scharm Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dalton doesn't have the tools to be a champion. 80 something..... Give me Lewis and Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I think a fair question is this... Would you take bill belichick and Andy Dalton or Marvin Lewis and Tom Brady? Not necessarily at this point in their careers but from day 1. Id honestly chose Bill and Andy. Not that I have proof that would be the right choice, but I think the issues are bigger than Andy even though Andy isnt doing enough to overcome those issues. I think the biggest issues are at the top. I'd pick Bill and Andy cause he'd fucking get rid of that loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I think thats a great question that you posed. I would probably agree with you also. Although neither option comforts me. My take on this: Marvin is too much of a players coach. He's created a soft team. This team was pampered during training camp/pre-season in order to keep them healthy. How did that work out? You have guys basically begging to not play and Marvin certainly obliges. There's a reason guys on Denver come back so quickly from injuries. Its because they are invested in the team and WANT to play. Thats not the case here and there is no leadership in place that expects otherwise. This team simply does not care win. lose, or draw.Not in any meaningful way, at least. Mediocrity is accepted. And anywhere in life where mediocrity is accepted, mediocrity is delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 One of the many things that bothered me was they seemed like they simply didn't care. that right there is a reflection of the coaching staff and the head coach,which is one of the reasons why Marvin Lewis should have been fired last year and head coaching job should have been given to Mike zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I'd pick Bill and Andy cause he'd fucking get rid of that loser. If you honestly think that all this team needs is another QB, I would refer you to 2003-2010, not to mention every year before it. In other words, you're insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Keep shoveling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 You call it trolling, I call it stating the obvious. In a semi humorous fashion. You considered it trolling because it went against your views on Dalton. Turns out the 'trolls' are turning out to be correct and even you are seeing through the potential excuses you would have made for him in the past. And that's a good thing MESSAGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 If you honestly think that all this team needs is another QB, I would refer you to 2003-2010, not to mention every year before it. In other words, you're insane. I mean, Bill would take care of that shit too obviously lol. Thought that went without speaking. He's a winner. Marvin is so hilariously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dalton doesn't have the tools to be a champion. 80 something..... Give me Lewis and Brady Shows what you know scharm. Brady was an 80s something QB when he won 3 SBs with Belicheck. Low 90s at best. If you think Lewis would have won with Brady I dont know what to say to you besides that you dont know shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Shows what you know scharm. Brady was an 80s something QB when he won 3 SBs with Belicheck. Low 90s at best. If you think Lewis would have won with Brady I dont know what to say to you besides that you dont know shit. Brady's lowest TD total is 18, which he threw in 2001. Dalton is on pace for 14 in his 4th season. 90's rated QB in the "era" when the Patriots were winning super bowls was really fucking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Shows what you know scharm. Brady was an 80s something QB when he won 3 SBs with Belicheck. Low 90s at best. If you think Lewis would have won with Brady I dont know what to say to you besides that you dont know shit. It's pretty silly to tell somebody they don't know shit considering you're speaking of a hypothetical situation. You don't know shit either as it pertains to which 'couple' would be more successful in this hypothetical situation. There is nothing to know as it is an imaginary situation. You should stop your belligerence, especially considering it's your opinions that you consider(ed) to be true, that are turning out to be not as accurate as you once thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would take Bill and Andy, why? Because Bill would replace Marvin and then Bill would release Andy and Draft a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 It's pretty silly to tell somebody they don't know shit considering you're speaking of a hypothetical situation. You don't know shit either as it pertains to which 'couple' would be more successful in this hypothetical situation. There is nothing to know as it is an imaginary situation. You should stop your belligerence, especially considering it's your opinions that you consider(ed) to be true, that are turning out to be not as accurate as you once thought. I just think its funny that people will go so overboard in hating on AD that they will defend Marvin fucking lewis. Marvin has been here twice as long as AD and still has no playoff wins. Blame dalton, blame palmer, blame mike brown, blame whoever the hell you want. If you dont truly believe marvin is the biggest issue here...12 years proves otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I would take Bill and Andy, why? Because Bill would replace Marvin and then Bill would release Andy and Draft a better QB. Ding ding ding. That's one thing about him thats awesome. He doesn't hesitate to admit he fucked up with a pick. He cuts the fat quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I just think its funny that people will go so overboard in hating on AD that they will defend Marvin fucking lewis. Marvin has been here twice as long as AD and still has no playoff wins. Blame dalton, blame palmer, blame mike brown, blame whoever the hell you want. If you dont truly believe marvin is the biggest issue here...12 years proves otherwise. You see what you're doing here right? Your ingrained need to excuse Dalton has forced you to ask the question about Belicheck/Dalton vs Marvin/Brady. Who gives a shit about that hypothetical situation. What would any coach have done differently to not make Dalton throw the ball high numerous times, make horrible decisions numerous times, look pathetic, sail a noodle arm ball out of bounds when Sanu is wide open in the endzone, cross the LOS by 3 yds then still pass forwards....you think Marvin is making him do these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Don't get me wrong brady is awesome. But I still think under marvin the rest of the team will underperform in big games no matter who is qb. That doesn't happen under bellicheck. I'm ok with getting rid of both but if you have to choose one I think its a no brainier to get rid of marvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 You see what you're doing here right? Your ingrained need to excuse Dalton has forced you to ask the question about Belicheck/Dalton vs Marvin/Brady. Who gives a shit about that hypothetical situation. What would any coach have done differently to not make Dalton throw the ball high numerous times, make horrible decisions numerous times, look pathetic, sail a noodle arm ball out of bounds when Sanu is wide open in the endzone, cross the LOS by 3 yds then still pass forwards....you think Marvin is making him do these things? No I don't but Dalton isn't the only one that continuously under performs in big games is he? Defense always does aj does oline does. Yes maybe Andy the worst of all but everyone else does too. Name me 2 bengals that play their best in big gamss? Prob will take a while. Doesn't excuse Dalton just shows it's bigger than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 If Marvin had Brady as his QB, IMO he would be looked at much differently, more favorably. Brady has intangibles, heart, drive, focus.....that dude would win no matter who his coach was. And the thing about Brady, is that he actually has upper tier QB attributes. Players do the playing. Brady is by FAR a superior QB than Dalton. I guess if I was to play along with your question....I'd take Brady and Marvin all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Let's just say the Bengals release Dalton tomorrow. What team would pick him up? Now think, how long is it taking you to come up with a team? This is why Dalton sucks and will never lead a team through the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Let's just say the Bengals release Dalton tomorrow. What team would pick him up? Now think, how long is it taking you to come up with a team? This is why Dalton sucks and will never lead a team through the playoffs. Jets, Texans, skins, bucs, titans, rams, possibly bears, possibly panthers, Thats not counting places like Minnesota, Oakland, Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville where the jury is still out In other words, there aren't a lot of very good QB's in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 fifth worse qb rating since 1960 with 30+ pass attempts #andimthetroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Jets, Texans, skins, bucs, titans, rams, possibly bears, possibly panthers, Thats not counting places like Minnesota, Oakland, Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville where the jury is still out In other words, there aren't a lot of very good QB's in this league. I'm 100% sure all the teams you mentioned above who have less talent than us will still have a QB who will out perform Dalton this week and for the rest of the year. No reason for them to go backwards even more by picking up Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Jets, Texans, skins, bucs, titans, rams, possibly bears, possibly panthers, Thats not counting places like Minnesota, Oakland, Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville where the jury is still out In other words, there aren't a lot of very good QB's in this league. Possibly Bears? Panthers? Get out of here. Bridgewater looks promising, as does Derek Carr. Tannehill is playing very well and Bortles is not even 8 games into his career and you think these teams would rather have Andy Dalton? Everyone in the NFL knows who Andy Dalton is....most fans do as well. Others on the other hand, highly overvalue the very avg qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Possibly Bears? Panthers? Get out of here. Bridgewater looks promising, as does Derek Carr. Tannehill is playing very well and Bortles is not even 8 games into his career and you think these teams would rather have Andy Dalton? Everyone in the NFL knows who Andy Dalton is....most fans do as well. Others on the other hand, highly overvalue the very avg qb. You're obviously not thinking clearly. Bears aren't happy with Cutler. How do you know Trestman doesn't think Dalton could fit his offense? Cam is below-average, just like Dalton. Don't see any difference between the two. I love how your remarks about the rookies. What the heck do you think they were saying about Dalton after year one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 You're obviously not thinking clearly. Bears aren't happy with Cutler. How do you know Trestman doesn't think Dalton could fit his offense? Cam is below-average, just like Dalton. Don't see any difference between the two. I love how your remarks about the rookies. What the heck do you think they were saying about Dalton after year one? and after 4 years this is what they gonna get from Dalton. I'm sure if Dalton goes to the Bears his height will increase, his arm strength will increase and QB IQ will increase as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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