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|BlackJesus| Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 J.J. Dielman 6'5 309 lbs Overview One of the top offensive linemen in the Pac-12 couldn't find a place on the all-conference squad this season because a leg injury ended his senior year after five games. Dielman, the cousin of former NFL lineman Kris Dielman, was a team captain and started at center for the Utes in 2016 after starting all 26 games in 2014 and 2015 at the right tackle spot. J.J. (which stands for Jeffrey Joseph) was a second-team All-Pac-12 pick as a junior. The Arizona high school all-state pick redshirted his first year in Salt Lake City and played in one game as a reserve in 2013 before becoming a fixture on Utah's line. Analysis Strengths Has three years of experience at right tackle to go along with his newfound snaps at center. Has quick feet and good flexibility through his hips. Possesses desired body control. Talented work-up blocker who finds his second-level targets and strikes with accuracy. Can get to the difficult angles. Will work to bend knees after engagement to improve his leverage. Quick to flip hips and wall off his man. Works well with guards in handoff on combo blocks. Plays with good determination and effort. Rides the bull as long as he can after engaging with bigger defenders. Has tackle feet to mirror pass rushers along interior. Weaknesses Has short arms. Unlikely to offer tackle flexibility on roster due to a lack of length. Will need to add more bulk to prepare for NFL battles. Below average core strength. Finds himself hanging on rather than improving positioning. Finesse player in need of stellar technique without addition of play strength. Unable to create push at the point of attack without help. Can improve with securing on second level. Season-ending foot injury will have to be cleared at combine. Draft Projection Round 7-PFA NFL Comparison Wesley Johnson Bottom Line An athletic center with the plus athleticism of a three-year tackle, but he lacks the core power that some teams will require from an interior lineman. Needs to bulk up and add as much strength as possible in order to be a functional NFL player. While his movement skills will be enticing for zone-scheme teams, he could be limited by scheme fit, which narrows the teams who might consider drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strengths Has three years of experience at right tackle to go along with his newfound snaps at center. Has quick feet and good flexibility through his hips. Possesses desired body control. Talented work-up blocker who finds his second-level targets and strikes with accuracy. Can get to the difficult angles. Will work to bend knees after engagement to improve his leverage. Quick to flip hips and wall off his man. Works well with guards in handoff on combo blocks. Plays with good determination and effort. Rides the bull as long as he can after engaging with bigger defenders. Has tackle feet to mirror pass rushers along interior.
Weaknesses Has short arms. Unlikely to offer tackle flexibility on roster due to a lack of length. Will need to add more bulk to prepare for NFL battles. Below average core strength. Finds himself hanging on rather than improving positioning. Finesse player in need of stellar technique without addition of play strength. Unable to create push at the point of attack without help. Can improve with securing on second level. Season-ending foot injury will have to be cleared at combine.
Bottom Line An athletic center with the plus athleticism of a three-year tackle, but he lacks the core power that some teams will require from an interior lineman. Needs to bulk up and add as much strength as possible in order to be a functional NFL player. While his movement skills will be enticing for zone-scheme teams, he could be limited by scheme fit, which narrows the teams who might consider drafting him.
BengalBuck Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Please, please, please be good. We haven't had a good C since Richie Braham retired.Sent from my SM-G950U using Go-Bengals.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Story about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 A good sign when your center is a captain ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 136 overall player at CBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Quote Finesse player in need of stellar technique without addition of play strength FFS. Why is Alexander allergic to guys that can actually anchor and generate some push? Sure, 5th-round pick, but still.. Who wants finesse in an offensive lineman? Give us a damned bulldozer this isn't ballroom dancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, BengalBuck said: Please, please, please be good. We haven't had a good C since Richie Braham retired. Sent from my SM-G950U using Go-Bengals.com mobile app It took Richie quite awhile to develop into that guy though....I actually still have the same kind of hopes for Bodine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, T-Dub said: FFS. Why is Alexander allergic to guys that can actually anchor and generate some push? Sure, 5th-round pick, but still.. Who wants finesse in an offensive lineman? Give us a damned bulldozer this isn't ballroom dancing. Hey, I'd be all for a finesse OL - if we had finesse scheme. Unfortunately Marvin has made it very clear, year after year, that we are a power blocking team. Its seems odd to me when teams like the Pats, Texans, Broncos, etc that employ these finesse schemes seem to be able to perform with almost anyone they put out there, but teams like us need some very specific guys who are *top notch* power guys before we can even hope to compete up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I can see both sides. You need some power, but if all you've shown is power, and you've shown it against guys who'll never see a pro snap, you'll get eaten up at the NFL level. Whereas if you know finesse, you can add power with the pro diet/gym*. *obviously not here, because everyone we draft is as good as they'll ever be and we only coach downwards, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 3 hours ago, T-Dub said: FFS. Why is Alexander allergic to guys that can actually anchor and generate some push? Sure, 5th-round pick, but still.. Who wants finesse in an offensive lineman? Give us a damned bulldozer this isn't ballroom dancing. It seems like you'd be more of a fan of this type of player: STRENGTHS Carries a load in his punch and plays with vinegar. Can seal and turn defenders in the run game to create small creases. Plays with a mean streak and likes to finish blocks. Is aggressive working up to the second level and efficient cutting linebackers. Rugged competitor. Stout anchor in pass protection. Versatile and has seen action at center and guard. WEAKNESSES Stiff-bodied. Plays short-armed and overextends. Average agility. Is late to switch off blocks. Relies too much on his upper-body strength. Mechanics deteriorate the farther he is asked to travel. Slow to adjust to counter moves. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 3-4 BOTTOM LINE A top-heavy, barrel-chested, thick-bodied, short-area blocker, Bodine plays with a gritty football demeanor. Swing-interior versatility adds to his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, happyrid said: It seems like you'd be more of a fan of this type of player: If they actually had any of that game in them, yeah. Have you seen Bodine look anything like a stout anchor? Show a mean streak? I've seen him flat on his ass, maybe helping his QB off the ground which is nice of him so +.73 in the PFF grading system. If you are saying that scouting reports are often wrong, that is a timely reminder and fair enough. As far as that goes, they made the negatives sound like it could be a bad stance, bad feet. What I see on Sundays is more like a weak lower body, got no trunk, plain ol' skipped leg day flapjack ass Brown Hornet get out the way situation. To my untrained eye anyway. I admit, I'm not the assistant head coach of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: If they actually had any of that game in them, yeah. Have you seen Bodine look anything like a stout anchor? Show a mean streak? I've seen him flat on his ass, maybe helping his QB off the ground which is nice of him so +.73 in the PFF grading system. If you are saying that scouting reports are often wrong, that is a timely reminder and fair enough. As far as that goes, they made the negatives sound like it could be a bad stance, bad feet. What I see on Sundays is more like a weak lower body, got no trunk, plain ol' skipped leg day flapjack ass Brown Hornet get out the way situation. To my untrained eye anyway. I admit, I'm not the assistant head coach of anything. I didn't have a real point, just thought it was funny because I remembered that Bodine was kind of the "anti-finesse" pick in recent years and nobody likes him either. (Christian Westerman would also fall into the anti-finesse category. To your point, I don't think they're going out of their way to target finesse linemen.) Dielman seems like a very tough guy even if his game is more finesse/technique than brute strength. I'm a Buckeye fan and I'd say that's a pretty accurate description of Pat Elflein as well (who everyone here seems to love). OL are probably the toughest position to scout, so I do think your point about taking the scouting reports with a giant grain of salt is right on. We'll see if this guy turns into anything or not. I don't have a strong take on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I like the Dielman pick. He may not ever amount to anything but it's a 3rd day flyer. He has some upside. It's not like TJ Johnson's roster spot is unassailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I don't care if it's finesse or power I just want someone that doesn't suck ass like Bodine. My god between him and ogheibi we have the 2 worst players in the league . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 18 hours ago, spicoli said: It took Richie quite awhile to develop into that guy though....I actually still have the same kind of hopes for Bodine. Yeah, people always seem to forget that he was picked as a GUARD by the Cardinals, waived, then picked up here--having never played center. Even here, he wasn't immediately put in the position. And i I still remember people bitching and complaining about him during his first few seasons at center, so nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, SocalBengalEd said: I don't care if it's finesse or power I just want someone that doesn't suck ass like Bodine. My god between him and ogheibi we have the 2 worst players in the league . Hoping for a big turn-around from Ced, and not the kind where he's chasing a DE into Andy's lap. A real off-season could do wonders for him. Could. Don't care how they get it done either, I just want to see that YPC finally climb out of the cellar. I do think that's at least much on the lineage of pass-wacky OC's and their "creative" schemes as it is the guys on the line themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimKrumrieFan Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 He had a shot to be a day 2 pick if he doesn't break his foot and finished his year strong. Pretty happy to get a guy that might have slipped just because he didn't get to play. Also love the potential versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Le Tigre said: And i I still remember people bitching and complaining about him during his first few seasons at center, so nothing new. it is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Game film on JJ Dielman http://draftbreakdown.com/video/j-j-dielman-vs-byu-2016/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pucksinwah Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 On 4/29/2017 at 3:57 PM, T-Dub said: FFS. Why is Alexander allergic to guys that can actually anchor and generate some push? Sure, 5th-round pick, but still.. Who wants finesse in an offensive lineman? Give us a damned bulldozer this isn't ballroom dancing. seems the Bengals just don't value Centers high....our OC's always seem to be 4th rd picks.... some other teams pick them higher...Shitsburgh w/ Pouncy in rd #1.... Browns have taken a couple in rd #2....seems it really pays off in the long run imo...... I thought w/ Bodine a FA next yr we'd pick on this year in rds 3-4....?? oh well.....seems this year we'll succeed or fail based on what our O-line does..... my guess right now is they'll be...ok-ish...?? haha...... a lukewarm endorsement.... W/ Ross & Mixon I think the Offense has to be better than last yr....20 points per gams won't cut it .....we HAVE to score more points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 It's a bad OL that lost their 2 best players. I doubt an out-of-position Andre Smith is the fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 9 hours ago, pucksinwah said: seems the Bengals just don't value Centers high....our OC's always seem to be 4th rd picks.... some other teams pick them higher...Shitsburgh w/ Pouncy in rd #1.... Browns have taken a couple in rd #2....seems it really pays off in the long run imo...... I thought w/ Bodine a FA next yr we'd pick on this year in rds 3-4....?? oh well.....seems this year we'll succeed or fail based on what our O-line does..... my guess right now is they'll be...ok-ish...?? haha...... a lukewarm endorsement.... W/ Ross & Mixon I think the Offense has to be better than last yr....20 points per gams won't cut it .....we HAVE to score more points... Not so (respectfully said)... St. Paul Brown said to always "start with a Center" made Bob Johnson the first ever Bengals draft selection and the only Bengal to have his number retired. Forgotten and all time underrated Center Blair Bush was also a first round pick and spent many years as a Bengal and appeared in a Super Bowl. Also, both served as long snapper saving a space on the roster. Would like to go back to that. I think its when they got away from addressing the strong Center position they became shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: It's a bad OL that lost their 2 best players. it's only bad if Ogb and Fisher don't develop......not sure why everyone has already written that possibility off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 50 minutes ago, spicoli said: it's only bad if Ogb and Fisher don't develop......not sure why everyone has already written that possibility off. How much development do you expect in one offseason? I don't see Ced going from completely lost at RT to All-Pro LT. The thing is, it's not just a matter of him getting better. To improve over last season he & Smith have to be better than the guys they've replaced. That seems totally unrealistic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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