WRAPradio Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 With the Chargers not re-signing Rivers, this will most likely make him a free agent next year. If this happens, and they don't trade him to TEN to move up to #2 in the draft this year, I think it would be smart for us to make a play for Rivers. He's obviously not the long-term answer at QB, but he's a proven QB. I don't know what the money would look like either; he'll be 34 next year and if he stays healthy you could probably get another two or three years out of him while you look for someone else in the draft. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 If Dalton has another bad year I would give it serious consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted April 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 It almost makes sense to try to trade for him this year assuming SD wants to trade up to get Mariotta. If we traded them our #1, Dalton and maybe a 4 or 5, they'd have 2 #1s this year and a #1 next year they could use to get to #2 and draft Mariotta. That actually may be too much for us to give up for a 33 y/o QB, but I think that would make us a true SB contender this year and possibly next if we we re-sign some of our big guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think Dalton is basically untraceable due to his cap number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 If Dalton has another bad year I would give it serious consideration. Lol. Start considering then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Never gonna happen but... Draft day Mariotta falls to pick 5 redskins on the clock. Three way trade: Redskins get picks 17, 21, Andy Dalton Chargers get pick 5 and take Mariotta Bengals get Rivers Skins get grudens hand picked Qb that he led to 3 playoff appearances and still get 2 first rounders. Chargers get the young Qb they want. Bengals get a vet Qb to push them over the edge. Win win win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Well they want to possibly meaning the Chargers, want to have a young QB drafted if Rivers does botch in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think Phillip is destined for the Titans. Played ball at NC State and grew up in Bama. Although if he did want to win, there may not be a better option outside of us. Maybe Houston, possibly Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think Phillip is destined for the Titans. Played ball at NC State and grew up in Bama. Although if he did want to win, there may not be a better option outside of us. Maybe Houston, possibly Buffalo. Rivers will have his choice of 10+ cities to choose from in FA. He's a different dude. Has 7 kids and doesn't want anything to do with moving the family to Los Angeles (which seems to be the main reason he hasn't signed an extension). Cincinnati's a good place to raise a family and maybe would have a shot, but I think you're right that he'd probably prefer somewhere in the South. Not to mention, if San Diego doesn't move to LA, I think he'd be highly likely to sign an extension as he loves San Diego. Just a ton of unknowns. And it's possible that the Chargers would franchise tag him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 id give a lot for Rivers right now.. though its likely a 1 year thing, no one is going from san diego to cincinnati any longer than they have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniwildcat38 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Rivers is actually an interesting comparison to Dalton at this stage in his career. The table below shows that through their first 4 years, Rivers and Dalton put up similar numbers - QB rating, completion %, yds per attempt, TDs per attempt and sack rate are all very close (I've converted values to per game to account for Rivers barely playing in his first two years). The only area where Rivers looks clearly better is interception %, and that is somewhat offset by his propensity for fumbling (I actually though Andy had fumbling issues, so was surprised by that aspect of the comparison). Rivers' 5th year was a real turning point in his career with a marked jump in almost every category. Hopefully Dalton's career can follow the same trajectory! Dalton Rivers (first 4 years) Rivers (after first 4 years) Att/G 33 26.4 33.3 Comp/G 20.3 16.1 21.8 Completion % 61.6 60.8 65.6 Yds/G 230.6 185.8 267.6 Yds/Att 6.99 7.04 8.04 TD % 4.69 4.63 5.58 Int % 3.13 2.63 2.6 QB rating 85.2 86.6 98 Fumbles/game 0.23 0.61 0.5 Sacks/att 5.68 5.58 6.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hint of Snow Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think Dalton is basically untraceable due to his cap number. Every QB is traceable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Can someone make a fake movie poster with Andy Dalton wearing some slick shades that says untraceable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Rivers is actually an interesting comparison to Dalton at this stage in his career. The table below shows that through their first 4 years, Rivers and Dalton put up similar numbers - QB rating, completion %, yds per attempt, TDs per attempt and sack rate are all very close (I've converted values to per game to account for Rivers barely playing in his first two years). The only area where Rivers looks clearly better is interception %, and that is somewhat offset by his propensity for fumbling (I actually though Andy had fumbling issues, so was surprised by that aspect of the comparison). Rivers' 5th year was a real turning point in his career with a marked jump in almost every category. Hopefully Dalton's career can follow the same trajectory! Dalton Rivers (first 4 years) Rivers (after first 4 years) Att/G 33 26.4 33.3 Comp/G 20.3 16.1 21.8 Completion % 61.6 60.8 65.6 Yds/G 230.6 185.8 267.6 Yds/Att 6.99 7.04 8.04 TD % 4.69 4.63 5.58 Int % 3.13 2.63 2.6 QB rating 85.2 86.6 98 Fumbles/game 0.23 0.61 0.5 Sacks/att 5.68 5.58 6.25 just as pointless as the dalton manning stats comparisons.. completely different decades, styles of play, surrounding cast, etc... utterly pointless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal27 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 just as pointless as the dalton manning stats comparisons.. completely different decades, styles of play, surrounding cast, etc... utterly pointless.. Agenda you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Agenda you say? It's called using common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's called using common sense. Yes, the offhand dismissal of any & all evidence that contradicts one's preconceived notions is the very definition of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 How in the actual fuck are Rivers and Dalton similar besides them simply playing the same position? Stop. Fucking stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Rivers would scream at AJ on the sidelines after he throws a ball 10 feet over his head, so I guess that's something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Alice Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 It's called using common sense. Common sense? Is that like suggesting the Bengals should trade Andy Dalton and their first round pick to rent Phillip Rivers for a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_dish Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Rivers is actually an interesting comparison to Dalton at this stage in his career. The table below shows that through their first 4 years, Rivers and Dalton put up similar numbers - QB rating, completion %, yds per attempt, TDs per attempt and sack rate are all very close (I've converted values to per game to account for Rivers barely playing in his first two years). The only area where Rivers looks clearly better is interception %, and that is somewhat offset by his propensity for fumbling (I actually though Andy had fumbling issues, so was surprised by that aspect of the comparison). Rivers' 5th year was a real turning point in his career with a marked jump in almost every category. Hopefully Dalton's career can follow the same trajectory! Dalton Rivers (first 4 years) Rivers (after first 4 years) Att/G 33 26.4 33.3 Comp/G 20.3 16.1 21.8 Completion % 61.6 60.8 65.6 Yds/G 230.6 185.8 267.6 Yds/Att 6.99 7.04 8.04 TD % 4.69 4.63 5.58 Int % 3.13 2.63 2.6 QB rating 85.2 86.6 98 Fumbles/game 0.23 0.61 0.5 Sacks/att 5.68 5.58 6.25 How does Rivers perform in big games and most importantly, playoffs? That's all I care about anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Common sense? Is that like suggesting the Bengals should trade Andy Dalton and their first round pick to rent Phillip Rivers for a year? That's called lack of sense, but it does seem to be common on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal27 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 How does Rivers perform in big games and most importantly, playoffs? That's all I care about anymore. Rivers at the end of his career has been to zero superbowls so let's rent him a year or two to get ours. Yep, common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_dish Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Rivers at the end of his career has been to zero superbowls so let's rent him a year or two to get ours. Yep, common sense Ah, so he is the only one on his team playing during the regular season games? No wonder they can't win. He needs 10 more players on the field with him. I don't care how a team gets to the playoffs, a QB that doesn't shit down his leg in every big game and playoff game (ala Flacco) is all I care about. It doesn't matter if he is mediocre in the regular season. Dalton isn't always the only weakness in these games- but he is the glaring, major weakness. Rivers is more often than not the strength in his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Ah, so he is the only one on his team playing during the regular season games? No wonder they can't win. He needs 10 more players on the field with him. If only you could apply this logic to the QB we already have. I don't care how a team gets to the playoffs, a QB that doesn't shit down his leg in every big game and playoff game (ala Flacco) is all I care about. It doesn't matter if he is mediocre in the regular season. Actually it does matter, quite a bit. You don't make the postseason to begin with otherwise. Kind of a cart-before-the-horse situation you've got there. Dalton isn't always the only weakness in these games- but he is the glaring, major weakness. Except for, y'know, when he isn't. Like the WC loss to the Colts, for example. Nothing stellar but he played plenty well enough to win. The glaring, major weakness there being that our receivers not named AJ can't get open or even stay on the field. Y'know, those WR's that are Top 3 in the league when you want to bash Dalton? Kinda nonexistent in the postseason there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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