|schotzee| Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, High School Harry said: Any word on who is replacing him yet? Gary Barnidge is still a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, CincyInDC said: Utecht doesn't even remember playing for the bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Griever said: Man, what could have been if he could have just stayed healthy. He was one of only 4 elite players on our team (Green Atkins, Burfict) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, fredtoast said: He was one of only 4 elite players on our team (Green Atkins, Burfict) He had one good season (2015) and wasn't even in the top 10 for yards by a TE. Yeah had a lot of TDs that season but never duplicated it. You are not elite because of 1 season and 1 data point. Guy was a first round pick and will have missed more than half his games over a 5 year period. He is a modern day Greg Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, SF2 said: You are not elite because of 1 season and 1 data point. So you think Curtis Martin was the 4th best RB in league history? To me being "elite" is about skills, not career stats. Bo Jackson was a much more "elite" RB than Curtis Martin even though he did not play as long. If you need a first down are you going to throw to the guy with the most talent or the guy who has played the longest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, fredtoast said: So you think Curtis Martin was the 4th best RB in league history? To me being "elite" is about skills, not career stats. Bo Jackson was a much more "elite" RB than Curtis Martin even though he did not play as long. If you need a first down are you going to throw to the guy with the most talent or the guy who has played the longest? I'm going with the guy that's played the longest...since he's on the field and Eifert is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 It's a shame about Eifert. His body just hasn't held up and his career is very much in doubt after a third back surgery. Nevermind the money he has lost due to injury. I don't think you can call him a "bust" since one of his 5 seasons was Pro Bowl caliber and even his rookie year was decent despite ending it injured. I will remember him as another snakebitten player in the history of our cursed franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 12 hours ago, Dr Tarzan said: WEll, that's the end for Mr Eifert in a Bengals uniform unless he wants to come back in a "prove it" season at minimum wage....nobody will pay him anything else, if the man is stupid enough to try to continue this sport. That would be the smart thing. But I think someone might take a 1 year risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 hours ago, fredtoast said: So you think Curtis Martin was the 4th best RB in league history? To me being "elite" is about skills, not career stats. Bo Jackson was a much more "elite" RB than Curtis Martin even though he did not play as long. If you need a first down are you going to throw to the guy with the most talent or the guy who has played the longest? I think Curtis Martin is a Hall of Fame running back that rushed for 1000+ yards in each of his first 10 seasons and who led the league in rushing (1697 years) AND was an All Pro running back at age 31. I think he is a guy that missed 4 games in his first 10 years. He is guy that answered the bell every time it rang. A guy that had almost the same amount of receiving yards in his first 5 years as Tyler Eifert. A guy that played in 10 playoff games and won 5 which is the same number of victories as the entire Bengals franchise has had in 50 years. He is a guy that has the #3 ranked Chris Berman nickname. Bo Jackson was a 4 season part time football player that had a great marketing team around him. Certainly a great college player but he didn't make his football career a priority. He played in 1 playoff game and it was the last game he ever played,.. against the Bengals. We lost. Ironically, the game came 1 week after our last playoff win on January 6, 1991 almost 27 years ago. Tyler Eifert is a guy that had one decent season. Gronk, Graham, Olsen, and Witten had better seasons that year. He is known by few fans outside of Cincinnati and hard core fantasy players He won the John Mackey award in college, the same award Chase Coffman won. He will be a footnote in the league. He was NEVER elite. If you told anyone outside of Cincinnati he was elite, that would look at you and laugh if they actually know who he is. If I need a first down, I am going to throw the ball to AJ Green since he will actually be playing. You really need to stop washing Mike Brown's pecker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, SF2 said: If you told anyone outside of Cincinnati he was elite, that would look at you and laugh if they actually know who he is. Tyler Eifert Is Quickly Becoming the NFL's Next Elite Tight End http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2571731-tyler-eifert-is-quickly-becoming-the-nfls-next-elite-tight-end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, SF2 said: I think Curtis Martin is a Hall of Fame running back that rushed for 1000+ yards in each of his first 10 seasons and who led the league in rushing (1697 years) AND was an All Pro running back at age 31. I think he is a guy that missed 4 games in his first 10 years. He is guy that answered the bell every time it rang. A guy that had almost the same amount of receiving yards in his first 5 years as Tyler Eifert. A guy that played in 10 playoff games and won 5 which is the same number of victories as the entire Bengals franchise has had in 50 years. He is a guy that has the #3 ranked Chris Berman nickname. Bo Jackson was a 4 season part time football player that had a great marketing team around him. Certainly a great college player but he didn't make his football career a priority. He played in 1 playoff game and it was the last game he ever played,.. against the Bengals. We lost. Ironically, the game came 1 week after our last playoff win on January 6, 1991 almost 27 years ago. Your sure typed a lot of bullshit to try and cover up the fact that you refuse to say Curtis Martin was a better RB than Bo Jackson. Seriously, why type all of that when all you had to say was that Curtis Martin was better than Bo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Calling bullshit on not being elite. You don't just accidentally score 18 touchdowns in 21 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 8 hours ago, fredtoast said: Your sure typed a lot of bullshit to try and cover up the fact that you refuse to say Curtis Martin was a better RB than Bo Jackson. Seriously, why type all of that when all you had to say was that Curtis Martin was better than Bo? Because he's not... Bo Jackson was a freak and it's too bad that he got hurt. Martin was a great player for sure.. HOF isn't just given to you, but Bo was a better player... we just didn't get to see enough of it. How the fuck did a thread about Eifert turn in to a Curtis Martin...Bo Jackson debate? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, JC said: Calling bullshit on not being elite. You don't just accidentally score 18 touchdowns in 21 games. He isn't elite. His one good year was 2015. We had a very good pass blocking o line, AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mo Sanu and Gio coming out of the backfield. Eifert was a matchup nightmare and regularly found himself defended by linebackers due to the other 3 receivers and Bernard. Using your criteria, Nick Foles is elite. Vernon Davis had 13 TDs in 2009 thus he is elite. You are not elite if you don't play. He had a really good season in 2015, nothing more and everyone here forgets that players like Marvin Jones and Eifert are the lucky recipients of having AJ Green on your team. Jones hasn't done much in Detroit considering the money they spent. Golden Tate isn't AJ Green. Jermaine Gresham was a 2 time pro bowler playing with AJ Green. Hasn't done shit in Arizona playing with an older slower Larry Fitzgerald and....anyone? The Raiders never won anything with Bo Jackson on their team. In 4 years, Bo Jackson never lead the league in any statistical category other than longest TD run for the year. Yeah, he had great running talent and ran over Brian Bosworth but most NFL coaches want their players in training camp and playing all 16 games every year,..not 10. He was limited on plays he could run due to lack of preparation so he didn't even get many carries a game considering his ability. Rarely thrown the ball since he didn't know the plays well enough and couldn't pass block for same reason. Every time Bo left the field, everyone knew it was going to be a pass. Averaged 10 catches per SEASON. ONE DIMENSIONAL PLAYER. Marcus Allen was a far more accomplished and COMPLETE player. We have such low standards as Bengals fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 How is his criteria comparable to Nick Foles or Vernon Davis? They have multiple seasons where they have shown they were not as good as those numbers suggest. Whenever Tyler has been able to play, he has been an elite player. Its not even the stats. Its his ability to line up anywhere on the football field and create huge mismatches judging by the 18 touchdowns in 21 games. Hell, 18 touchdowns in the past 23 games is still insane. You wanna know why that team in '15 was so good? Its because Tyler turned possessions into touchdowns instead of missed Mike Nugent field goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, SF2 said: Eifert was a matchup nightmare and regularly found himself defended by linebackers due to the other 3 receivers and Bernard. It is amazing the mental gymnastics that some people here will go through just to shit on a Bengal. But the saddest thing is when people just make up stuff when they don't have any actual facts. Here are the highlights of Eiferts '15 season. Pretty much every TD was against a DB Raiders..CB Neiko Thomas, CB D.J. Hayden, Pro Bowl CB Charles Woodson Bills CB Cory Williams, Seahawks Pro Bowl Safety Kam Chancellor and Safety Baccari Rambo, Browns Pro Bowl Safety Tashaun Gibson, Cardinals CBs Tony Jefferson and Jerraud Powers, and ravens CB Lardarius Webb. If you ever actually watched Eifert play you would have saw a guy in a TEs body who could cut and run routes like a WR. He was a match up nightmare for not just LBs but also DBs. He was an elite athlete. If he had played on a team with weak WRs his yardage and receptions would have been much higher, but he was so good that even with great WRs playing around him he was the main threat in the Redzone when matched up against DBs. Using your criteria, Nick Foles is elite. No he is not. My criteria is not juts stats. It is watching guys perform in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, SF2 said: Marcus Allen was a far more accomplished and COMPLETE player. Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson played behind the same O-line for 4 years. Here are the numbers Allen.........50.2 rush ypg......3.8 avg.......71.6 yards from scrimmage per game Jackson.....73.2 rush ypg......5.4 avg.......82.5 yards from scrimmage per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Of course he is. No contract extension for you Tyler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, fredtoast said: Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson played behind the same O-line for 4 years. Here are the numbers Allen.........50.2 rush ypg......3.8 avg.......71.6 yards from scrimmage per game Jackson.....73.2 rush ypg......5.4 avg.......82.5 yards from scrimmage per game yea... Bo was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 34 minutes ago, fluhartz said: yea... Bo was better Take Marcus Allen's best 4 years and compare to Bo. Take Allen's best year, 1985 and compare to Bo's best year. Jackson was a part time player. Seriously you guys love shiny objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, SF2 said: Take Marcus Allen's best 4 years and compare to Bo. Take Allen's best year and compare to Bo's. Jackson was a part time player. Have you not seen techmo bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, SF2 said: Take Marcus Allen's best 4 years and compare to Bo. Take Allen's best year, 1985 and compare to Bo's best year. Jackson was a part time player. But they played behind different lines in different years. Why not compare the years they played on the exact same team? Or why not compare Allens 4 WORST seasons to Bo's 4 WORST seasons? Seems to me that since you are so obsessed with career numbers more than any single season the only fair thing to do is compare Allen's career numbers to Bo's career "part time" numbers. Allen........ 55.1 rush ypg.... 4.1 ypc......... 79.5 yards from scrimmage per game Jackson... 73.2 rush ypg..... 5.4 ypc.......... 82.5 yards from scrimmage per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 22 minutes ago, fredtoast said: But they played behind different lines in different years. Why not compare the years they played on the exact same team? Or why not compare Allens 4 WORST seasons to Bo's 4 WORST seasons? Seems to me that since you are so obsessed with career numbers more than any single season the only fair thing to do is compare Allen's career numbers to Bo's career "part time" numbers. Allen........ 55.1 rush ypg.... 4.1 ypc......... 79.5 yards from scrimmage per game Jackson... 73.2 rush ypg..... 5.4 ypc.......... 82.5 yards from scrimmage per game Bo only had 4 seasons and played in only 39 games so they are one in the same. Your obsessed with making Bengals players and management decisions far better than they ever were. Eifert is not elite. He was one of the best tight ends in the game for a very BRIEF period of time just as Jackson was the best pure runners for a brief period of time. Doesn't make them elite. Elite players play at a high level for an extended period of time and are key to the actual success of the team. They win multiple awards and accolades and are recognized by their peers. Eifert has done neither. BTW, success does mean post season success at some level other than just making it to the playoffs. For you success seems to be not being as bad as we were before Marvin. Not sucking as bad is your battle cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 SF2 read the definition of elite. Doing something over an extended period of time has nothing to do with it. It's being one of the best at what you do when you're healthy enough to do it. Eifert is elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 hours ago, JC said: Calling bullshit on not being elite. You don't just accidentally score 18 touchdowns in 21 games. Total bullshit at that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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