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49 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Multiple media commentators have said that Johnson was flat out awful last Friday. I happen to like Kat Terrel's coverage of the Bengals, and one of her first takeaways from the game was that Johnson had lost a step.

 

Observation from re-watching the Bengals first preseason game: Michael Johnson just looks like he's slowed down a lot. Knocked down twice.

 

There's one play where he tries a spin move and just falls down. The LT barely touched him. And knocked down twice in maybe 15 snaps?

It's worth noting that she's also reported that he's looked a lot better in practice this week.

 

 

One bad preseason game is indicative of nothing.  Maybe he's lost a step.  Maybe he hasn't.  Maybe getting clowned like that will light a fire under his ass.  Maybe it won't.  There is no way to tell that from 15 snaps in the first exhibition game of the year.  His historical level of performance is a better indicator of his ability than 15 preseason snaps, and his historical level of performance is 'adequate NFL starter'.  Not a star, but not a bum either.

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17 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Some of them will, yeah.  There are DB's who are every bit as fast as Ross, even without pads.  This came up in another thread, but just about every NFL starter is a freak athlete by default.  40 times and bench reps only get you in the door.  We all know Ross can run fast.  Whether he can produce as an NFL player is a much bigger question.  That's no knock on Ross, btw - just the reality of being a draft pick.  Every year fans think their team has drafted some world-beater, next-level kid who is going to turn the league upside down.  Then they take the field and run into everyone else's world-beater, next-level kid.  

 

Point being, let's see him beat out LaFell before y'all go having his babies. :P

Unfortuntely that is just not true in this case. Ross showed he's faster than fuck by scoring on 5 90yd+ plays....

 

Teams will be scared shitless to bump him, especially with AJ green on the opposite side of the field. No way they don't put a safety over the top on Ross if they're bumping him, that means Aj is left in 1 on 1 coverage. Then you have Eifert, and to add another wrinkle Mixon. All Ross has to do is show he's faster than the other teams #2 DB and it's game over.

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59 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

Johnson is the New Peko.  Or Maualuga.  Take your choice.

He is the new Robert Geathers.

 

Remember in 2012 when so many fans were squealing that Geathers should be cut instead of starting in front of Dunlap?  And do you also remember how Dunlap played about the same number of snaps as Geathers and we ended up with the #6 defense in the league?  Players like Geathers and Jonhson play important roles and help produce top level defenses. 

 

Too many people just look at sack numbers, but the difference between the league leaders in sacks and the average players is often less than one sack per game.  You can not ignore what players do on the other several hundred snaps they play when they are not getting sacks.  Johnson still produces lots of QB pressures, tipped passes, tackles for loss, and total tackles.

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3 hours ago, Steve4192 said:

One bad preseason game is indicative of nothing.  Maybe he's lost a step.  Maybe he hasn't.  Maybe getting clowned like that will light a fire under his ass.  Maybe it won't.  There is no way to tell that from 15 snaps in the first exhibition game of the year.  His historical level of performance is a better indicator of his ability than 15 preseason snaps, and his historical level of performance is 'adequate NFL starter'.  Not a star, but not a bum either.

Just pointing out that it's not such a crazy thing to say. And the NFL is very much a "what have you done for me lately" league.

Hopefully it does light a fire for him or he's simply going to be a victim of the numbers game. We have 16 guys fighting for 8 or 9 spots on the D-Line, and some additions who came out much better than MJ on Friday night. Hopefully, "adequate" won't be enough to make the club come cut-down day. I still think Mike Brown is allergic to dead money, so that's in his favor.

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I'm with you on hoping 'adequate' is not enough to make the club.  The only problem I see with cutting Johnson right now is that all of the other DE candidates look like third-down pass-rush specialists at this point.  I don't see them holding up well against smash-mouth run blocking. 

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1 hour ago, LostInDaJungle said:

 Hopefully, "adequate" won't be enough to make the club come cut-down day.

 

1 hour ago, Steve4192 said:

I'm with you on hoping 'adequate' is not enough to make the club. 

You guys are nuts if you believe we will be carrying 5 Pro Bowl quality DEs on our roster this year.  When was the last time you knew of any team in the league doing that? 

 

Quality NFL starters don't just fall off of trees.  No team in the league has them 2 deep at every position.

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6 hours ago, turningpoint said:

Unfortuntely that is just not true in this case. 

 

What's not true?  

 

That a DB that clocked a 4.3 isn't going to be lost against a WR that might run 40 yards in shorts less than a tenth of a second faster?  Or that Ross is a rookie who hasn't proven anything yet?

 

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Ross showed he's faster than fuck by scoring on 5 90yd+ plays....

 

In the PAC-12.  Pittsburgh's DB's won't give a shit and neither should you.

 

I'll get hyped on Ross when he's not listed as 3rd string on the depth chart, that's all I'm saying.

 

:hmmm-min:

 

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22 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

What's not true?  

 

That a DB that clocked a 4.3 isn't going to be lost against a WR that might run 40 yards in shorts less than a tenth of a second faster?  Or that Ross is a rookie who hasn't proven anything yet?

 

 

In the PAC-12.  Pittsburgh's DB's won't give a shit and neither should you.

 

I'll get hyped on Ross when he's not listed as 3rd string on the depth chart, that's all I'm saying.

 

:hmmm-min:

 

Please name all the DB's in the league that run 4.3 40's and are worth a shit, meaning they can actually cover, and then are strong enough to press. Patrick peterson is about the only one i can think of and he is going to cover AJ Green.

 

 

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3 hours ago, turningpoint said:

Please name all the DB's in the league that run 4.3 40's and are worth a shit, meaning they can actually cover, and then are strong enough to press. Patrick peterson is about the only one i can think of and he is going to cover AJ Green.

 

 

 

Oh you mean running a 4.3 doesn't automatically make them good corners?  Kind of like how running a 4.2 doesn't automatically make Ross a good NFL receiver?

 

Thank you kindly for illustrating my point; that's exactly what I was trying to get across to begin with.

 

Johnathan Joseph ran a 4.31, FWIW.

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1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

 

Oh you mean running a 4.3 doesn't automatically make them good corners?  Kind of like how running a 4.2 doesn't automatically make Ross a good NFL receiver?

 

Thank you kindly for illustrating my point; that's exactly what I was trying to get across to begin with.

 

Johnathan Joseph ran a 4.31, FWIW.

No, just running a 4.2 won't make you a good WR.  But Ross doesn't "just" run a 4.2.  His runs good routes and he catches well.  He is not a 1 trick pony.  Granted, he hasn't done it in the NFL yet, but no one did before their rookie year.  

 

And Joseph ran a 4.31 10 years ago.  He probably doesn't run that now.

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14 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Oh you mean running a 4.3 doesn't automatically make them good corners?  Kind of like how running a 4.2 doesn't automatically make Ross a good NFL receiver?

 

Thank you kindly for illustrating my point; that's exactly what I was trying to get across to begin with.

 

Johnathan Joseph ran a 4.31, FWIW.

Ross' speed alone doesn't make him a good NFL receiver, agreed. He could be below average at everything else, but his speed alone will get him away from any NFL corner jamming him, and there isn't many worth a shit that can run a sub 4.4. 

 

Ross is going to own the nfl once he figures it out.

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9 minutes ago, turningpoint said:

Ross' speed alone doesn't make him a good NFL receiver, agreed. He could be below average at everything else, but his speed alone will get him away from any NFL corner jamming him, and there isn't many worth a shit that can run a sub 4.4. 

 

Ross is going to own the nfl once he figures it out.

 

Sure, him and Bennie Brazell.

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Just now, T-Dub said:

 

Sure, him and Bennie Brazell.

 

Dude he wasn't drafted 9th overall because he's only fast. Just like corners that are really good usually aren't draft because of just their speed. There's more 5 corners in the NFL i think that could bump Ross and stick with him if the bump fails.  You act like he's going to just get driven to the ground every time, its stupid to even worry about it.

 

 

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Just now, turningpoint said:

 

Dude he wasn't drafted 9th overall because he's only fast. Just like corners that are really good usually aren't draft because of just their speed. There's more 5 corners in the NFL i think that could bump Ross and stick with him if the bump fails.  You act like he's going to just get driven to the ground every time, its stupid to even worry about it.

 

 

 

Nah I'm not worried about it.  Not even worth thinking about until he can beat Tyler Boyd for 2nd string #2 WR.

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Just now, T-Dub said:

 

Nah I'm not worried about it.  Not even worth thinking about until he can beat Tyler Boyd for 2nd string #2 WR.

Yes, you're right the bengals will just bench him, no way they design 10-15 plays for him a game. He will be lucky if he sniffs the field by week 13. :rolleyes:

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1 minute ago, turningpoint said:

Yes, you're right the bengals will just bench him, no way they design 10-15 plays for him a game. He will be lucky if he sniffs the field by week 13. :rolleyes:

 

Hey take it up with the coaches - I don't make the depth charts.

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1 hour ago, kennethmw said:

No, you don't.  You just act like they matter, even though the coaches say they don't.

 

Well, they matter as far as who is actually on the field.

 

All I've said is that Ross hasn't done anything yet.  That's it.  

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On 8/17/2017 at 9:49 AM, T-Dub said:

 

Nah I'm not worried about it.  Not even worth thinking about until he can beat Tyler Boyd for 2nd string #2 WR.

 

He is worth thinking about if you want to have knowledge of the players that will make a difference this year.

 

See, I have enough knowledge to know that he will have an impact this year.  I understand that you are unaware of this because you have chosen to remain ignorant by refusing to even think about Ross's potential, but you will learn about him eventually.

 

You will also be pleasantly surprised when you learn about our third string RB.  His name is Joe Mixon.

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16 minutes ago, fredtoast said:

 

He is worth thinking about if you want to have knowledge of the players that will make a difference this year.

 

See, I have enough knowledge to know that he will have an impact this year.  I understand that you are unaware of this because you have chosen to remain ignorant by refusing to even think about Ross's potential, but you will learn about him eventually.

 

You will also be pleasantly surprised when you learn about our third string RB.  His name is Joe Mixon.

 

Yes, everyone is ignorant but you.  There is no such thing as draft busts.   

 

Or if there are draft busts, it's because those complete idiot NFL scouts should have listened to an expert like you.

 

WTF ever man.  Get over yourself.

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12 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Yes, everyone is ignorant but you.  There is no such thing as draft busts.   

 

Or if there are draft busts, it's because those complete idiot NFL scouts should have listened to an expert like you.

 

WTF ever man.  Get over yourself.

 

Actually the only people I called ignorant were the ones who refused to educate themselves about certain players because they were "not even worth thinking about" until they reached a certain level on preseason depth charts.

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18 minutes ago, fredtoast said:

 

Actually the only people I called ignorant were the ones who refused to educate themselves about certain players because they were "not even worth thinking about" until they reached a certain level on preseason depth charts.

Yeah sorry T-dub, but I agree you're ignorant, or simple, but it's definitely one or it could be both.

 

Anywho, I can't wait to see the plays they will employ with Ross and Mixon.  What's going to be real nuts is Ross in plays on those Star-wars plays.

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31 minutes ago, fredtoast said:

 

Actually the only people I called ignorant were the ones who refused to educate themselves about certain players because they were "not even worth thinking about" until they reached a certain level on preseason depth charts.

 

Actually, you're quick with the name-calling any time you get the opportunity.  I admit I could be wrong about Ross.  The thing is, even if I am? You'll still be an asshole.

 

12 minutes ago, turningpoint said:

Yeah sorry T-dub, but I agree you're ignorant, or simple, but it's definitely one or it could be both.

 

 

 

Maybe, but at least I'm not calling people names over some football player that doesn't know I exist.  You guys keep swinging from his dick like that and he'll never be healthy enough to play.  Just something to think about whenever you come up for air.  Good effort though.  

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5 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Actually, you're quick with the name-calling any time you get the opportunity.  I admit I could be wrong about Ross.  The thing is, even if I am? You'll still be an asshole.

 

You posts are nothing but bitching moaning and making childish personal insults about the Bengals players and coaches and other members here.  So how do you figure that you are not an ass hole?

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