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45 minutes ago, akiliMVP said:

Regardless of what may or may not have happened at the casino and hotel, his behavior on film in the back of the police car would probably have him cut from the 31 other NFL teams.

 

Depends on who he played for and how well he played.  Let's not pretend like the various teams and Goodell haven't chosen to ignore much worse behavior whenever it suited them. 

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1 hour ago, akiliMVP said:

Regardless of what may or may not have happened at the casino and hotel, his behavior on film in the back of the police car would probably have him cut from the 31 other NFL teams.

Yeah, cussing a cop out is so much worse than being accused of Rape.  Twice.

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12 hours ago, GoBengals said:

or becasue he isnt a judgemental cunt.

or a racist.

but whatever makes you feel better..

the last two times any trouble has arisen with his name someone was trying to get money from him or was attacking him...

but a bunch of twats call for his head every fucking time.. 

 

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this is confusing 

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I'm assuming that most folks here are aware of recent news regarding Gayle Sayers and Dwight Clark. And there are thousands of other former players who have sacrificed their bodies and minds all for the sake of what is a brutal form of entertainment. We ask these guys to endure what they endure. We idolize them. We pay them great sums of money.

These modern day gladiators--and make no mistake about it--they are gladiators in the same sense that those of the Roman period, with all the same social ramifications--are briefly in the spotlight, and then they are thrown onto a trash heap. All for the sake of our vicarious pleasure.

It is what it is.

Mike Brown is a pretty decent fellow. If he chooses to give another chance to a fellow human being, then so be it. Even multiple chances in this particular situation. If, as a business person, he chooses not to make a move before he absolutely has to, then he's doing smart business. If Marvin Lewis prefers to hedge his bets with respect to the composition to the squad, then that's just Manager 101 stuff.

Maybe it's time to move on from Adam Jones. Maybe not. No matter what, he's a product of this particular subset of our social behavior.

What it is definitely time for is this: fans need to understand they can't have their cake and eat it, too. You wanna spend so much time celebrating gladiators performing in a brutal environment, then you sometimes gotta deal with that brutality spilling over into the world outside of the lines. That so many folks just want to jettison a guy--like he was just so much meat--says an awful lot about who we are as fans. And that isn't very pretty either.

Those of us old enough to remember Sayers on the field are pretty lucky. What a graceful runner he was. Take a moment to consider his condition now. Know that guys like Jones may very likely end up in the same condition some years from now. And be thankful that as a fan and not a participant on the field, the odds are pretty good you'll actually still know who you are when you hit your retirement age.

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2 hours ago, Homer_Rice said:

I'm assuming that most folks here are aware of recent news regarding Gayle Sayers and Dwight Clark. And there are thousands of other former players who have sacrificed their bodies and minds all for the sake of what is a brutal form of entertainment. We ask these guys to endure what they endure. We idolize them. We pay them great sums of money.

These modern day gladiators--and make no mistake about it--they are gladiators in the same sense that those of the Roman period, with all the same social ramifications--are briefly in the spotlight, and then they are thrown onto a trash heap. All for the sake of our vicarious pleasure.

It is what it is.

Mike Brown is a pretty decent fellow. If he chooses to give another chance to a fellow human being, then so be it. Even multiple chances in this particular situation. If, as a business person, he chooses not to make a move before he absolutely has to, then he's doing smart business. If Marvin Lewis prefers to hedge his bets with respect to the composition to the squad, then that's just Manager 101 stuff.

Maybe it's time to move on from Adam Jones. Maybe not. No matter what, he's a product of this particular subset of our social behavior.

What it is definitely time for is this: fans need to understand they can't have their cake and eat it, too. You wanna spend so much time celebrating gladiators performing in a brutal environment, then you sometimes gotta deal with that brutality spilling over into the world outside of the lines. That so many folks just want to jettison a guy--like he was just so much meat--says an awful lot about who we are as fans. And that isn't very pretty either.

Those of us old enough to remember Sayers on the field are pretty lucky. What a graceful runner he was. Take a moment to consider his condition now. Know that guys like Jones may very likely end up in the same condition some years from now. And be thankful that as a fan and not a participant on the field, the odds are pretty good you'll actually still know who you are when you hit your retirement age.

Great post, except for the Sayers and Clark part.  Sayers is 73.  Dementia is not all that uncommon for folks that age.  I've dealt with a loved one who went through it.  It is extremely tough.  Maybe football contributed, maybe not.  CTE is a different story.  Clark has ALS.  There is some foggy connection of ALS to head injury, but it's not a strong one.  Being 60 Clark is getting ALS at the average time for folks to get ALS.  

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6 hours ago, Homer_Rice said:

I'm assuming that most folks here are aware of recent news regarding Gayle Sayers and Dwight Clark. And there are thousands of other former players who have sacrificed their bodies and minds all for the sake of what is a brutal form of entertainment. We ask these guys to endure what they endure. We idolize them. We pay them great sums of money.

These modern day gladiators--and make no mistake about it--they are gladiators in the same sense that those of the Roman period, with all the same social ramifications--are briefly in the spotlight, and then they are thrown onto a trash heap. All for the sake of our vicarious pleasure.

It is what it is.

Mike Brown is a pretty decent fellow. If he chooses to give another chance to a fellow human being, then so be it. Even multiple chances in this particular situation. If, as a business person, he chooses not to make a move before he absolutely has to, then he's doing smart business. If Marvin Lewis prefers to hedge his bets with respect to the composition to the squad, then that's just Manager 101 stuff.

Maybe it's time to move on from Adam Jones. Maybe not. No matter what, he's a product of this particular subset of our social behavior.

What it is definitely time for is this: fans need to understand they can't have their cake and eat it, too. You wanna spend so much time celebrating gladiators performing in a brutal environment, then you sometimes gotta deal with that brutality spilling over into the world outside of the lines. That so many folks just want to jettison a guy--like he was just so much meat--says an awful lot about who we are as fans. And that isn't very pretty either.

Those of us old enough to remember Sayers on the field are pretty lucky. What a graceful runner he was. Take a moment to consider his condition now. Know that guys like Jones may very likely end up in the same condition some years from now. And be thankful that as a fan and not a participant on the field, the odds are pretty good you'll actually still know who you are when you hit your retirement age.

 

This isvalid and you raise a good point about the state of the sport in general.  Watching the NFL become more and more corrupt has made me less of a fan & I've been fairly vocal about that.

Consider, however, that there are roughly 1700 players on NFL rosters every year.  How many have the sort of record Jones has racked up? This isn't a one-time incident, or even 2 or 3 times.  It's a consistent pattern of behavior.  Professional sports are not responsible for the actions of Adam "Pacman" Jones; he is.  Nobody AFAIK is suggesting he be drawn & quartered. He's not being fed to the lions. He's made more money than most people will ever see in their lives.

I don't think it's fair to fault the team's fans for being tired of his shit.  He's a continual embarrassment to a franchise that's already been targeted as a scapegoat for the problems you describe.  If I pulled half the shit he has over the last few years I would certainly lose my job and probably more.  I think that applies to most everyone here. How is it ok to cut someone for losing 1/2 a step, or simply because there's a cheaper option available, but not for a pattern of reckless and irresponsible behavior that wouldn't be anywhere near so tolerated for the average person?

While I agree that the NFL is a shady enterprise and doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as moralizing goes, Adam Jones is no martyr.

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21 hours ago, GoBengals said:

or becasue he isnt a judgemental cunt.

or a racist.

but whatever makes you feel better..

the last two times any trouble has arisen with his name someone was trying to get money from him or was attacking him...

but a bunch of twats call for his head every fucking time.. 

 

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Even if Adam Jones was white everyone would be calling for his head. IMO there is zero racism about it.

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21 hours ago, Jason said:

Also, it's kind of funny how things have changed.  I remember back in 2006 when we had a guy getting arrested every other week and no one cared.  "Just win, baby".  Now everyone wants to dump Adam Jones.

In 2006 guys were getting arrested for drinking while boating or driving with .09 blood alcohol level, minor stuff that the average person has done or will do. 

Pacman is a different story, I don't think the average person has a similar arrest record or behaves like Jones did in a cop car, casino, or in police custody.

15 hours ago, kennethmw said:

How can anyone take you seriously when you act like New Jack City was a documentary?  I'd bet Ben Carson walking beside you would make you piss your pants!?

What does that even mean, not quite sure what you mean by that?

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13 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Depends on who he played for and how well he played.  Let's not pretend like the various teams and Goodell haven't chosen to ignore much worse behavior whenever it suited them.

 

Josh Brown. And considering it was after the Ray Rice incident it makes him getting away with it even more shocking.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/92459970/

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5 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

This isvalid and you raise a good point about the state of the sport in general.  Watching the NFL become more and more corrupt has made me less of a fan & I've been fairly vocal about that.

Consider, however, that there are roughly 1700 players on NFL rosters every year.  How many have the sort of record Jones has racked up? This isn't a one-time incident, or even 2 or 3 times.  It's a consistent pattern of behavior.  Professional sports are not responsible for the actions of Adam "Pacman" Jones; he is.  Nobody AFAIK is suggesting he be drawn & quartered. He's not being fed to the lions. He's made more money than most people will ever see in their lives.

I don't think it's fair to fault the team's fans for being tired of his shit.  He's a continual embarrassment to a franchise that's already been targeted as a scapegoat for the problems you describe.  If I pulled half the shit he has over the last few years I would certainly lose my job and probably more.  I think that applies to most everyone here. How is it ok to cut someone for losing 1/2 a step, or simply because there's a cheaper option available, but not for a pattern of reckless and irresponsible behavior that wouldn't be anywhere near so tolerated for the average person?

While I agree that the NFL is a shady enterprise and doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as moralizing goes, Adam Jones is no martyr.

T is right and for me it goes even farther.  I look at Adam Jones and I see a selfish individual.  Yeah, I am sure he is an ok dude most of the time, probably does some charity things and that is great.  But, he is paid by the Bengals for one thing and one thing only.  For a few months each year he is paid millions to be ready to go out and play the best football he can for his team, teammates and family.  Yet, every year he puts himself into a position where he could be jailed, fined, suspended and even terminated from his employment for his behavior.  If he can't play is he truly caring for his team? or his teammates? or even his family?

Everyone makes mistakes and I am a firm believer in second chances but Adam has exhibited this same behavior since he has been in the league.  I believe if Mike and Marvin really want to help Adams Jones the best thing they can do is hold him accountable for his actions.

 

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