under the impression the 3 kidnapped settlers were the catalysts to this downward spiral.......not the case, but the US media will have you believing it.   Which it worked on you. 

 

 

 

My point was that it is cyclical- hence the chicken before the egg. Who wronged whom, first? It could be said Israel started it by becoming a state, but thats in the past now. You could say Hamas started it, by firing rockets into Israel, but did they do that in aggression or retaliation for an Israeli raid? You could say Israel started it by bombing a Hamas hideout, but did they do that in retaliation to their citizens being murdered? The chicken/egg is seemingly never ending. There is no way to pinpoint all the violence and who is right/wrong (both sides are wrong), but I also cant blame either for following an eye for an eye gameplan. Its wrong, but understandable.

 

And it does seem to be the case that no US President will turn his back to Israel, which is unfortunate. Sometimes even friends need some extremely tough love in order to force positive change.

[Jamie_B]

Israel always makes claims of self defense and need to protect their border when really its a continuous land grab
And boo for changing the title

[big_dish]

Israel always makes claims of self defense and need to protect their border when really its a continuous land grab
And boo for changing the title

Yeah the constant land grabbing is bullshit for sure