Guest BlackJesus Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/meast/08/15/gaza.pullout/story.moragmonday.ap.jpg[/img][img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/meast/08/15/gaza.pullout/story.settlementmonday.ap.jpg[/img][img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/meast/08/15/gaza.pullout/story.soldiers.arrive.jpg[/img] [u]Gaza pullout proceeds despite some violence Israeli soldiers serve eviction notices on Jewish settlers August 15, 2005 CNN[/u] GAZA CITY (CNN) -- The first day of Israel's historic pullout from Gaza and parts of the West Bank sparked some violence on Monday, but no injuries or damage were reported, the Israeli military said. Soldiers were issuing eviction notices to settlers informing them they have until Wednesday to leave, or be removed by force. The withdrawal of Israeli forces and settlers marks the first such move in the West Bank and Gaza since Israel occupied the territories after the Six-Day War in 1967. The move aims to revitalize Israeli peace efforts with the Palestinian Authority. Thousands of Israeli troops and Palestinian security forces were ready to react to unrest, officials said, and Israeli soldiers began sealing off all 21 Gaza settlements and four of the approximate 120 in the West Bank. Settlers who cooperate will receive Israeli government compensation for the loss of their homes. While the amount will vary, the aid package approved by the Knesset totals $870 million. There are two main issues cited by Israeli opponents of the disengagement plan. Some settlers say they believe that Gaza is part of the traditional Jewish homeland. Other, secular, Israelis oppose the pullout on security grounds, believing the move rewards terrorists and will lead to more attacks from Palestinian militant groups that want to destroy Israel. In an address broadcast to the nation Monday night, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said the disengagement is being carried out with "great anguish" -- but is necessary and good for Israel. "The disagreement over the disengagement plan has caused severe wounds, bitter hatred between brothers and severe statements and actions," Sharon said. "I understand the feelings, the pain and the cries of those who object. However, we are one nation even when fighting and arguing." Sharon , who has invested much of his political future in the disengagement plan, said at one point he had hoped Israel would be able to "hang on" to the Gaza settlements, but he said he changed his mind. "We can't hang on to Gaza forever where there are more than a million Palestinians who are doubling their numbers by the generation," Sharon said. "This plan is good for Israel in any future scenario. We are reducing the day-to-day friction and its victims on both sides." As Israeli soldiers handed out evictions, Palestinians were cheering the voluntary withdrawal. Sharon said a "burden" will be on the Palestinians after Israel leaves. "Now the Palestinians bear the burden of proof," he said. "They must fight terror organizations, dismantle its infrastructure and show sincere intentions of peace in order to sit with us at the negotiating table. "The world awaits the Palestinian response -- a hand offered in peace or continued terrorist fire. To a hand offered in peace, we will respond with an olive branch. But if they chose fire, we will respond with fire, more severe than ever." [u]Protesters block soldiers[/u] At the largest single Jewish settlement in Gaza on Monday, Neveh Dekalim, police reported rioting around the time troops closed the border at midnight. At one point, about 300 people were involved, police said, with some protesters blocking Israeli soldiers. But the situation was reported to be calm by 2:30 a.m. A few hours later, mortar shells fell in Neveh Dekalim and in nearby Gadid, causing no injuries or damage, the Israel Defense Forces said. In the Jewish settlements of Kfar Darom and Netzarim, police said, Palestinian militants were shooting at the remaining settlers. At the settlement of Morag on Monday, several dozen settlers and nonresident protesters briefly blocked Israeli soldiers from entering the settlement. The standoff ended after negotiations, which sometimes became emotional. (Full story) About 16 families remained in Morag after the midnight deadline, along with an estimated 300 infiltrator protesters, Israeli officials said. About 5,000 anti-pullout protesters -- mostly Israeli youths who are not settlers -- have entered Gaza in recent days, said Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, IDF chief of staff. Palestinians deploy police Palestinian leadership dispatched 7,500 police and security forces near Jewish settlements in southern Gaza, officials said. About 20,000 Palestinian police and security personnel plan to take part in preventing attacks and violence. Palestinian Cabinet Minister Nabil Sha'ath said security forces will be up to the challenge. "Our security forces are fully deployed now close to settlement areas in coordination with Israeli authorities," he said Monday. "We are ready ... We will keep the peace and protect and take over." Once the settlers are gone, Israel plans to withdraw its troops from Gaza by the beginning of October -- the start of the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana. But it remained unclear whether Palestinian leaders will be able to maintain security after Israeli forces depart. Top officials have vowed to quickly bring order, and the United States and Israel have offered help. But Palestinian analysts have said Hamas and other militant groups may seek to gain political advantage in the new Gaza landscape. Hamas, listed by the United States and Israel as a terrorist group, has described the pullout as a sign its efforts have succeeded. The group has told Palestinian leadership it will not interfere in the withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/01.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Settlers try to prevent Israeli troops from entering the Neve Dekalim settlement on Monday. Israeli troops handed out eviction notices across Gaza on Monday. Israel plans to withdraw all 21 Jewish settlements from Gaza and four from the West Bank, a move some settlers are resisting. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/02.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Youths stand behind a fence at Neve Dekalim in an effort to keep soldiers out. Protesters have adopted the color orange to signify opposition to withdrawal. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/03.mon.ap.jpg[/img] An Israeli army officer and a settler come face-to-face in Neve Dekalim. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/04.mon.ap.jpg[/img] A protester -- wearing an orange bracelet in opposition to disengagement -- weeps while praying at the Netzer Hazani settlement. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/05.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Settlers stand behind a locked gate in Neve Dekalim. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/06.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Settlers reach through barbed wire set up to prevent troops from entering the settlement of Netzer Hazani. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/07.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Settlers stand at a locked gate in Neve Dekalim. [img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/08.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Palestinians celebrate news that the withdrawals are going forward in the Ein-el-Hilweh refugee camp near Sidon, southern Lebanon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 [u]Disengagement TimeLine[/u] August 15: Starting at 00:01 a.m., it will be illegal for settlers to remain in Gaza and the northern West Bank. Israeli officials will go from house to house asking the residents to leave. August 17: About 55,000 soldiers and police will be sent in to evict any settlers and supporters who remain. September 15: Authorities estimate all Israeli settlers will be out of Gaza by this time, according to Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz. October 3: Israel also plans to withdraw troops from Gaza by Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, which falls on October 3 this year. [img]http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0508/timeline.gaza.pullout/gallery.israeli.flag.ap.jpg[/img] [b]Get that fucking flag off your stolen land Bitch [/b] [u]Settler: 'I feel betrayed' Gaza settlement of Morag faces reality August 15, 2005[/u] MORAG, Gaza (Reuters) -- Jewish settler Yuval Unterman glared as the Israeli soldier on his doorstep nervously handed him an eviction notice on Monday. His wife grabbed the paper and tore it up before breaking into sobs. Unterman cut through his shirt with a pair of scissors in a traditional Jewish mourning ritual. "I feel betrayed," he told the army officer, who kept looking at the ground and struggled for words. Soldiers who went to Jewish settlements in occupied Gaza to urge inhabitants to leave voluntarily within 48 hours or be dragged away were met with a mixture of messianic defiance, admonitions to respect family values, and weary resignation. Some of the 21 settlements, like Morag where Unterman lives, let in troops to go door to door only after prolonged, furious arguments at their padlocked entry gates. In some settlements, soldiers retreated after residents barricaded the entrances with cars, tractors and burning tires. Protesting settlers linked hands and swayed in prayer and song. Soldiers avoided some enclaves entirely after word spread that the reception would be irretrievably hostile. But in others, even in some that had resentfully kept soldiers out, many settlers suddenly abandoned vows of passive resistance in favor of packing up moving vans and departing by Wednesday to avoid losing out on promised state compensation. Israel cut off access to Gaza settlements at midnight on Sunday, launching a plan to "disengage" settlers and soldiers from some of the territory it captured in the 1967 Middle East war and where Palestinians have been in revolt since 2000. When army officers bearing eviction notices came to Morag after daybreak, they found locked gates and scores of settlers including mothers with babies in strollers massed behind it. They shouted at the officers to go away. The officers stayed patiently, trying to reason with the settlers but getting little in return but screamed denunciations of the evacuation plan and tearful pleas not to uproot salt-of-the-earth families. The encounters were chilly, awkward and at times traumatic, evoking the split in close-knit Israeli society wrought by the pullout plan, which is favored by a narrow, secular majority. "We all have a Jewish heart," argued settlers, reflecting the view of rightist Jews that the plan betrays a birthright to the land God promised the Jews in the Bible and also surrenders to Palestinian violence. Palestinians regard Jewish settlers, who number 240,000 -- most of them in West Bank enclaves Prime Minister Ariel Sharon vows to keep forever -- as illegal usurpers of their land intent on dashing their dream of a viable state. After a two-hour standoff, the Morag settlers grudgingly let the officers come in and go door to door. One settler could do little but weep and a soldier put his arm around him for comfort, a scene repeated in other enclaves. "We came here with good intentions. But it isn't easy. The Israeli army wasn't designed to fight other Jews, but these are the government's orders," said a colonel leading the officers. After Unterman's wife shredded the eviction notice, the couple planted two small trees in their yard and watered them. A neighbor, Yaakov Reuven, 48, accepted the eviction notice, then slumped in a backyard chair, staring at the ground. Dazed disbelief seem to pervade Morag as the officers wound up their tour. Moving containers appeared in the streets. The enclave of Netzer Hazani drove away soldiers with a blockade of teenage bodies, cars and a forklift vehicle. People hung Israeli flags from the gate. They painted the gate orange -- standard of the anti-pullout movement. "On Friday I planted 10,000 new heads of celery, because I believe (we will stay)," said Netzer Hazani farmer Anita Tucker. But beyond the many public threats of resistance or utterings of faith in divine intervention against forced evacuation, settler departures appeared to accelerate on Monday. Some 300 of the 1,500 settler families left after receiving eviction notices, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said. His aides estimated less than half the 9,000 settlers due to be uprooted from Gaza and the West Bank would remain by Wednesday. Gaza is home to 1.4 million Palestinians. Some 2.4 million Palestinians live in the West Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 [b][color="blue"]the other side[/color][/b] [u]Palestinian: Withdrawal a victory for peace efforts Family is scarred, but not resentful Aug 13th, 2005 From Ben Wedeman CNN[/u] DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza (CNN) -- Living on the edge of an Israeli settlement in Gaza, Khalil Bashir has been wounded by Israeli shrapnel. An Israeli soldier once shot his son in the back. And Israeli troops have occupied his home near an Israeli settlement. But the Palestinian school principal still considers the Israelis friends and teaches his children to do the same. "Suppose I think of taking revenge. What is the result? What is the outcome?" Bashir asked. "I do believe that to forgive gives room for changing the mentality." When the Israeli settlement of Kfar Darom is evacuated in the coming days, the Bashir family will be able to accept visitors without permission from the military for the first time in five years. That was when Israeli soldiers moved into the top two floors of his home. The soldiers had asked Bashir and his family to leave, but he refused. "They repeated their order three times. I refused," he said. "They said if you don't want to leave, you must follow the stringent restrictions." As a result, the family has endured battles between the soldiers and militants trying to infiltrate the nearby settlement. Their home is scarred with bullet holes and damage from missiles. In April 2001 bullets crashed through the bedroom window, and shrapnel ripped into Bashir's skull. Last year an Israeli soldier shot Bashir's then 15-year-old son Yusif in the back in the presence of United Nations personnel. The incident attracted the attention of international media. The Israeli Army apologized for the shooting, and Yusif was treated in Israel. The bullet still lodged in his spine, the Palestinian teen harbors no resentment. "I love the Israelis because one day they saved my life," he said. "So if the soldier will change his uniform, (he) can speak with me without any problem." Yusif spend three weeks at a Seeds of Peace camp in Maine, which brings together Israeli and Palestinian youths in an effort to foment better relations. Donning a "Seeds of Peace" T-shirt, a cheery Yusif said he planned to become an "ambassador of peace" for the program. The Bashirs have received thousands of letters of support over the years. Khalil Bashir said he plans to throw a party at his home to celebrate the pullout as a chance to put the past behind. "I don't look upon their withdrawal as a victory," he said. "The only winner is the cause of peace." Friends and family will not have to request permission from the Israeli military to attend the Bashirs' party. Khalil Bashir said everyone -- even Jewish settlers and Israeli soldiers -- is invited to the party. "We must not let our wounded memory guide our future," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 [url="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/mideast/"]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/mideast/[/url] good non-biased site to learn more about the road map and implications. [url="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/mideast/mideast101/"]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/mideast/mideast101/[/url] [color="blue"][b]some good videos here too, that help explain the story [/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Scales Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 There are some unbelievably hot Israileee women who just LOVE secksy american men..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CTBengalsFan Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 you anti-Israeli people make me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest bengalrick Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 wouldn't it suck to grow up in the same place your whole life, and in the pursuit of peace, one day you are given your eviction notice to your house... don't get me wrong, this was necessary to try to go for peace, but it still sucks for those that are now homeless... anyone know if they are at least given money for their property, a new home, or anything for their extreme loss of their home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 You guys heard of Banksy? he's a graffiti artist out of the UK who tags anywhere he can. The harder to get into or onto, the more of a challenge to him. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/newfullsize/ustrooper.jpg[/img] Here he climbed on the side of the building and tagged on the side. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/newfullsize/abassailant.jpg[/img] Anyhoo. He actually went to Israel for holiday on the summer and tagged a bunch of the security walls. It's pretty cool. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/news/images/palestine/rockboy.jpg[/img] His full website and more of his work: [url="http://www.banksy.co.uk/"]http://www.banksy.co.uk/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Aug 16 2005, 02:18 PM']wouldn't it suck to grow up in the same place your whole life, and in the pursuit of peace, one day you are given your eviction notice to your house... don't get me wrong, this was necessary to try to go for peace, but it still sucks for those that are now homeless... anyone know if they are at least given money for their property, a new home, or anything for their extreme loss of their home? [right][post="131815"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] The compensation for settlers is: $1,000 per square metre of home $50,000 for land around home $1,000 per head for each year of residence (children included) Moving costs up to $5,000 Half a year's salary if made redundant Two years' rent following relocation $30,000 interest free loan for staying in new home In addition, business loans are being provided for settlers who are giving up agricultural businesses such as greenhouses etc. The US is chipping in $30 million, while private US donors have raised some $14 million. The total project when all said and done is expected to cost 1.6 billion shekels ($400 million USD) The problem is a lot of these settlers are religious in their outlook. So for them, it's God's will that a greater Israel is created, not financial interests. There has also been some criticism towards the Israeli govt. from settlers who have moved, due to the fact the compensation claims are taking a long time to process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Aug 15 2005, 07:30 PM'][img]http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0508/gallery.gaza.withdrawal/images/05.mon.ap.jpg[/img] Settlers stand behind a locked gate in Neve Dekalim. [right][post="131419"][/post][/right][/quote] Is it wrong for me to say that the girl on the right is pretty cute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 thanks stanley... that makes me feel better about the situation for those settlers... i see what your saying about the religious implications and that is why they are pissed for the most part... the palestinians have the same objections so i applaud israel for doing this, and taking a huge hit by their own people... this could easily come back and bite them on the ass, but in the short term, it is the only way to possibly get passed all the violence... i really hope it works out well, b/c a win in iraq would be nice for democracy in that area... a win in israel/palestine would send shock waves acrossed all of the countries and gov'ts in that area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 [quote name='steggyD' date='Aug 16 2005, 02:50 PM']Is it wrong for me to say that the girl on the right is pretty cute? [right][post="131895"][/post][/right][/quote] depends on her age... 17 yes... 18 no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer07 Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote name='Stanley Wilson's Dealer' date='Aug 16 2005, 02:29 PM']You guys heard of Banksy? he's a graffiti artist out of the UK who tags anywhere he can. The harder to get into or onto, the more of a challenge to him. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/newfullsize/ustrooper.jpg[/img] Here he climbed on the side of the building and tagged on the side. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/outdoors/images/newfullsize/abassailant.jpg[/img] Anyhoo. He actually went to Israel for holiday on the summer and tagged a bunch of the security walls. It's pretty cool. [img]http://www.banksy.co.uk/news/images/palestine/rockboy.jpg[/img] His full website and more of his work: [url="http://www.banksy.co.uk/"]http://www.banksy.co.uk/[/url] [right][post="131870"][/post][/right][/quote] Holy shit, that guy rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote]wouldn't it suck to grow up in the same place your whole life, and one day you are given your eviction notice to your house...[/quote] [i][b]yeah.... and it happened to the ENTIRE NATION OF PALESTINE when the state of Israel was formed[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Aug 16 2005, 08:43 PM'][i][b]yeah.... and it happened to the ENTIRE NATION OF PALESTINE when the state of Israel was formed[/b][/i] [right][post="132077"][/post][/right][/quote] thats why 86% of palestine had palestinians w/ a minority of jews [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank"]click here[/url]... it was in control by israel, but they weren't sent packing... they are simply taking everyone out of palestine that is a jew, and relocating them... did that happen w/ palestine when they started controling that area? it says [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_mandate_of_Palestine"]here[/url] that it was part of the ottoman empire, before WWI... turkey beat it in 1917 occupyed both palestine and syria, but was in control by the UK... they beat the starvation and cured many people of typhus and cholera and did many things to increase their everyday lives... it then says this [i]They reduced corruption by paying the Arab and Jewish judges higher salaries.[/i] but i thought that the jews weren't there and then took it over ... britain officially took control by the league of nations in 1920... it had 11% jews at that time... it had many ethnicities in there as well... after many years of anti-semitism and what have you, the UN decided to break them into an independant arab-jewish settlements... the key part to the real problems seems to be this: [i]The partition plan was rejected out of hand by the Palestinian Arabs, although much of the land reserved for the Jewish state had already been acquired by Jews, had a Jewish majority, or was under state control. Most of the Jews accepted the proposal, in particular the Jewish Agency, which was the Jewish state-in-formation. Numerous records indicate the joy of Palestine's Jewish inhabitants as they attended the U.N. session voting for the division proposal. Up to this day, Israeli history books mention November 29 (the date of this session) as the most important date in Israel's acquisition of independence. [b]Several Jews, however, declined the proposal. Menachem Begin, Irgun's leader, announced: "The partition of the homeland is illegal. It will never be recognized. The signature by institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. The Land of Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for ever". His views were publicly rejected by the majority of the nascent Jewish state. Palestinian Arabs, on the other hand, claim that this publicly expressed acceptance was mainly propaganda for the consumption of Western nations, and that Begin's statement more accurately reflected the real intentions of the founders of the State of Israel.[/b][/i] that is where it started anyways... don't try to make this out to be solely Israels fault... b/c of a minority of hardball jews, the palestinians got pissed (b/c they already hated jews) and that is where it spawned from... there have been many, many fuck ups since then, but this is the origins... but this is a different situation and its about time that the jews stepped down from this spot, for the better of everyone... it is an important first step... what happens from here is anyones guess but at least there is a little bit of good news.. condi rice gets some credit for bringing these two back to the table... sprinkle in a little good luck w/ arafat dying and at least they SEEM to be on the right track... btw, i just learned alot about West Bank history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote]btw, i just learned alot about West Bank history[/quote] [i][b]yeah all the parts that pre date most of the signifigant events that shape the current conflict -- Most Palestinians still have the keys to their old homes that they were never allowed to return to -- Many of those homes were found with food still cooking on the stove -- Israelis were the first to use Suicide Bombing (it worked for them when they bombed the British embassy at the hotel) -- Palestinians are the fucking majority right now and always have been in Palestine (it shouldn't even be called Israel) -- The Jews do not allow Palestinians the majority to vote, freely move throughout the country, work, travel outside the country, stay out past curfew.... it is Apartheid and nothing less[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 your hatred of the jews is goozing out of your head bj... i presented a lot of facts that i found on a pretty reliable source (wikepedia) and you have just used emotion (remember when i pointed this out earlier [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] ) to look past alot of facts and present some facts that you didn't back up w/ links... at least when you throw a bunch of garbage at me, present me w/ some links to check them out... if its in a reliable source, i'll listen... if its at killthefuckingjews.com, i won't... at least back up what you throw at me... i did and usually do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote]your hatred of the jews is goozing out of your head bj...[/quote] [i][b]I don't hate Jews.... I hate Aparthied regardless of who commits it. as for links I'll get them, most of these things I thought were common knowledge[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [u]Population In the West Bank & Gaza Strip[/u] 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank / 5,000 Israeli settlers in the Gaza Strip Palestinians living West Bank and Gaza Strip = 3,700,000 = If Palestinians were allowed to vote in these 2 areas it is easy to see that they far outnumber Jews by laughable proportions.... Palestinians living within the borders of Israel - 1,213,000 stated population of Isreal as a whole - 6,276,883 (80 % which are Jewish) so give or take = 5 million Jews [b]= Jews outnumber Palestinains in these Borders (understandably, Palestinians are not alowed to travel or live in these areas, if they are not already citizens of Israel. If you take the whole area of Israel you end up with about 5 million Jews and 5 million Palestinians currently although here is the kicker, Palestinians are growing at twice the rate and have many more children.. thus in another decade Palestinians will have a clear edge if there were to be just 1 State (which is actually what Palestinaians want = 1 state 1 vote per person)[/b] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel[/url] In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews and 71,500 Christians. However, this area became the center of Zionist aspirations for a Jewish homeland or state, and gradually saw a large influx of Jewish immigrants. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War[/url] [b]= clearly shows that historically Palestinians (muslims) lived there not Jews[/b] On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan which partitioned the British Mandate of Palestine into [u]two states[/u]: one Jewish and one Arab. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War[/url] [b]= Either way Israel is not living up to the deal = 2 states then the Palestinians get their own state and get the fuck out of the Gaza strip and the West Bank = 1 state fine, in a decade the Palestinians will have clear voting edges and just vote the Jews out of office (but Palestinians should be citizens)[/b] [color="blue"][i][b]--> Israelis clearly moved there until they had enough people to take over and buy up most of the land. Now if you think this is fine then, ok keep it open and Arabs will now move there and outnumber Jews 100-1. But Israel now does not allow immigrants to move there (non Jews) --- But it doesn't matter Palestinians will outnumber them through nature and having Kids.... thus they issue Aparthied and disallow them citizenship and thus they live in Camps..... the irony for the Jews of gating people into Camps should be clear [/b][/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CTBengalsFan Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Aug 16 2005, 10:09 PM']-- The Jews do not allow Palestinians the majority to vote, freely move throughout the country, work, travel outside the country, stay out past curfew.... it is Apartheid and nothing less[/b][/i] [right][post="132170"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] no it is a people trying to keep their own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [quote]no it is a people trying to keep their own country.[/quote] [i][b]exactly what the White South Africans Said[/b][/i] [img]http://www.valsesiascuole.it/rmd/razzismo/aparth.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 [b]So CT you are saying that if a group in a nation wants to hold power they can choose a certain group of people and - not allow them to vote - not allow them to leave - not allow them to be employed - not allow them to travel throughout the country - not allow them to be sent money from the outside - not allow them to own cars and drive - not allow them any representation Sounds Awesome.... and it is exactly what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians [/b] [img]http://www.bendib.com/newones/2003/july/small/7-7-Jews-only-Apartheid.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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