|schotzee| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Disagree that it's rare at all. Even if it's unforgivable.. OK. That's not what Burfict was suspended for. That's a 5 game suspension to you? It wasn't even flagged. Doesn't matter. He's been selected main donor towards their cte lawsuit fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, schotzee said: Doesn't matter. He's been selected main donor towards their cte lawsuit fund. Can't see how suspending one dude is going to help them out there anyway. They aren't suing Burfict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Disagree that it's rare at all. Even if it's unforgivable.. OK. That's not what Burfict was suspended for. That's a 5 game suspension to you? It wasn't even flagged. You continue to act like these fouls are not cumulative. Burfict was fined 6 times for every manner of personal foul to include hitting a guy in the nuts and the ankle twists LONG BEFORE he was ever suspended. Plenty of those fines were for things that the refs did not see during the game. That is 6 fines BEFORE the NFL finally started to dock him games. With the number of cameras in every game, the NFL has become very efficient at fining players for the stupid high school shit Burfict tried to pull earlier in his career after the fact. The fact is fines have a set minimum value for first and second offense. http://www.footballzebras.com/2016/08/29/nfl-schedule-of-fines-for-2016-season/ Once you get past that you are at the mercy of the Commissioner. Here is the list of players who have been suspended. Plenty of players not named Burfict on this list for poking other players in the eye, helmet to helmet, breaking a teammate's jaw in practice etc.. Burfict long ago used up his second offense for these types of things so he is pretty much subject to suspension due to the new rules every time he does something wrong. Same goes with PacMan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_League Was the above hit worthy of a 5 (reduced to 3) game fine? No. If you take the entire Resume of Burfict into account before passing judgement? Yes, since that is the authority the players have given Roger Goodell. Last point: I have seen Burfict on many occasions ALMOST take a guys head off. Every game seems to have that one or two hits that were almost knock out blows and would have drawn a huge fine (along with suspensions now). Some of these types of helmet leading hits have forced Vontaze himself out of the game. If he doesn't change his ways, he will either be siting more or out due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Disagree that it's rare at all. Even if it's unforgivable.. OK. That's not what Burfict was suspended for. That's a 5 game suspension to you? It wasn't even flagged. And when he twisted Can Newton's ankle and punched a Packer in the Favres, he got off with fines because he wasn't a repeat offender yet. So, back to the weed analogy... Dude gets pinched with a gram on him and does 10 years because he has 9 prior convictions. He wasn't even high at the time. Another guy gets pinched with a half an ounce, but he's never been in trouble before so he gets off with probation. I don't even think that we've established that as being unfair in this country, much less corrupt. In fact, we've pretty much said that kind of justice IS fair. Burfict has a staggering, record breaking number of fines. You can't compare him to any other player in the league. I realize I'm not going to change your mind... You're tailgating on the tinfoil bus. Everything is a conspiracy out to get you. The league is out to get us every time there's a holding call. The NFL is no better than the WWE. So, ummmm, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Literally Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I haven't been here for about 10 pages. Did you guys figure out if he deserved it or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Hooky said: I haven't been here for about 10 pages. Did you guys figure out if he deserved it or not? No, I think we're waiting on more witness testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Also, I'm not sure why you guys defending the decision are totally disregarding Marvin's defense against it. Obviously Marvin knows all if tezs past transgressions as well. He may be a lot of things to you guys but he is certainly a man of high character and he presented a legitimate argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hooky said: I haven't been here for about 10 pages. Did you guys figure out if he deserved it or not? We've determined that Goodell is a shape shifting lizard person who drinks the blood of chihuahuas, runs a sex slave ring out of a Casino's pizza in Centerville, and hates Burfict and Mike Brown because they are the only men who can stand in the way of his plan for world domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, schotzee said: Also, I'm not sure why you guys defending the decision are totally disregarding Marvin's defense against it. Obviously Marvin knows all if tezs past transgressions as well. He may be a lot of things to you guys but he is certainly a man of high character and he presented a legitimate argument. He's also a coach without a contract extension who needs to win some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, schotzee said: Also, I'm not sure why you guys defending the decision are totally disregarding Marvin's defense against it. Obviously Marvin knows all if tezs past transgressions as well. He may be a lot of things to you guys but he is certainly a man of high character and he presented a legitimate argument. A legitimate argument that is discounted because he has a huge interest in keeping him on the field. His "he's changed" point is pointless. The argument did get the suspension reduced to 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, schotzee said: Also, I'm not sure why you guys defending the decision are totally disregarding Marvin's defense against it. Obviously Marvin knows all if tezs past transgressions as well. He may be a lot of things to you guys but he is certainly a man of high character and he presented a legitimate argument. Never mind that. The NFL keeps suspending him so he deserves to be suspended as a repeat offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: We've determined that Goodell is a shape shifting lizard person who drinks the blood of chihuahuas, runs a sex slave ring out of a Casino's pizza in Centerville, and hates Burfict and Mike Brown because they are the only men who can stand in the way of his plan for world domination. It took 12 pages to figure that out? You guys are slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: We've determined that Goodell is a shape shifting lizard person who drinks the blood of chihuahuas, runs a sex slave ring out of a Casino's pizza in Centerville, and hates Burfict and Mike Brown because they are the only men who can stand in the way of his plan for world domination. Not the chihuahuas!!! OH GOD... PLEASE NOT THE CHIHUAHUAS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, USN Bengal said: Not the chihuahuas!!! OH GOD... PLEASE NOT THE CHIHUAHUAS!!! They deserved it, ESPN said so. And if you can't trust ESPN well.. well then.. Um. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, UncleEarl said: A legitimate argument that is discounted because he has a huge interest in keeping him on the field. His "he's changed" point is pointless. The argument did get the suspension reduced to 3 games. The "he's changed" argument is pointless only if he hasn't changed. The arbitrator specified the hit as being "from the side or back" (and thus against the new rules), while the video clearly shows shoulder pads into the numbers...the FRONT numbers. This is nothing more than punishment for past transgressions...for which he has already been punished. Burfect's past behavior has certainly earned the close scrutiny of the league, but this punishment is a miscarriage of justice. Has he changed? I hope so, but I don't yet know. What I do know is that hit for which he is being punished is NOT proof that he has not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: They deserved it, ESPN said so. And if you can't trust ESPN well.. well then.. Um. OH THE HUMANITY.... well of course it it must be true because ESPN... errr... Make America Gre.... errr... 'MURICA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I haven't been here for about 10 pages. Did you guys figure out if he deserved it or not? Ha ha.. he deserves a public stoning..Duh Mama says he's the devil!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, fluhartz said: Ha ha.. he deserves a public stoning..Duh Mama says he's the devil!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthPaw Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 hours ago, SF2 said: You continue to act like these fouls are not cumulative. Burfict was fined 6 times for every manner of personal foul to include hitting a guy in the nuts and the ankle twists LONG BEFORE he was ever suspended. Plenty of those fines were for things that the refs did not see during the game. That is 6 fines BEFORE the NFL finally started to dock him games. With the number of cameras in every game, the NFL has become very efficient at fining players for the stupid high school shit Burfict tried to pull earlier in his career after the fact. The fact is fines have a set minimum value for first and second offense. http://www.footballzebras.com/2016/08/29/nfl-schedule-of-fines-for-2016-season/ Once you get past that you are at the mercy of the Commissioner. Here is the list of players who have been suspended. Plenty of players not named Burfict on this list for poking other players in the eye, helmet to helmet, breaking a teammate's jaw in practice etc.. Burfict long ago used up his second offense for these types of things so he is pretty much subject to suspension due to the new rules every time he does something wrong. Same goes with PacMan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_League Was the above hit worthy of a 5 (reduced to 3) game fine? No. If you take the entire Resume of Burfict into account before passing judgement? Yes, since that is the authority the players have given Roger Goodell. Last point: I have seen Burfict on many occasions ALMOST take a guys head off. Every game seems to have that one or two hits that were almost knock out blows and would have drawn a huge fine (along with suspensions now). Some of these types of helmet leading hits have forced Vontaze himself out of the game. If he doesn't change his ways, he will either be siting more or out due to injury. That does it. The league hates all of those guys!!!! No fair No fair No fair!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthPaw Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: And when he twisted Can Newton's ankle and punched a Packer in the Favres, he got off with fines because he wasn't a repeat offender yet. So, back to the weed analogy... Dude gets pinched with a gram on him and does 10 years because he has 9 prior convictions. He wasn't even high at the time. Another guy gets pinched with a half an ounce, but he's never been in trouble before so he gets off with probation. I don't even think that we've established that as being unfair in this country, much less corrupt. In fact, we've pretty much said that kind of justice IS fair. Burfict has a staggering, record breaking number of fines. You can't compare him to any other player in the league. I realize I'm not going to change your mind... You're tailgating on the tinfoil bus. Everything is a conspiracy out to get you. The league is out to get us every time there's a holding call. The NFL is no better than the WWE. So, ummmm, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthPaw Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Cricket said: The "he's changed" argument is pointless only if he hasn't changed. The arbitrator specified the hit as being "from the side or back" (and thus against the new rules), while the video clearly shows shoulder pads into the numbers...the FRONT numbers. This is nothing more than punishment for past transgressions...for which he has already been punished. Burfect's past behavior has certainly earned the close scrutiny of the league, but this punishment is a miscarriage of justice. Has he changed? I hope so, but I don't yet know. What I do know is that hit for which he is being punished is NOT proof that he has not changed. This is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I thought Burfict toned it down last year and played well after the Patriots game. The fine and suspension this year is very questionable and if it had been Nick Vigil it probably would have been a small fine at worse. Burfict is a marked man fair or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 I agree that Burfict was a dirty player early in his career, and he still skirts the border of the rules (the Antonio Brown hit) fairly recently but I have to agree that this current suspension is bullshit, and it really hurts our defense. He's our best defensive player by a longshot. I think every real or perceived transgression should be judged as a single event and not be colored by past events, which is what's happening here. Whenever the next NFLPA contract gets done, they need to remove Goodell as judge, jury and executioner. They need a panel of independent judges to decide these things. The NFLPA should select a few, and then Goodell can select some. Make it the NFL Supreme Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 One thing about The Predator and the bad boy stuff ... if he was all that much of a criminal, I think there would have been something happen off the field, too. And I haven't heard anything. ***knock on wood*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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