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1 hour ago, oldschooler said:

Dayton Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it was telling that their lawyers fought really hard for their right to wear masks.  Total fucking cowards.  

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On 5/23/2019 at 6:27 PM, oldschooler said:

Dayton Ohio

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lmao:

 

 

 

 

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A grand total of 9 of them showed up vs ~600 protesters including a tuba band playing the Ghostbusters theme.

 

 

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4 hours ago, oldschooler said:

 

The headline is deceiving.  She is stating that those who work harder tend to have more than those who don't.  It has nothing to do with equal rights,..she is talking about equal outcomes.  The only places where equal outcomes are the law typically have equal misery like North Korea and Cuba. 

 

The Colonies / United States were founded and grew exponentially as many wanted to escape the oppressive over reach of European monarchies and because of the abundance of free land, a concept few could comprehend at the time.  She is 100% correct, this country was NEVER founded to create equal outcomes for everyone. 

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On 5/23/2019 at 8:08 PM, oldschooler said:

 

It allows (not forces) shelters to  deny a transgender woman who is biologically a male from staying in a female only shelter and vice versa. It isn't denying them shelters, it just specifies that a person with male body parts should be in a male shelter.  

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9 hours ago, SF2 said:

It allows (not forces) shelters to  deny a transgender woman who is biologically a male from staying in a female only shelter and vice versa. It isn't denying them shelters, it just specifies that a person with male body parts should be in a male shelter.  

 

You think a transgender woman would be less disruptive housed in an all-male (identifying) shelter?  It's not the tenants driving this policy anyway, it's the fundamentalist's obsession with everyone else's sex lives.  Maybe if they got their own they wouldn't be so concerned with other people's.

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10 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

You think a transgender woman would be less disruptive housed in an all-male (identifying) shelter?  It's not the tenants driving this policy anyway, it's the fundamentalist's obsession with everyone else's sex lives.  Maybe if they got their own they wouldn't be so concerned with other people's.

I have no opinion on the matter nor any expertise.  I was simply pointing out the obvious use of a false headline to attract clicks and push a certain agenda.  It happens on both sides.  What does someone being a Transgender have to do with sex in a homeless shelter anyways?

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22 hours ago, SF2 said:

The headline is deceiving.  She is stating that those who work harder tend to have more than those who don't.  It has nothing to do with equal rights,..she is talking about equal outcomes.  The only places where equal outcomes are the law typically have equal misery like North Korea and Cuba. 

 

The Colonies / United States were founded and grew exponentially as many wanted to escape the oppressive over reach of European monarchies and because of the abundance of free land, a concept few could comprehend at the time.  She is 100% correct, this country was NEVER founded to create equal outcomes for everyone. 

She, like most everyone on her side of the isle, also doesn't understand the argument with regard to Democratic Socialism.

 

Or maybe she does and is intellectually dishonest, which also wouldn't surprise me.

 

D.S. isn't about ensuring economic outcomes are equal, it's about ensuring that the structure in which we live in give equal opportunity for everyone to reach their potential, and it is about ensuring that Democracy is placed above Corporate Oligarchy.

 

Sadly too many in this country are too intellectually lazy to spend the time even understanding the argument.

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2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

D.S. isn't about ensuring economic outcomes are equal, it's about ensuring that the structure in which we live in give equal opportunity for everyone to reach their potential, and it is about ensuring that Democracy is placed above Corporate Oligarchy.

 

This goal is a pipe dream and is impossible to achieve. The rich take care of themselves and their children and their private schools will always outperform, by significant margins,  most public schools. 

 

Corporate Oligarchies are already running the joint. The large investment banks, defense contractors and big tech have too many politicians in their back pockets. 

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2 minutes ago, SF2 said:

This goal is a pipe dream and is impossible to achieve. The rich take care of themselves and their children and their private schools will always outperform, by significant margins,  most public schools. 

 

Corporate Oligarchies are already running the joint. The large investment banks, defense contractors and big tech have too many politicians in their back pockets. 

If you say so

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1 minute ago, Jamie_B said:

The study didn’t prove anything. It claims the students get better test scores because of their socio-economic background.  The key takeaway is they get better test scores which are a huge determining factor for acceptance into college.  

 

The study was done to fight the growth of Charter schools and pushed by the NEA. It should be taken with same grain of salt an NRA study on gun safety should be taken. 

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9 minutes ago, SF2 said:

The study didn’t prove anything. It claims the students get better test scores because of their socio-economic background.  The key takeaway is they get better test scores which are a huge determining factor for acceptance into college.  

 

The study was done to fight the growth of Charter schools and pushed by the NEA. It should be taken with same grain of salt an NRA study on gun safety should be taken. 

Ok

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46 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Ok

"University of Virginia researchers who looked at data from more than 1,000 students found that all of the advantages supposedly conferred by private education evaporate when socio-demographic characteristics are factored in."
“So when you first look, without controlling for anything, the kids who go to private schools are far and away outperforming the public school kids. And as soon as you control for family income and parents’ education level, that difference is eliminated completely

 

In other words, the private schools do better because the kids come from families with higher educational backgrounds and more money.  That is EXACTLY what I originally said. Are you suggesting the government confiscate all of their money to make things fair,  Comrade?   Like I said, the wealthy take care of their own and always will.  Their schools will always outperform due to this.  Unless you want to shift to a Communist state this will not change.

 

At least the study proved what most already knew:  Throwing more money at public schools wont make them better.  One of my clients was the head of the teacher's union in a lower income district near Dayton for year.   Almost every issue they had in the school was a function of the kid's home life, something difficult to fix with legislation.  The private schools don't have to spend massive amounts of time on "Individual Education Programs" for troubled kids like they are mandated in public schools.

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19 minutes ago, SF2 said:

"University of Virginia researchers who looked at data from more than 1,000 students found that all of the advantages supposedly conferred by private education evaporate when socio-demographic characteristics are factored in."
“So when you first look, without controlling for anything, the kids who go to private schools are far and away outperforming the public school kids. And as soon as you control for family income and parents’ education level, that difference is eliminated completely

 

In other words, the private schools do better because the kids come from families with higher educational backgrounds and more money.  That is EXACTLY what I originally said. Are you suggesting the government confiscate all of their money to make things fair,  Comrade?   Like I said, the wealthy take care of their own and always will.  Unless you want to shift to a Communist state this will not change.

 

At least the study proved what most already knew:  Throwing more money at public schools wont make them better.  One of my clients was the head of the teacher's union in a lower income district near Dayton for year.   Almost every issue they had in the school was a function of the kid's home life, something difficult to fix with legislation.  The private schools don't have to spend massive amounts of time on "Individual Education Programs" for troubled kids like they are mandated in public schools.

 

 

"I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness...Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils [tyranny, oppression, etc.] and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance." - Thomas Jefferson

 

 

Et tu, Thomas Jefferson, you pinko?

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10 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

"I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness...Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils [tyranny, oppression, etc.] and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance." - Thomas Jefferson

 

 

Etu Thomas Jefferson, you pinko?

What does the about have to do with anything?  The money going to the schools is NOT THE ISSUE.  The US already spends more per student than any other country. Its the income and educational level of the parent(s) that is the biggest indicator of success in school.  Explain to me HOW you can fix this with legislation?  Explain to me how Democratic Socialism will result in more 2 parent highly educated high income homes?   Democratic Socialism, Compassionate Conservative nothing but BS.

 

The US already spends more per student than any other country yet we continue to fall behind (According to the left leaning outside the US source The Guardian).  

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education-spending-finland-south-korea 

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1 minute ago, SF2 said:

What does the about have to do with anything?  The money going to the schools is NOT THE ISSUE.  The US already spends more per student than anyIts the income and educational level of the parent(s) that is the biggest indicator of success in school.  Explain to me HOW you can fix this with legislation?  Explain to me how Democratic Socialism will result in more 2 parent highly educated high income homes?

 

The US already spends more per student than any other country yet we continue to fall behind (According to the left leaning outside source The Guardian).  

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education-spending-finland-south-korea 

Aside from me mocking you at the idea that taxation amounts to Communism. (Or that D.S. or hell even normal Socialism is the same thing as Communism)

 

Have you looked at that distribution? Simply saying that the US spends more per student on average means little when the richer kids are getting more funding than the poorer kids. The distribution matters.

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1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

Aside from me mocking you at the idea that taxation amounts to Communism. (Or that D.S. or hell even normal Socialism is the same thing as Communism)

 

Have you looked at that distribution? Simply saying that the US spends more per student on average means little when the richer kids are getting more funding than the poorer kids. The distribution matters.

Oh I never made such a claim.  I said  D.S. ensuring that the structure in which we live in gives equal opportunity for everyone to reach their potential and ensures that Democracy is placed above Corporate Oligarchy was a pipe dream.  It is impossible to give everyone equal opportunity and its laughable to think big corporations won't continue controlling our government.  Obama had all his Silicon Valley buds, Bush his oil buds and Clinton was surrounded by the Goldman Sachs crowd. 

 

Guys like Trump and the rest of the children of wealthy have enormous head starts, are politically connected and get away with everything.  JFK Jr. did whatever he wanted, attended the best schools, etc..  John McCain should have never been accepted at NAVY and should have been grounded after his second plane crash but Dad and grandpa were famous Admirals.  Buffets kids are only going to get 10% of his estate; he is currently worth $81 billion.  The rest is going into the Gates foundation. 

 

Foundations are how the rich pay themselves enormous amounts of money to travel the world and do good things tax fee. Sometimes they give money to universities right about the time Johnny is getting out of high school.  Imagine that. 

 

 

You have to make the most of your opportunities but some have a much bigger hill to climb than others and no form of government short of Communism will fix that.  

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