Madieu Superstar Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, turningpoint said: I'd take Nugent back next year. I think he will figure out his issues and be fine. I think you're right. Hey, what's Brad St. Louis up to these days? He probably has figured out his issues. He could be a fine replacement for Clark Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 10 hours ago, High School Harry said: Nugent won't be replaced until off season. That's a given. Who is better out there? Field goals are a three man show: snapper, holder (catching it may be a bit of a challenge, too... ref the one field goal Nuge did make was snapped up by Huber's ear) and the kicker. We are already down 1/3 of that team. Therefore the coaching strategy (that's an oxymoron in Marvspeak) has to change. No more field goal attempts outside the 25 yard line. We've seen that he has difficulty (understatement) with extra points from the 15. If he blows... a field goal from the 25, the ball still comes out to the point of the kick which would be the same as a touchback. I think it would be much wiser to have Huber try to pin them back as far as possible rather than taking possession of the ball from the spot of the attempt beyond the 25. Hypothetically, its the difference between the other team taking possession at the 35 after a blown field goal or being pinned inside the five with a good punt. Someone once said football is a game of field position and why risk giving up all those yards with a shaky Nuggie. I guess I'll have to re-post the names of current kickers who were signed mid-season: Chris Boswell Graham Gano Nick Novak Matt Prater Dustin Hopkins Caleb Sturgis Matt Bryant Cody Parkey Robbie Gould There's ALWAYS guys out there. It takes giving them a chance in order to find out how good they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, Madieu Superstar said: I guess I'll have to re-post the names of current kickers who were signed mid-season: Chris Boswell Graham Gano Nick Novak Matt Prater Dustin Hopkins Caleb Sturgis Matt Bryant Cody Parkey Robbie Gould There's ALWAYS guys out there. It takes giving them a chance in order to find out how good they really are. Which of these guys is available now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Which of these guys is available now? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Which of these guys is available now? 1 hour ago, Madieu Superstar said: Seriously? Yes, seriously. If those guys were signed mid season who is out there now who is better than Nugent? I don't think he will be here next year but for the remainder of the season the coaching staff is going to have to make allowances for him, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, High School Harry said: Yes, seriously. If those guys were signed mid season who is out there now who is better than Nugent? I don't think he will be here next year but for the remainder of the season the coaching staff is going to have to make allowances for him, unfortunately. If he's not gonna be back next year, wouldn't it make more sense to cut bait now, sign another kicker and see how he holds up? Why wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Hooky said: He might be blind. Well it is hard to see when one has their head up their ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Oh my... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Madieu Superstar said: I think you're right. Hey, what's Brad St. Louis up to these days? He probably has figured out his issues. He could be a fine replacement for Clark Harris. ha ha ha... no shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Harley| Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 And just who should they replace him with? I'm all for getting rid of him in the offseason. But the rest of the available kickers are available for a reason.Ochocinco. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Madieu Superstar said: If he's not gonna be back next year, wouldn't it make more sense to cut bait now, sign another kicker and see how he holds up? Why wait? No dude. We have to wait until next year to try to fix the kicker position so its a problem then too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Some of you are suggesting the Bengals couldn't find a kicker this week that can make extra points? C'mon, man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 18 hours ago, turningpoint said: I'd take Nugent back next year. I think he will figure out his issues and be fine. Reverse psychology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Nugent has proven over the years he can make Kicks, yes he has had issues as of late, but does everyone here really think he's going to keep missing EP's? I seriously doubt he misses another EP the rest of this season and next season. Should we cut AJ green because he had an easy drop vs the Broncos that probably would have sealed the game? This honestly could have cost us a playoff spot, I say we cut him and go sign a guy who isn't on an NFL roster to play WR. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/9/25/13051358/a-j-green-says-dropped-pass-in-broncos-game-will-bother-him-all-year-bengals-wr-week-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Comparing Nugent's continually declining performance to ANYTHING related to AJ is utter lunacy. I am now issuing a recall for your man card and am going to ask God to reduce your IQ to that of a stealerfan. :1/2 ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 The laughing continues!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, USN Bengal said: Comparing Nugent's continually declining performance to ANYTHING related to AJ is utter lunacy. I am now issuing a recall for your man card and am going to ask God to reduce your IQ to that of a stealerfan. :1/2 ninja: Why Certain players seem to just get away with making game losing mistakes... Aj's Drop in week 2 Boyd's Fumble in week 3 the entire joke of a dline vs the cowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 Turning point has jumped the fucking shark. I'm trying to avoid name calling but come on man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhodeIslandFan Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Have a link on that supposed statement? Looks like Marvin Jones and Sanu are headed for their 7th straight playoff because they also have a quarterback Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 On 12/1/2016 at 5:51 PM, B.A.B. said: Turning point has jumped the fucking shark. I'm trying to avoid name calling but come on man Nugent is a local guy, he must be related to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhodeIslandFan Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 Nugent has proven over the years he can make Kicks, yes he has had issues as of late, but does everyone here really think he's going to keep missing EP's? I seriously doubt he misses another EP the rest of this season and next season. Should we cut AJ green because he had an easy drop vs the Broncos that probably would have sealed the game? This honestly could have cost us a playoff spot, I say we cut him and go sign a guy who isn't on an NFL roster to play WR.http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/9/25/13051358/a-j-green-says-dropped-pass-in-broncos-game-will-bother-him-all-year-bengals-wr-week-3 AJ's an every down player. Your choke ass boy shows up .....what....10seconds at a time. Sometimes it's 3seconds for that 35yard LONG range extra point. He's the guy that while shooting the 8ball. Misses the Q ball and rips the cloth off the table. He sucks ...and that ridiculous look he makes towards the camera after every choke....is nauseating Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantNGo Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 One thing that's gotten a lot less attention this year than the defensive struggles is how bad the special teams have been overall (currently #25), and not just Nugent. From 2011-2015, our ST units have been 12th or better in the league and usually around 7th (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2011). The last time we had an ST unit this bad was 2010 (ranked #28). Anyways, if we look at the Bengals FG points above average (average calculated over all kickers for each kick distance), the results are: 2010: -7.4 (most of this poor performance should be attributed to the kicker we signed after Nugent went on IR) 2011: 5.9 2012: 5.9 (split between Nugent and Josh Brown) 2013: -1.5 2014: -2.6 2015: 1.5 2016: -7.9 Looks like an average kicker who had a pretty good 2011 and a worse than usual 2016. FG kickers seem to be struggling quite a bit this year, so there are more negative entries than usual (average is calculated over multiple seasons). Nugent is the 15th highest paid kicker in the league (http://overthecap.com/position/kicker/) so it seems the Bengals are paying for an average kicker and getting average kicker performance in response. If Nugent reverts to his usual form next year, then it shouldn't be a big deal, but if this gets into his head, and he keeps shaking XPs on a regular basis, I think we need to make a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 20 hours ago, RhodeIslandFan said: Looks like Marvin Jones and Sanu are headed for their 7th straight playoff because they also have a quarterback Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's par for the course: do not respond to a direct question for backup of an out-of-ass statement; rather trot out a total non sequitur. Whatever, sunglasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 21 hours ago, RhodeIslandFan said: Looks like Marvin Jones and Sanu are headed for their 7th straight playoff because they also have a quarterback Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fuck anyone named Marvin and Snafu. He disappeared of a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 5 hours ago, SlantNGo said: One thing that's gotten a lot less attention this year than the defensive struggles is how bad the special teams have been overall (currently #25), and not just Nugent. From 2011-2015, our ST units have been 12th or better in the league and usually around 7th (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2011). The last time we had an ST unit this bad was 2010 (ranked #28). Anyways, if we look at the Bengals FG points above average (average calculated over all kickers for each kick distance), the results are: 2010: -7.4 (most of this poor performance should be attributed to the kicker we signed after Nugent went on IR) 2011: 5.9 2012: 5.9 (split between Nugent and Josh Brown) 2013: -1.5 2014: -2.6 2015: 1.5 2016: -7.9 Looks like an average kicker who had a pretty good 2011 and a worse than usual 2016. FG kickers seem to be struggling quite a bit this year, so there are more negative entries than usual (average is calculated over multiple seasons). Nugent is the 15th highest paid kicker in the league (http://overthecap.com/position/kicker/) so it seems the Bengals are paying for an average kicker and getting average kicker performance in response. If Nugent reverts to his usual form next year, then it shouldn't be a big deal, but if this gets into his head, and he keeps shaking XPs on a regular basis, I think we need to make a change. A good post getting buried here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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