MichaelWeston Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Our front office has really bungled quite a bit since this offseason started. 1. Didn't re-sign Andrew Whitworth: This was a complete no brainer. It's proved to be the most important position on the team because Dalton is so afraid, he's broken. That has directly led to AJ Green being so frustrated he decided to fight Jalen Ramsey. Regarding Ogbuehi, gambling on a player because you overdrafted him was idiotic. Even if you couldn't sign Whitworth before he left you had the franchise tag. Just franchise him and move forward. Then they re-signed Kirkpatrick to a huge deal which looked a lot like Panic. Kirkpatrick is a capable CB but he is not worth the salary we gave him. Plus we had 2 first rounders already on the roster and Adam Jones and Josh Shaw. 2. Outside Free Agency: Signed Kevin Minter which was ok but there was clearly a reason that they Cardinals didn't want him. Wanted to give him long term contract that he didn't take, thankfully. He has been a non factor all season and should be upgraded in the off season. Signed Andre Smith to have him play Guard. He was either bad or didn't really want to play guard, so he was moved back to tackle. That forced us to start Trey Hopkins who had been on the practice squad and injured his first few years. They otherwise completely ignored the OL. 3. Drafting John Ross in Rd 1 and not an OL: If you don't have tires on your car you don't need a spoiler. 3 Rookie LTs are starting right now and doing fine. We ignored the position and it cost us an entire season. I don't care if you like John Ross or not, and I don't care if you think that pick 9 was too early for any of those 3 starting LTs, the reality is not drafting one cost us the season. That becomes even more obvious when John Ross is a healthy inactive week 9 of his rookie season. And your coach says something like "I forget where he is drafted when all of you ask questions constantly about when he will play." 4. Drafting Jake Elliott in Rd 5: You should never ever draft a kicker. It should be a rule. The odds of them sticking and/or being good right away are none and you just waste a pick. Then cutting him was even more dumb. 5. Cutting Derron Smith and keeping Redmon just to make him inactive: I don't care if he comes back and is re-signed. Throwing him out there was as dumb and short sighted as it gets. He is playing fine and the OL is terrible. 6. The nothingness we have seen on the O line:Not trying to trade or sign a player and being unwilling to shuffle things to see if something else works has been brutal. 7. The Browns nontrade: Trying to trade AJ McCarron is great and what they would have gotten is great. But wouldn't have any of you taken a 2nd from the browns on it's own? For a player we may lose for nothing this offseason? Why were we so stubborn that it even came down to that ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodey365 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Yup it's frustrating especially when you see it all laid out there like that. I tried to be optimistic with the tackles but man what a fucking bungle there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 The cold hard reality is the multiple ineffective recent drafts have finally caught up to us. Haven't had a good draft for awhile, particularly early. As a team that isn't active in FA for the most part, it has been our downfall. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/draft.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, SF2 said: The cold hard reality is the multiple ineffective recent drafts have finally caught up to us. Haven't had a good draft for awhile, particularly early. As a team that isn't active in FA for the most part, it has been our downfall. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/draft.htm Yep, 2014-2015 were realllllllly bad and those are the years we'd expect to have a few solid, developed players out of them by now. Billings has some work to do but he's super young. If we can get Boyd on the field and his head straight he is a good WR2/3 type of player. WJIII is obviously good. If Fej ends up being a solid backup for years to come and we retain those 4 players that wouldn't be too bad of a draft and could help in the near future. 2017 is way too early to call but we really could have used some instant production from someone outside of Lawson. You can't have a Dunlap + Atkins draft every year but we desperately need one soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 What I don't understand is why WJ III is not starting over Pacman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, SmoothD said: What I don't understand is why WJ III is not starting over Pacman? They rotate them in and out quite a bit. PAC Mac does have way more experience but its obviously going to be WJIII's spot soon. Considering all the other issues this team has, this isn't a bad problem to have, 2 guys who can start at a key position and play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalFanInTO Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, SF2 said: The cold hard reality is the multiple ineffective recent drafts have finally caught up to us. Haven't had a good draft for awhile, particularly early. As a team that isn't active in FA for the most part, it has been our downfall. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/draft.htm This. It's very true. The Bengals have whiffed early and often in the draft in areas of need and the team is suffering a s a result. The offensive live is clearly a joke and it's a result of a build trough the draft mentality (piss poorly lately) combined with the refusal to make any real moves in free agency. There were a number of years when I thought the Bengals front office was actually killing it in regards to personnel decisions but they have been shitting the bed of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, omgdrdoom said: Yep, 2014-2015 were realllllllly bad and those are the years we'd expect to have a few solid, developed players out of them by now. Billings has some work to do but he's super young. If we can get Boyd on the field and his head straight he is a good WR2/3 type of player. WJIII is obviously good. If Fej ends up being a solid backup for years to come and we retain those 4 players that wouldn't be too bad of a draft and could help in the near future. 2017 is way too early to call but we really could have used some instant production from someone outside of Lawson. You can't have a Dunlap + Atkins draft every year but we desperately need one soon. Lawson played 17 snaps yesterday. What are they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: Lawson played 17 snaps yesterday. What are they thinking? What part of yesterday's game makes you think there was any synaptic exchange of thought occurring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Is it possible that Duke Tobin is gone? Or is he under a life time contract as well? I ask because I think he hasn't been drafting well AND the top candidate on the Market will be Josh McDaniels who I doubt will allow the front office to stay the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Their not having a good backup plan for losing their guards, and not valuing the guard position more than they do (center as well). I don't need them to resign a guy if he wants to be the highest paid guard in the league, but I do need them to replace a 1st Round guard with more than a 4-5th rounder. This game is won in the trenches, and those trenches include more than just the T position. Get a better O-line coach that can coach a O-line to not just pass block (which we have been pretty bad at for the past few years) but run block (which we have not been good at for a long time) Paul Alexander has got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Lance McAlisterVerified account @LanceMcAlister 5m5 minutes ago More Per @PFF OT grades Whit +12.5 (4th) Smith -8.9 (50th) Fisher -14.3 (60th) Ogbuehi -17.0 (65th) #Bengals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Lance McAlisterVerified account @LanceMcAlister 5m5 minutes ago More Per @PFF OT grades Whit +12.5 (4th) Smith -8.9 (50th) Fisher -14.3 (60th) Ogbuehi -17.0 (65th) #Bengals PFF is BS, I know what my eyes are telling me and Ogbuehi is easily -24.0 and (153) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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