|Lucid| Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think the entire tone of the article is that this was the obvious result of the cops actions. Which I think is false. As Meghann Harris put it, "if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too." On social media, eyewitnesses chronicled the dramatic police presence before the rioting began: Just because someone is "ready to pop off" doesn't mean they would. I have used similar language before in my life, and to this day I have never done so. Hell I have even said things to the effect of "Of he did that to me I'd kill him!". Does that mean I am contemplating murder or that I would excuse someone from murdering in that situation? Hell no. What you have there is just an expression to show some sympathy to someone in a situation. "If I were a kid in that situation I would be pissed off too!" There I said it. That doesn't mean I would riot, nor does that mean I excuse anyone who would. It's just saying that there was a reason for bad tempers. I used the word INFLAMED. Same thing. Actions were taken that made people angrier and made things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Just because someone is "ready to pop off" doesn't mean they would. I have used similar language before in my life, and to this day I have never done so. Hell I have even said things to the effect of "Of he did that to me I'd kill him!". Does that mean I am contemplating murder or that I would excuse someone from murdering in that situation? Hell no. What you have there is just an expression to show some sympathy to someone in a situation. "If I were a kid in that situation I would be pissed off too!" There I said it. That doesn't mean I would riot, nor does that mean I excuse anyone who would. It's just saying that there was a reason for bad tempers. I used the word INFLAMED. Same thing. Actions were taken that made people angrier and made things worse. But they did riot. I am not sure what your point is here. So your not blaming the cops for causing the riot or are you? Because you seem to be blaming them for quite a bit here. There is a big jump for me from being frustrated to looting stores and attacking cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 A Riot is the language of the unheard - MLK Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 A Riot is the language of the unheard - MLK Jr. What did he say about looting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 What did he say about looting? I imagine the whole thing is wrapped up in one big ball, but he didnt address looting specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UTcJwYVHi6w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 But they did riot. I am not sure what your point is here. So your not blaming the cops for causing the riot or are you? Because you seem to be blaming them for quite a bit here. There is a big jump for me from being frustrated to looting stores and attacking cops. :facepalm: Nevermind. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UTcJwYVHi6w There is a great video of Geraldo trying to get the Crips and bloods to say they had a truce and were going to kill cops and they wouldnt say it and they made him look terrible. It's amazing when you are so corrupt that the Crips and bloods could sue you for slander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 This is just a precursor to martial law across the entire US. They're coming for your guns... :) 1/2 :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 This is just a precursor to martial law across the entire US. They're coming for your guns... :) 1/2 :ninja: Did BengalBacker hack your account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Did BengalBacker hack your account? Yeah and he allowed Weston to use it also. You want to borrow it for awhile too so we can be fair ?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TbDcDaNJ7eo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 just gonna put this here (good on this cadet) http://thefreethoughtproject.com/apd-police-cadet-reports-fellow-officers-beating-homeless-man-resigns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 just gonna put this here (good on this cadet) http://thefreethoughtproject.com/apd-police-cadet-reports-fellow-officers-beating-homeless-man-resigns/ And I am going to paste this little snippet here from the article.. Since 2009, the troubled department has been involved in 47 shootings, 32 of which were fatal. Chief Eden has stated that these numbers reflect a “systemic failure in our ability to track employee misconduct.” In April of last year, the department was accused of using excessive force by the Justice Department after the frightening murder of the homeless James Boyd when he was approached for “illegally camping.” Boyd was shot by an officer who had discussed his plans to shoot him in the penis, hours prior to his death. Their own police chief openly admitted that he is stuck with officers who should not be on the force. While the APD may have lost a desperately needed actual “good cop”, the violent duo accused of the assault are currently on paid leave. “Based on our investigation, we have reasonable cause to believe that APD engages in a pattern or practice of use of excessive force, including deadly force, in violation of the Fourth Amendment and Section 14141. Our investigation included a comprehensive review of APD’s operations and the City’s oversight systems. We have determined that structural and systemic deficiencies—including insufficient oversight, inadequate training, and ineffective policies— contribute to the use of unreasonable force,” the Department of Justice wrote of the department. I'm sure Weston will find a way to defend these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 just gonna put this here (good on this cadet) http://thefreethoughtproject.com/apd-police-cadet-reports-fellow-officers-beating-homeless-man-resigns/ You know what really upsets me with this ? The accused is on PAID leave. Seems standard fare unfortunately. The heinous part of this incident is IMHO... He was " shot by an officer who had discussed his plans to shoot him in the penis, hours prior to his death. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 You know what really upsets me with this ? The accused is on PAID leave. Seems standard fare unfortunately. The heinous part of this incident is IMHO... He was " shot by an officer who had discussed his plans to shoot him in the penis, hours prior to his death. " I think you have to put them on paid leave just due to the fact that it may not always be true. Now what I would prefer is if the state can garnish the wages of any future job (if they arent incarcerated) for the time they were on that paid leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think you have to put them on paid leave just due to the fact that it may not always be true. Now what I would prefer is if the state can garnish the wages of any future job (if they arent incarcerated) for the time they were on that paid leave. I think you have a great idea. However, simply to give them PAID leave with no entanglements is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Regardless of who was to blame, this all seems like a massive blunder on the part of the police in the way things were handled. Assuming, of course, that it was indeed accidental. As for the rest of this... https://thenib.com/great-moments-in-peaceful-protest-history-44bdadb44cf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just a few words for what the United States is turning into... Jade Helm 15 I always enjoy watching military exercises taking place in the civilian community... Lest you think the US is not preparing for Urban Warfare, please view the overhead views of military bases. Lots of urban environment comparable to US and not middle east style of housing... Note: these urban areas are being installed where there were formerly middle east style areas, all within the last few years. This is just a precursor to martial law across the entire US. They're coming for your guns... :) 1/2 :ninja: Did BengalBacker hack your account? I don't care if you laugh at me Jamie. Common sense tells me there are a million things that could throw our society into chaos overnight, and common sense tells me the government is preparing for it. I wouldn't feel too comfortable if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creechnasty Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 i'm here, it truly is the end times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie_B Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I don't care if you laugh at me Jamie. Common sense tells me there are a million things that could throw our society into chaos overnight, and common sense tells me the government is preparing for it. I wouldn't feel too comfortable if I were you. I don't know that I think paranoia is common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 i'm here, it truly is the end times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkFyGNjaQ8k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I find that sign, divisive, offensive and not productive. This shouldn't be about white v black. This makes me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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