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Posting again simply to vent about what a miserable festering pile of shit this fucker is..  I guess there's a silver lining in that he's exposed an ugly section of America that a bunch of people (likely the very same ones, oddly enough) denied existed.  I keep telling myself "sunlight is the best disinfectant" but god damn is it ever disheartening to see the mold spread. At least when the fascists took over parts of Europe they were well-spoken & somewhat intelligent, in their own twisted fashion.  We're being led down the same road by a blithering dumbfuck from reality TV.  The closest this motherfucker comes to government should be an SEC investigation.

One of you more politically savvy folks reassure me that this rabid little shitweasel isn't getting elected. 

 I need a drink.

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I am seriously starting to see that Trump might just be the catalyst for a schism in the Republican party. It's looking more and more like the RNC is going to nominate someone other than Trump at the convention. Anyone who thinks he will simply step in line and support the nominee hasn't been paying attention. This could fracture the Republican base.

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I am seriously starting to see that Trump might just be the catalyst for a schism in the Republican party. It's looking more and more like the RNC is going to nominate someone other than Trump at the convention. Anyone who thinks he will simply step in line and support the nominee hasn't been paying attention. This could fracture the Republican base.

While I think it's possible or even likely, I could see the same thing happening with Billary & Sanders. I can't help but see the end of our 2-party system as a good thing.

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Don't get it twisted, I'm way smarter than you.  

So then tell me there smart guy

Is it her War Hawkisness and desire to overthrow governments or use of coops that makes her not a Republican?

That she calls Henry Kissenger someone she models herself after?

Her opposition to Hati's minimum wage increase? You know the one that raised their wages from 24 to 61 CENTS

Her support for the Iraq War which she called a "business opportunity"?

Her support for the crime bill which created the new jim crowe?

Or maybe it's her closeness with Wall St to the point that she refuses to break up the big banks?

Her support for Free Trade?

Her being against Gay Marriage until only 3 years ago?

Her position on the board of WalMart? The anti-union company.

Or anything else here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7QxF12S8g

 

 

Tell me all about why this former "Goldwater Girl" (you know Goldwater the guy that voted against the Civil Rights Act) isn't still a Republican?

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So then tell me there smart guy

Is it her War Hawkisness and desire to overthrow governments or use of coops that makes her not a Republican?

That she calls Henry Kissenger someone she models herself after?

Her opposition to Hati's minimum wage increase? You know the one that raised their wages from 24 to 61 CENTS

Her support for the Iraq War which she called a "business opportunity"?

Her support for the crime bill which created the new jim crowe?

Or maybe it's her closeness with Wall St to the point that she refuses to break up the big banks?

Her support for Free Trade?

Her being against Gay Marriage until only 3 years ago?

Her position on the board of WalMart? The anti-union company.

Or anything else here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7QxF12S8g

 

 

Tell me all about why this former "Goldwater Girl" (you know Goldwater the guy that voted against the Civil Rights Act) isn't still a Republican?

You posted a you-tube video from "Reich-Wing Watch" to prove your point?  Good Lord, do you have no shame?  They are almost the equivalent of "Red State"  on the other side.

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You posted a you-tube video from "Reich-Wing Watch" to prove your point?  Good Lord, do you have no shame?  They are almost the equivalent of "Red State"  on the other side.

Good job refuting the points Kenny.

But let's go through them one by one...I'll hold you hand...

Is it her War Hawkisness and desire to overthrow governments or use of coops that makes her not a Republican?

"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup (Democracy Now)

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup (Also Democracy Now)  - http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled

 

We were involved in a coop in Hondorus, were you not aware of that?

 

Or how about that she wants to overthrow Assad?

Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath  (HuffPost) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html

 

That she calls Henry Kissinger someone she models herself after?

Hilary Clinton's Henry Kissinger Praise Goes Back Years (Politico) - http://www.politico.com/blogs/democratic-debate-milwaukee-2016/2016/02/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-219183

From that article - "In 2014 Clinton reviewed Kissinger's New World Order book and called him a "friend" whose counsel she has "relied on."

 

Her opposition to Hati's minimum wage increase? You know the one that raised their wages from 24 to 61 CENTS

Hillary Clinton suppressed Haiti Minimum wage (Snoopes) - http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/

 

Her support for the Iraq War which she called a "business opportunity"?

Hillary Clinton Pitched Iraq as "Business Opportunity" for US Corporations - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/30/1426522/-Hillary-Clinton-Pitched-Iraq-as-a-Business-Opportunity-For-US-Corporations

 

Her support for the crime bill which created the new jim crowe?

Why Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve the Black Vote (the Nation, and written by Dr. Michelle Alexander, someone who I highly respect) - http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

 

Or maybe it's her closeness with Wall St to the point that she refuses to break up the big banks?

Hillary Clinton's take on Big Banks won't hold up (Rolling Stone, written by Matt Taibbi someone who has been on the front of the financial crisis since it started) - http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-take-on-banks-wont-hold-up-20151014

 

Her support for Free Trade?

Hillary Clinton's Free Trade Fake Out (Politico) - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-2016-free-trade-213231

 

Her being against Gay Marriage until only 3 years ago?

Hillary Clinton's changing position on Gay Marriage (politifact) - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

From the article....
"Our conclusion

Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.

As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.

It’s up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance, but on same-sex marriage we give Clinton a Full Flop."

 

Her position on the board of WalMart? The anti-union company.

As Director, Clinton moved WalMart board, but only so far (NY Times) - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=0

From the article...
"Fellow board members and company executives, who have not spoken publicly about her role at Wal-Mart, say Mrs. Clinton used her position to champion personal causes, like the need for more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program, despite being Wal-Mart’s only female director, the youngest and arguably the least experienced in business. On other topics, like Wal-Mart’s vehement anti-unionism, for example, she was largely silent, they said."

 

 

 

So now....you were saying?......

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Good job refuting the points Kenny.

But let's go through them one by one...I'll hold you hand...

Is it her War Hawkisness and desire to overthrow governments or use of coops that makes her not a Republican?

"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup (Democracy Now)

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup (Also Democracy Now)  - http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled

 

We were involved in a coop in Hondorus, were you not aware of that?

 

Or how about that she wants to overthrow Assad?

Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath  (HuffPost) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html

So, does Kennedy's desire to overthrow Fidel Castro make him a republican as well?  How about FDR?

 

That she calls Henry Kissinger someone she models herself after?

Hilary Clinton's Henry Kissinger Praise Goes Back Years (Politico) - http://www.politico.com/blogs/democratic-debate-milwaukee-2016/2016/02/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-219183

From that article - "In 2014 Clinton reviewed Kissinger's New World Order book and called him a "friend" whose counsel she has "relied on."

Oh, I guess you should only associate with people that believe exactly like you do, huh?  There are ZERO IDEAS on the other side that have any merit, correct?

 

Her opposition to Hati's minimum wage increase? You know the one that raised their wages from 24 to 61 CENTS

Hillary Clinton suppressed Haiti Minimum wage (Snoopes) - http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/

I guess to missed the point in the article you posted that the Hillary Clinton was the architect point was false, huh?

Her support for the Iraq War which she called a "business opportunity"?

Hillary Clinton Pitched Iraq as "Business Opportunity" for US Corporations - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/30/1426522/-Hillary-Clinton-Pitched-Iraq-as-a-Business-Opportunity-For-US-Corporations

 

Her support for the crime bill which created the new jim crowe?

Why Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve the Black Vote (the Nation, and written by Dr. Michelle Alexander, someone who I highly respect) - http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

What utter rubbish.  I'm actually amazed at how many folks on the left, want to act like the early nineties were these great black entrepreneurs just using the capitalistic system to develop a beneficial program for community, instead of actually being predators on their communities.  Now, did it go to far? Sure it did, because the militarization of our police departments, which are mostly run by white men and the symbiotic relationship of the prosecutor's offices, along with the republican idea to privatize the prisons developed a system of making our most vulnerable targets, and those people are generally from minority populations.

Or maybe it's her closeness with Wall St to the point that she refuses to break up the big banks?

Hillary Clinton's take on Big Banks won't hold up (Rolling Stone, written by Matt Taibbi someone who has been on the front of the financial crisis since it started) - http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clintons-take-on-banks-wont-hold-up-20151014

 

Her support for Free Trade?

Hillary Clinton's Free Trade Fake Out (Politico) - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-2016-free-trade-213231

 

Her being against Gay Marriage until only 3 years ago?

Hillary Clinton's changing position on Gay Marriage (politifact) - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

From the article....
"Our conclusion

Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.

As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.

It’s up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance, but on same-sex marriage we give Clinton a Full Flop."

 

Wouldn't that be most Americans, though?  In the nineties, the majority view in this Country was against Same-sex marriage, in fact, probably more so in my community, and in the early 2000's, the compromise position was civil unions.  So, she evolved, just like the rest of America.  I guess that's bad, huh?

Her position on the board of WalMart? The anti-union company.

As Director, Clinton moved WalMart board, but only so far (NY Times) - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=0

From the article...
"Fellow board members and company executives, who have not spoken publicly about her role at Wal-Mart, say Mrs. Clinton used her position to champion personal causes, like the need for more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program, despite being Wal-Mart’s only female director, the youngest and arguably the least experienced in business. On other topics, like Wal-Mart’s vehement anti-unionism, for example, she was largely silent, they said."

 

 

 

So now....you were saying?......

Here's what I'm saying.  If you want to be so far to the left that you require a "Purity Test" to be a Democrat, then you feel free to espouse it.  It's EXACTLY what the folks on the far right do, so I guess you fit right in with them.  

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So, does Kennedy's desire to overthrow Fidel Castro make him a republican as well?  How about FDR?

And how did that whole bay of pigs thing work out?

Oh, I guess you should only associate with people that believe exactly like you do, huh?  There are ZERO IDEAS on the other side that have any merit, correct?

Associate? Not at all. Take advice and council from a fucking war criminal?... You're joking right?

I guess to missed the point in the article you posted that the Hillary Clinton was the architect point was false, huh?

No I didn't miss it, but who was running the department when they pushed that?

What utter rubbish.  I'm actually amazed at how many folks on the left, want to act like the early nineties were these great black entrepreneurs just using the capitalistic system to develop a beneficial program for community, instead of actually being predators on their communities.  Now, did it go to far? Sure it did, because the militarization of our police departments, which are mostly run by white men and the symbiotic relationship of the prosecutor's offices, along with the republican idea to privatize the prisons developed a system of making our most vulnerable targets, and those people are generally from minority populations.

Which part was utter rubbish the calling Iraq a "business opportunity" (because that happened)... you dont get to spend 8 years rightfully going after W and not calling her to task for not just her vote on this but what she said about it. Fair is fair.

Or the part that your talking about black entrepreneurs ect that I never brought up? Because I brought up the policies (ie: the Clinton Crime Bill) that have created a New Jim Crow for Black Youth.

Maybe you ought to pay attention to what Michelle Alexander is talking about

 

Wouldn't that be most Americans, though?  In the nineties, the majority view in this Country was against Same-sex marriage, in fact, probably more so in my community, and in the early 2000's, the compromise position was civil unions.  So, she evolved, just like the rest of America.  I guess that's bad, huh?

Yes most Americans have had to come around on that, most Americans didn't wait until 2013 to do so. And of course Bernie had been on the right side of that for decades, but that is neither here nor there.

Here's what I'm saying.  If you want to be so far to the left that you require a "Purity Test" to be a Democrat, then you feel free to espouse it.  It's EXACTLY what the folks on the far right do, so I guess you fit right in with them.  

I dont need any purity test, but remember you said she wasnt a Republican, her policies that I have shown here say the opposite. 

What I DO need however is for Democrats to not be so fucking stupid that they have decided to put back into power the very people that deregulated the economy and gave us 2008 in the first fucking place!!

All because of Identity Politics.

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