scharm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I don't think we need another thread arguing the perceived deficiencies of Andy Dalton. I am not threatening to edit or handing out warnings. just a simple request to keep this from spiraling down the rabbit hole, Thanks for your cooperation. Then quote the dude that focused on the Dalton part of my resopnse. I think Green is more important because his catch radius helps our accuracy challenged QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think D-line and CBs are more important especially in a 4-3 scheme that to this point hasn't rushed LBs often lessen the value of Burfict a little when comparing importance to players like Geno and Green. Burfict did force turnovers, plays in coverage and is versatile that makes him alot more than your typical 4-3 backer that are sometimes considered dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think D-line and CBs are more important especially in a 4-3 scheme that to this point hasn't rushed LBs often lessen the value of Burfict a little when comparing importance to players like Geno and Green. Burfict did force turnovers, plays in coverage and is versatile that makes him alot more than your typical 4-3 backer that are sometimes considered dime a dozen. It's not even so much the plays he makes, but he is the heart and soul of the defense, not to mention the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 It's not even so much the plays he makes, but he is the heart and soul of the defense, not to mention the QB. Exactly. He's the leader of our D. Plus, he's on the last year of a contract that he has certainly outplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgal Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I love them both but Burfict is more important to me just because he's the QB of the defense. If WRs won Superbowls, the Lions would have a couple by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinci1fan1 Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Burfict is a beast and and we should sign before start of regular season facepalm at some of the posts in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Hypothetical draft. Green is going off the board first everytime over Burfict. Heck, some analysis were sheepishly making a point he's better than Megatron during NFL top 100. Whenver we have these discussions it's always Green vs. whoever isn't signed. Green is the franchise and makes a ton of people better on offense. Geno makes a ton of people better on Defense. Burfict excels at making the plays and makes our LBs better by allowing subsitutions and getting them off the field when match ups don't favor them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Hard to say who is more important on defense between 'Taze and Taz... They are both one of the top players at their positions.. Atkins is a freakish athlete that simply frequently outclasses his opposition and causes havok in the backfield from the interior which is invaluable in today's passing attack which relies so heavily on timing and fast release. Burfict brings an emotional and physical intensity that not only wears on the opposition, but feeds his team mates. He has begun to show real leadership and is quickly becoming the overall leader of the unit. Combining that with his football IQ and instincts and you have an indispensable part of the defense. I think overall Burfict elevates his surrounding cast more so than Atkins.. Atkins does it with his play, whereas Burfict also has the fire and attitude that helps take everyone to that next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Without Burfict's versatility we'd have more bad matchups in coverage or running situations he allows them to match LBs to their strengths. Specifically talking about the Rey's. However, pass rush went down with Geno. Catch radius of Green is invaluable among his other assets. Geno pre injury and Burfict could be dynamic enough to challenge for D-player of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Bengals are about 16 mil under the cap now so they could certainly sign at least 1 of Burfict/Green before the season starts. Vontaze should be the next guy in line for a new deal since he has outplayed his old one by so much. AJ is getting paid currently as a high pick, even under the new CBA. He's also signed through 2015 and could plausibly be tagged in 2016 and 2017. Taze would be harder to tag since LB tag money is set by pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Bengals are about 16 mil under the cap now so they could certainly sign at least 1 of Burfict/Green before the season starts. Vontaze should be the next guy in line for a new deal since he has outplayed his old one by so much. AJ is getting paid currently as a high pick, even under the new CBA. He's also signed through 2015 and could plausibly be tagged in 2016 and 2017. Taze would be harder to tag since LB tag money is set by pass rushers. I agree with this logic. I think taze is the next signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Being that far under the cap after going through an offseason that saw you lose Collins, MJ, and Hawkins without any significant Free Agent picks up it'd be a shame not to get Green or Burfict extended especially when last year's conference championship participants are adding the pieces they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Depends on the "impasse" with Taze. Get whichever one done you can. Effectively you control both for the next 2 years. AJ is under contact, Taze can be tendered. Then you can franchise either as need be. I'm guessing Taze would have the cheaper tag, but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Pretty cool video I came across while drunkenly surfing for highlights. Get a 6 year deal done like yesterday for this guy. http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=R-EkdqjzZpI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColorChanginClique Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 The deal with Vontez will get done. I have faith and confidence in this orgination and specifically Katie and Marvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 The deal with Vontez will get done. I have faith and confidence in this orgination and specifically Katie and Marvin. I don't think he or Green are going anywhere. The concern will be all those other FA's, particularly next year. Skipping backups (that'll still need to be replaced somehow) & guys like Newman who are a bet to retire, these are the ones that jump out to me as likely targets for extensions. 2015 Gresham Boling Nugent Lamur Maualuga (yeah I know) Moch (if he ends up with all the sacks. 3rd down pass rusher is a nice gig on this team) 2016 Hall Andre Whit Nelson Zeitler Jones Sanu DreK (Yeah I know, hoping he's a starter by then) Still & B-Thompson (BT looked good, anyway. See DreK ^) Iloka (meh but he's a starter for now) Vomit Comet! Orson Charles (hahahaha) tl;dr No way we can avoid losing some good players to free agency. They're retaining a good team, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unleashed Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 @GeoffHobsonCin: Hearing that Burfict contract talks have heated up. This is time of year @Bengals like to do extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Montana Bengal| Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m Bengals and LB Vontaze Burfict have agreed on a multi-year contract extension, per @caplannfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 @AdamSchefter: Bengals and LB Vontaze Burfict have agreed on a multi-year contract extension, per @caplannfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 1 more to get done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I got goosebumps when I heard it on radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 4yrs, $20M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 @AdamSchefter: LB Vontaze Burfict's extension with Bengals is a four-year, $20 million deal, including $7.6 million this year.:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 So this year plus 4 more ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Montana Bengal| Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/20/bengals-reach-a-new-deal-with-vontaze-burfict/ With Andy Dalton taken care of, the Bengals are moving on to other business. The next in line is weakside linebacker, who has agreed to a multi-year extension with the team, according to Adam Caplan of ESPN. Adam Schefter says it’s a four-year, $20 million deal, with $7.6 million this year. He was entering the final year of his contract, but would have been a restricted free agent next year. While many were scared off of Burfict before the draft because of off-field concerns, the Bengals rolled the dice and found a consistent performer after signing him as an undrafted rookie in 2012. Now he’s been rewarded, and they continue to lock up the core of a good, young team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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