Guest bengaljet Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Aug 9 2005, 09:47 PM'] Agreed... (however it was said, by I believe Osama or Sadam dont remember which, that we as a country were not ready for the type of war they would bring, in reference to our resolve... seems this is proving to be true) I never thought the Mission was Accomplished, and I dont think it will be any time soon. Nor do I think it will be in tearms of what we should want from this war, a strong Iraq that is our parter and one that lives in peace, this isnt going to happen in our lifetimes, maybee well be lucky if their grandchildren see this. For every Foxnews, there is a CNN so, I dont follow what your saying here, if you mean do I want us to release all documents concerning this war, not untill its over and our boys are home and not if it risks national security, otherwise Id like things released sure. I never said it wasnt. Does that even mean anything? Im sorry to hear that, I hope it will not be in vein, but it is waaaaay to early to make that call. [right][post="127681"][/post][/right][/quote] Am I supposed to feel that my thoughts have been "broken down"?-I DON"T. Does that mean anything?---Do you want to see W's profound words(WAR IS HARD) put on the screen to prove he's right or do you want the story about a swingset put up ? If you show the swingset-that's not showing that"War is hard". Waaay to early to tell-seems as if some of your support has" MADE " that call for you. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//27.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengaljet' date='Aug 9 2005, 11:16 PM']Am I supposed to feel that my thoughts have been "broken down"?-I DON"T. Does that mean anything?---Do you want to see W's profound words(WAR IS HARD) put on the screen to prove he's right or do you want the story about a swingset put up ? If you show the swingset-that's not showing that"War is hard". Waaay to early to tell-seems as if some of your support has" MADE " that call for you. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//27.gif[/img] [right][post="127705"][/post][/right][/quote] huh? Ive lost your train of thought, can you try to explain it better, or are you just getting in a pissing contest here? I honestly have no idea what your even saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/cybermoe/bush-cocaine.jpg[/img] [i]Well we know Junior used to have hookups in S America [/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Hugo Chavez ran FAIR elections (checked by the U.N., which is further than we got) and won again, so... The US isnt going to do anything to Chavez (publically, they might Allende him) because he has Oil. I personally like the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengaljet Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='steggyD' date='Aug 9 2005, 09:17 PM']Do you think that many people are going to vote Democrat now ? I hope you are kidding bengaljet. What I mean, is that, just because someone does not support Bush now, that does not mean they are switching parties and political ideals. [right][post="127665"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I never said anything about the vote,BUT....if they ? the direction or policy do you think that'll make them" more likely" to vote for a policy that they DISAGREE with?If they ? the War,then take a serious look at things like the "GROWING" National Debt(under W),trade deficit(under W),oil prices(Repubs"damned that Clinton when gas went over $1.00/gal."---Repubs.Q-U-I-E-T as a church mouse now)---they may be confused. I know W has a direct line to God-God told him to go after Iraq. Do you think any of the supporters that changed their minds about Iraq are wondering if God gave W some bad information? Will any switch their vote-hell I don't know---but they have asked a serious ? about maybe the most IMPORTANT issue of the day-IRAQ. Their ? seems to be "WHY" and "is this the RIGHT(correct)War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengaljet Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Aug 9 2005, 10:07 PM']Reference: Vietnam, Korea... Our resolve goes both ways, but I hope your right, I hope it does get finished correctly. [right][post="127689"][/post][/right][/quote] BUT it has to be the RIGHT or CORRECT War 1st (Bin Laden is not in Iraq-remember him + 9/11= who we WANT ). You don't need to try to change my mind-you need to change the minds of those that supported the war and have since(or is it sense) changed. Oh yeh,Jamie on explaining that 1 post of mine .I'll explain when you go back to your post (at 9:47pm-reply to my post) and give MORE detail on your replies--just too chopped up and I don't understand. Thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengaljet' date='Aug 10 2005, 03:01 AM']BUT it has to be the RIGHT or CORRECT War 1st (Bin Laden is not in Iraq-remember him + 9/11= who we WANT ). You don't need to try to change my mind-you need to change the minds of those that supported the war and have since(or is it sense) changed. Oh yeh,Jamie on explaining that 1 post of mine .I'll explain when you go back to your post (at 9:47pm-reply to my post) and give MORE detail on your replies--just too chopped up and I don't understand. Thanx [right][post="127772"][/post][/right][/quote] Jet wether you believe we went to war for the right reasons (Im not 100% convinced myself), I hope you at least believe we must see this through... I hope we can at least agree on that. As far as explaining myself in the other post, what specificly would like me to explain further? Id be happy to, but please lets not make this another thread where you and I are just yelling at each other, its not productive, and if thats where this is going Ill just bow out now and leave you to your anger, if not then Ill be happy to further explain myself if you tell me what you want explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengaljet' date='Aug 9 2005, 08:36 PM']IF being in Iraq was the "RIGHT" thing to do-TIME DOES NOT MATTER. So they changed because "Mission Accomplished" didn't turn out to be the truth? [right][post="127677"][/post][/right][/quote] Of course time matters. If news of soldiers dying wasn`t blasted on the news 24 hours a day for the past few months then support wouldn`t be dropping... Anyway I don`t understand how people couldn`t support this war ? To not support it is wanting us to fail... And when Bush said "Mission Accomplished" he was talking about taking out the Saddam Regime...:duh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 if the media was the same now as it was in the past: 1. the civil war would have turn this country into two... no chance that americans killing americans would have gone over well... slavery would have lived on much longer... 2. wwii would have been the biggest mistake that we ever made, considering all the deaths for something that had nothing to do w/ us.. remember, we attacked germany after we were blind sided by japan... that does sound remotely familiar to nowadays though... we got a tough lesson after vietnam, b/c the media controls more than our gov't wanted to admit... it is a good thing, to keep the tradition of being th best and most compassionate country in the world, but it also beats a constant drum of how war is always bad (agreed) and this is a needless war (don't agree)... the media is our most powerful enemy b/c democracy depends on the people... if we keep hearing how 1800 people died everyday, it wears on even the biggest war supporters... i thank God, that bush made a decision and has stuck w/ it... and iraq was supporting terrorism including al qaeda... take saddams word that he quit producing and wouldn't produce wmd's anymore , but i take my countries word for it, and just want it all to end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengaljet Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='steggyD' date='Aug 9 2005, 09:17 PM']Do you think that many people are going to vote Democrat now ? I hope you are kidding bengaljet. What I mean, is that, just because someone does not support Bush now, that does not mean they are switching parties and political ideals. [right][post="127665"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Food for thought. Saw article in Columbus Dispatch today(8/10/05) Sect A9. Talks about recent race for Ohio's 2nd Congressional District. Paul Hackett(D)48% vote,Iraqi War Vet vs Rep. Jean Schmidt® 52% vote.This in a district that W got 64% of the vote in Nov. GOP says it was flaws in her campaign+candidacy."The search for a scapegoat is the surest sign the GOP knows something is badly wrong." Hackett did not speak highly of W in his campaign-did that help him or hurt him?I heard this was the 1st time Hackett had run for any office. Cincy natives on here can give their thoughts on why it was so close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengaljet' date='Aug 10 2005, 01:33 PM']Food for thought. Saw article in Columbus Dispatch today(8/10/05) Sect A9. Talks about recent race for Ohio's 2nd Congressional District. Paul Hackett(D)48% vote,Iraqi War Vet vs Rep. Jean Schmidt 52% vote.This in a district that W got 64% of the vote in Nov. GOP says it was flaws in her campaign+candidacy."The search for a scapegoat is the surest sign the GOP knows something is badly wrong." Hackett did not speak highly of W in his campaign-did that help him or hurt him?I heard this was the 1st time Hackett had run for any office. Cincy natives on here can give their thoughts on why it was so close. [right][post="128043"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] yeah, and anyone that lives in the greater cincy area knows exactly why... the commercial that ran, w/ him saying that he supports bush and the war and it never said one time, that he was a democrat... if he runs as a liberal democrat, that opposes the war, and wants to raise cincinnatis taxes, and ther would be a HUGE difference int eh vote... its very, very obvious that a liberal can't win in the greater cincy area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengaljet Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Aug 10 2005, 01:43 PM']yeah, and anyone that lives in the greater cincy area knows exactly why... the commercial that ran, w/ him saying that he supports bush and the war and it never said one time, that he was a democrat... if he runs as a liberal democrat, that opposes the war, and wants to raise cincinnatis taxes, and ther would be a HUGE difference int eh vote... its very, very obvious that a liberal can't win in the greater cincy area... [right][post="128052"][/post][/right][/quote] Film clip that I saw of Hackett talking about W was words to the efect"that he wouldn't follow W anywhere". Why didn't the Repubs play that during the campaign(I saw Hackett on 10TV,CBS out of Columbus,also on CNN or Fox or MSNBC). The report was that it was going to be a close race-Hackett vs W's policies and the lady- a pro W supporter. Did they take the (D) away from his name in the voting booth? Did they take the ® away from her name in the voting booth? Hackett was definitely anti-W and ALMOST won. The ads I saw Hacket made no mistake what he thought of W and the GOP didn't use that vs him?-odd don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Aug 9 2005, 10:51 PM']Then read them and give some constructive criticism. You think maybe the # is changing because of the length of time we've been in Iraq? I do. Also do you think there is real coverage of the War? Is there not truth to the idea "if it bleeds it leads", and maybe that is why the support for things seems to be dwindling? Go and read my thread entitled "Michael Yon : Online Magazine", its a blog of someone is actually there in Iraq, its pretty fair and accurate. Not everything is positive and not everything is negitive. Give me more than "who posts more wins". [right][post="127667"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] But Jamie, if we search long enough, we can find bloggers who write the exact opposite. While I do believe we are doing some good in Iraq, the negative reaction of the world and the results that can stem from that is not worth it IMO. NOt to mention the war was illegal to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='CP1' date='Aug 10 2005, 03:31 PM']But Jamie, if we search long enough, we can find bloggers who write the exact opposite. While I do believe we are doing some good in Iraq, the negative reaction of the world and the results that can stem from that is not worth it IMO. NOt to mention the war was illegal to begin with. [right][post="128099"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Did you read any of the Blog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Aug 10 2005, 01:58 AM']Hugo Chavez ran FAIR elections (checked by the U.N., which is further than we got) and won again, so... The US isnt going to do anything to Chavez (publically, they might Allende him) because he has Oil. I personally like the guy [right][post="127756"][/post][/right][/quote] THe US tried to kill him once, you think it will happen again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 [quote name='bengaljet' date='Aug 10 2005, 02:01 PM']Film clip that I saw of Hackett talking about W was words to the efect"that he wouldn't follow W anywhere". Why didn't the Repubs play that during the campaign(I saw Hackett on 10TV,CBS out of Columbus,also on CNN or Fox or MSNBC). The report was that it was going to be a close race-Hackett vs W's policies and the lady- a pro W supporter. Did they take the (D) away from his name in the voting booth? Did they take the ® away from her name in the voting booth? Hackett was definitely anti-W and ALMOST won. The ads I saw Hacket made no mistake what he thought of W and the GOP didn't use that vs him?-odd don't ya think? [right][post="128071"][/post][/right][/quote] the commercial that ran about 2 million times, started w/ a video of giving a speech about (paraphrasing) "the biggest honor is serving your country" and then hackett comes on and says something like "i agree w/ the president, and thats why i support the war"... i did read where he bashed bush in some article, but that was about 2 days before the election and it wasn't seen anywhere else until then... hackett used his military action and BUSH to promote himself... he may be anti-war, but he didn't come off that way to anyone that saw the commerical... ask anyone here if they saw it... i would bet that their first reaction was "he is the republican" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 [quote name='CP1' date='Aug 10 2005, 03:37 PM']THe US tried to kill him once, you think it will happen again? [right][post="128102"][/post][/right][/quote] They've been after Fidel for years now. But yeah, you never can tell what they will do. edit: and I said they weren't going to do anything to him publically, leaving the possibility open for a Salvador Allende type of operation where a Democratically-Elected Socialist is killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I really don't care if other countries like or hate us. It sure wouldn't be a new situation for our fledlgling empire, regardless of what the media leads you (us) to believe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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