Arkansas Bengal Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Could Gruden be one and done in Washington? Posted by Mike Florio on November 20, 2014, 8:39 AM EST Getty Images The ongoing dysfunction in D.C. (dysfunction completely unrelated to the government, surprisingly) seems to be getting worse, not better. From Robert Griffin III’s way-too-smiley Bill Belichick homage to coach Jay Gruden acknowledging he went too far by calling out his quarterback for calling out teammates and for playing poorly, the stuff playing out in the public eye suggests that plenty of fireworks are flying behind the scenes. The biggest question percolating behind the scenes relates to the future status of Griffin, and Gruden. As to Griffin, it’s becoming more clear that the franchise will be inclined not to pick up the fifth-year option on its erstwhile franchise quarterback. Based on current cap numbers, the team would be committing $18.4 million to Griffin for 2016. Currently, he’s not anywhere close to being an $18.4 million quarterback. But with Washington already on the hook for $3.2 million in fully guaranteed base salary for 2015 under the final year of his rookie contract, it won’t be a surprise if Griffin remains on the roster — just as Jake Locker did in Tennessee and Christian Ponder did in Minnesota after their respective fifth-year options weren’t exercised earlier this year. A trade is possible, but a release makes a lot less sense, given that Griffin will be paid next year whether he’s on the team or not. As to the coach, a one-and-done arrangement would seem stunning on the surface. But it would be the fourth straight year and the fifth time in six seasons that an NFL coach loses his job after one year. In 2013, the Browns gave Rob Chudzinski the heave-ho after one year. In 2012, the Jaguars fired Mike Mularkey after one season. In 2011, the Raiders ran off Hue Jackson following one season as the non-interim coach. The Seahawks fired Jim Mora after the 2009 season, his only year as head coach. It also happened to former Dolphins coach Cam Cameron in 2007. Other one-and-out coaches since 1980 include Art Shell (Raiders, 2006), Al Groh (Jets, 2000), Ray Rhodes (Green Bay, 1999), Joe Bugel (Raiders, 1997), Pete Carroll (Jets, 1994), Richie Petitbon (Washington, 1993), Rod Rust (Patriots, 1990), and Les Steckel (Vikings, 1984). And it has happened in Washington under owner Daniel Snyder. In 2001, Snyder gave the keys to Marty Schottenheimer. After only one season, Snyder kicked Schottenheimer out of the front seat. And out of the car. With the franchise no better, and arguably even worse, than it was in 2013 under Mike Shanahan and in light of the glaring disconnect between Griffin and Gruden, Snyder could decide to extend the streak of NFL coaches fired after one year to four years. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/20/could-gruden-be-one-and-done-in-washington/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Alice Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If his last name was Smith, he never would've been hired in the first place. "One and done" is a distinct possibility. Dan Snyder thought his best move was to hire a guy that would coddle Robert Griffin III. As soon as he figures out that shit ain't gonna work, Gruden's out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Griffin has got to go. He's killing his team and his coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If his last name was Smith, he never would've been hired in the first place. "One and done" is a distinct possibility. Dan Snyder thought his best move was to hire a guy that would coddle Robert Griffin III. As soon as he figures out that shit ain't gonna work, Gruden's out the door. all true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If his last name was Smith, he never would've been hired in the first place. "One and done" is a distinct possibility. Dan Snyder thought his best move was to hire a guy that would coddle Robert Griffin III. As soon as he figures out that shit ain't gonna work, Gruden's out the door. Lets put it in perspective shall we: Ever since the knee injury RGIII doesn't run nearly as much. In 4 games this year he has 89 yards rushing but has lost 101 yards to sacks. Here is where the REAL problem is: He is only averaging 191 yards per game passing which includes a horrible 5.76 NET yards per attempt. He doesn't have a bad QB rating at 88 but we are not talking about a team that rushes the ball for 200 yards a game, far from it. Both Cousins and Colt McCoy (NO SNAPS #3) performed MUCH better than this. Without the ability to run, RGIII becomes nothing more than a tan Josh McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 As quickly as Superbowl winning coaches have been run out of that franchise, I don't see why Jay couldn't suffer the same fate. I think Synder is trying to pass Al Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 As quickly as Superbowl winning coaches have been run out of that franchise, I don't see why Jay couldn't suffer the same fate. I think Synder is trying to pass Al Davis. Everyone needs to remember what Snyder gave up to get RG3. They had the 6th pick, St. Louis was at #1 I believe. Snyder gave up the #6 and the second round pick as well as 2 first round picks in 2013 and 14 to move up 5 spots. There is no way Snyder is going to give up on RG3 yet. It would be an admission that he made one of the worst draft moves in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Everyone needs to remember what Snyder gave up to get RG3. They had the 6th pick, St. Louis was at #1 I believe. Snyder gave up the #6 and the second round pick as well as 2 first round picks in 2013 and 14 to move up 5 spots. There is no way Snyder is going to give up on RG3 yet. It would be an admission that he made one of the worst draft moves in NFL history. Mostly agree. If forced to choose between Gruden and RG3, he may stick with RG3 and try to bring in a new coach to get RG3 going. However, it seems like the other players on the team are very much off the RG3 bandwagon also. Really seems like he has very little support in that locker room and he has lost his last 9 starts. So if Snyder goes that direction, I expect it to blow up in his face. But Snyder may do it anyway, because he is a walking disaster of an NFL owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Oops, I thread bumped and put this same link there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Bengal Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 The Time Jay Gruden Called Out Andy Dalton, Just Like Robert Griffin III by Chris Lingebach November 20, 2014 9:43 AM Redskins coach Jay Gruden. (Photo by Patrick McDermott/Getty Images) WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – People received Redskins coach Jay Gruden calling out quarterback Robert Griffin III in different ways. Was Gruden simply reminding Griffin of his place, after the quarterback’s controversial postgame remarks brought on a wave of an unneeded attention to the team? Was he reasserting his position of power as commander and chief of the team’s 53-man roster? Or was he just reacting, completely in the moment, as the coach has admitted he’s done previously at the podium this season? Let’s take another look at Gruden’s quote. “Robert needs to understand he needs to worry about himself, No. 1, and not everybody else,” he said. “It’s his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position. It’s my job to worry about everybody else. And yes, everybody else needs to improve. There’s no question about it. But it’s not his place. His place is to talk about himself, and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much, and he’ll learn from it.” Allow yourself for a moment to strip Gruden’s words of their context. Forget the loss. Forget the Redskins losing record. Forget Robert Griffin’s diminishing returns. Only for a moment. Now direct your attention to some eerily similar remarks made by Gruden in March 2013, about a completely different quarterback, Andy Dalton. Gruden, then the offensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals, was asked on Cincinnati-based news talker WLW-AM what Dalton needed to improve upon that offseason. Transcription via Brad Gagnon: “Everything. There’s not one part of his game that he doesn’t need to improve,” Gruden said. “Hopefully some of our guys are working out with him and they’re throwing. But really, within the offseason, your arm strength, your strength, your footwork, basically your fundamentals of football. “And obviously he needs to get better with his deep ball accuracy and touch, and there’s not really one part of his game that he can’t improve upon. He has to get better in every phase — scramble ability, foot quickness, accuracy, deep accuracy, short, anticipation. He’s got a long way to go. He’s done some great things for a second-year quarterback, won a lot of games and thrown some good touchdown passes, but we feel like he has not come close to his potential. That’s our job to get it out of him. And he knows he’s gotta play better, and we all do.” It may also be worth noting how Gruden responded to the next question about Dalton. Question: Does it get under your skin when people pile onto him? Answer: “No, that’s the nature of the position,” Gruden said. “That’s what he signed up to be. He’s getting paid a pretty good chunk of change to be a quarterback, and any time you sign up to be a quarterback, you have to take the good with the bad. And one of the biggest strengths you have to have as a quarterback is being mentally tough. “And when things don’t go right, people are gonna be all over you; they’re gonna boo you, they’re gonna want you out of town, your coaches out of town, everybody. There’s a lot riding on the quarterback’s shoulders and that’s what he signed up to be. And he has to take that criticism and use it as fuel and make himself better.” Take from that what you will. Maybe it’s something — a window into Gruden’s philosophical ideology about pressing the right buttons with his quarterback — or it’s absolutely nothing. Just pure happenstance. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/20/the-time-jay-gruden-called-out-andy-dalton-just-like-robert-griffin-iii/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FulcherVulcher33 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Gruden sucks only reason he is in football is because of his brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 He isn't wrong about RGIII or Dalton though. The continuing quest for improvement should be the goal for any NFL player, especially at the QB position when you don't have elite skills throwing the ball, which neither of them has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 He isn't wrong about RGIII or Dalton though. The continuing quest for improvement should be the goal for any NFL player, especially at the QB position when you don't have elite skills throwing the ball, which neither of them has. Agree. Gruden us in a sticky situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Agree. Gruden us in a sticky situation His propensity for overly cutesy plays isn't helping his cause either. Simpler is better unless you have Peyton Manning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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