BengalBacker Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Again, trying to determine what you mean by "ISIS-type groups". IDK what ISIS has to do with anything - you brought them up. Who does Jamie think would consider him a martyr, the KKK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Who does Jamie think would consider him a martyr, the KKK? Like minded people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnickyCat Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 He was saying that about someone who thinks we have sympathy for this asshole. And if that is truly what you think then I agree with him, and also think that you can shove that straight up your ass.. If not, then no harm no foul, right? No harm no foul then with me at least because I have pretty much stated from the get go in an earlier post that however anyone feels on the subject that is their right. In fact I explicitly used those words (their right) twice in the same post. And for myself I only used the word sympathy to convey my feelings, no one elses. People have that right to feel the way they do on either side of the death penalty issue. I know some feel strongly that it is nothing more than vengance....and again that is their right. But others also feel that it is just(ice) punishment...also their right. I see neither thought as ignorant, stupid, not too bright etc and the calling of one sides opinion as such...that is what I took offense with. To take a cue from another post of yours here....Just to be clear...I personally don't think anyone on either side of this issue feels sympathy for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 No harm no foul then with me at least because I have pretty much stated from the get go in an earlier post that however anyone feels on the subject that is their right. In fact I explicitly used those words (their right) twice in the same post. And for myself I only used the word sympathy to convey my feelings, no one elses. People have that right to feel the way they do on either side of the death penalty issue. I know some feel strongly that it is nothing more than vengance....and again that is their right. But others also feel that it is just(ice) punishment...also their right. I see neither thought as ignorant, stupid, not too bright etc and the calling of one sides opinion as such...that is what I took offense with. To take a cue from another post of yours here....Just to be clear...I personally don't think anyone on either side of this issue feels sympathy for this guy. :good3: Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't look at it like vengeance instead of justice. We have laws that say if you commit a crime you forfeit your life. He did it. So it's time to pay your debt. To me that is justice. Why keep people locked up for 40, 50 or more years if you have no intentions of them ever getting out? What "good" comes from that? There are good people that could use the money for food and shelter that is being wasted on this person that you have obviously given up on. Also I couldn't care less what people think of him after he is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Why The Death Penalty Should Live Adrianne Haslet-Davis If you take lives, yours can be taken I hadn’t put a lot of thought into the death penalty until I was lying on a sidewalk on Boylston Street two years ago. There, then, I believed that I was going to die and that my husband was already dead. But we’re still alive. I lost my leg below the knee; both of his legs were wounded. We are lucky. And I also decided early on that the death penalty was the verdict that I wanted for him. I believe in my heart of hearts that he knew exactly what he was doing the moment before he did it, and possibly months before that. Among other horrific charges, he used a weapon of mass destruction to intentionally harm and kill people.When I woke up in the hospital, I decided not to use the name of the person on trial for the crimes against the two of us and more than 260 other people, including four murder victims, one of whom was 8 years old. Part of posttraumatic stress disorder is the feeling of losing control: one minute you’re holding your husband’s hand in beautiful, sunny Boston; the next, your life is changed forever. The killer never wanted to learn my name, so why should I learn his? You can’t use a weapon of mass destruction in the United States and not think that if you succeed, you’re going to face a federal jury and the possibility of the death penalty. It must have been nice for him to be surrounded by a courtroom full of people fighting about whether he should live or die. None of us in Boston that day had such a luxury. I testified in the penalty phase of the trial. When I was leaving the stand, I looked up and realized how close I was to him. I stood there and thought to myself, I wonder if he’s scared. I wonder if he’s scared that I’m this close. There didn’t seem to be security covering him. Nobody budged. Maybe it’s because of my tiny little arms that they didn’t think I could do much. I certainly know I really wanted to. But I stood there. I stood there for myself, and I stood there for the survivor community, and I stood there for my husband, and I stood there for my left leg. Since that moment I feel like there’s a bit of closure for me. I’m never going to have to see him again. Many in the survivor community feel like the death penalty offers a sense of justice being done. And that’s what his sentence felt like to me. I hope it also brings closure to those who lost loved ones that day. There are, of course, many in the survivor community who feel that he should spend his life in prison and sit in a cell and think about what he did. I don’t speak for everybody. I hope that the death penalty in this case sets a precedent, and I hope that it’s a deterrent. I hope it sends a message from Boston and America: We don’t put up with terrorism or terrorists. You’re not going to get a bed or a television or an occasional phone call to your family. When you take lives, yours can be taken as well. Nobody should ever have to go through what anyone in our Boylston Street family has. If anyone else is thinking of doing something like this, I hope they look long and hard at the sentence this guy got, and decide to change their minds and get the help that they need. Haslet-Davis is a ballroom dancer, public speaker and philanthropist http://time.com/3899556/why-the-death-penalty-should-live/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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