AmishBengalFan Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 * Strength of Schedule (SoS) is the NFL's tiebreaker for teams with identical records, and it placed teams with weaker schedules higher in the draft order. * The SoS calculations below take in all 16 games on a team's schedule, including opponents who haven't been played yet. * Record and the SoS tiebreaker are used to determine the first 20 spots in the draft order. * The 12 teams that make the playoffs are at the bottom and fill out the remainder of the order as they're eliminated. Wild Card losers pick 21-24, Divisional losers pick 25-28, Conference Finals losers pick 29-30, with the order in that group determined by Record and SoS. Super Bowl losers pick 31, Super Bowl winners pick 32. Playoff teams are listed in the table below on Record/SoS, not on the projected order of finish in the playoffs. * Teams with identical records and SoS will flip a coin to break the tie. * Because of trades, CLE owns HOU's first round pick, and BUF owns KCC's. --- CLE traded 2017 first round pick (No 12 - Deshaun Watson, QB Clemson) to HOU for 2017 first round pick (No. 25, Jabril Peppers, S Michigan) + 2018 first round pick -- BUF traded 2017 first round pick (No 10 - Patrick Mahomes, QB Texas Tech) to KCC for 2017 first round pick (No 27, Tre'Davious White, CB LSU) + 2017 third round pick (No 91 - traded to LAR) + 2018 first round pick 2018 Draft Order (through 11/13/2017) 1: CLE (0-9) 0.000 2: SFF (1-9) 0.100 3: NYG (1-8) 0.111 4: IND (3-7) 0.3005: CIN (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.469 6: DEN (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.482 7: LAC (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.4868: CLE (from HOU (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.510) 9: CHI (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.537 10: TBB (3-6) 0.333 SoS= 0.562 11: NYJ (4-6) 0.40012: BAL (4-5) 0.444 SoS= 0.458 13: ARI (4-5) 0.444 SoS= 0.489 14: OAK (4-5) 0.444 SoS= 0.500 15: WAS (4-5) 0.444 SoS= 0.524 16: MIA (4-4) 0.500 17: DAL (5-4) 0.556 SoS= 0.482 18: DET (5-4) 0.556 SoS= 0.486 19: GBP (5-4) 0.556 SoS= 0.527 20: ATL (5-4) 0.556 SoS= 0.576 Currently In Playoffs: 21: w-BUF (5-4) 0.556 22: w-JAX (6-3) 0.667 SoS= 0.425 23: d-TEN (6-3) 0.667 SoS= 0.438 24: BUF (from d-KCC (6-3) 0.667 SoS= 0.472) 25: w-SEA (6-3) 0.667 SoS= 0.476 26: w-CAR (6-3) 0.667 SoS= 0.544 27: d-PIT (7-2) 0.778 SoS= 0.448 28: d-LAR (7-2) 0.778 SoS= 0.489 29: d-MIN (7-2) 0.778 SoS= 0.500 30: d-NEP (7-2) 0.778 SoS= 0.506 31: d-NOS (7-2) 0.778 SoS= 0.548 32: d-PHI (8-1) 0.889 w-Wild Card Team d-Division Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Well it's shaping up as a bad year for us to get a high draft pick and get a great player in a major area of need. They say Mcglinchey struggles against premium talent. Is Quenton Nelsen worth a top 5 pick? Hopefully they can pull off a Mccarron trade and get additional picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, schotzee said: Well it's shaping up as a bad year for us to get a high draft pick and get a great player in a major area of need. They say Mcglinchey struggles against premium talent. Is Quenton Nelsen worth a top 5 pick? Hopefully they can pull off a Mccarron trade and get additional picks. I don't know about that, S, DT, and LB are surely looking like potential spots of need outside of needing desperate OL help. If the draft was today I wouldn't mind seeing any of the big Bama prospects taken (Fitzpatrick, Payne, Harrison). There are quite a few decent OTs that should be available in the early 2nd round. We're looking at 3 potential comp picks with Z (3rd), Whit (5th), and Hunt (7th). 1. S (looks to be a good year with 3 guys that could be top prospects) 2. OT 3. OG/C/LB/DT 3(comp). OG/C/LB/DT 4-7. BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I imagine the ol talent moves up due to widespread need around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I'm confused on need at Safety? Illoka and Williams have long term deals.... S is not a need over OT sorry just not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 54 minutes ago, turningpoint said: I'm confused on need at Safety? Illoka and Williams have long term deals.... S is not a need over OT sorry just not even close. I don't think anyone has said S is a bigger need than OT. I don't think you're understanding my point here. If you're picking #5, you have a chance to land the best safety and a good OT in round 2. How it stands right now, it seems like any OT would be a reach at #5 overall and all of the good safeties are off the board before our 2nd round pick. See? That's not saying S is a bigger need, it just makes more sense if you're in the market for S and OT. A lot of stuff can change before draft day, but I'm going by the prospects right now along with our current draft spot. My ordered list was who I thought we should take with our current picks, not the prioritization of needs. Bad teams force positions in the draft, good teams take a strategic BPA-of need approach. Our safeties haven't been getting it done this year, and this is coming from a HUGE Iloka fan. I know it's a lot easier to point fingers at CBs for the random NFL fan, but if you watch the tape, our safeties are out of position and not giving our corners the help they should be getting. Not justifying some bad plays by our CBs, but they aren't solely to blame. "Long term deals", yep, but they both have cheap outs after 2017 is over. The dead money from their contracts drops massively heading into 2018. I know people like to think that OL is the only possible way to go in the 1st round or else we're all doomed, and yes we need a lot of OL help, but I hope we don't go OL and OL only in the 1st and take a look around at who could be available in rounds 2-3 if we can land a playmaker elsewhere with a top 5-10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said: I don't think anyone has said S is a bigger need than OT. I don't think you're understanding my point here. If you're picking #5, you have a chance to land the best safety and a good OT in round 2. How it stands right now, it seems like any OT would be a reach at #5 overall and all of the good safeties are off the board before our 2nd round pick. See? That's not saying S is a bigger need, it just makes more sense if you're in the market for S and OT. A lot of stuff can change before draft day, but I'm going by the prospects right now along with our current draft spot. My ordered list was who I thought we should take with our current picks, not the prioritization of needs. Bad teams force positions in the draft, good teams take a strategic BPA-of need approach. Our safeties haven't been getting it done this year, and this is coming from a HUGE Iloka fan. I know it's a lot easier to point fingers at CBs for the random NFL fan, but if you watch the tape, our safeties are out of position and not giving our corners the help they should be getting. Not justifying some bad plays by our CBs, but they aren't solely to blame. "Long term deals", yep, but they both have cheap outs after 2017 is over. The dead money from their contracts drops massively heading into 2018. I know people like to think that OL is the only possible way to go in the 1st round or else we're all doomed, and yes we need a lot of OL help, but I hope we don't go OL and OL only in the 1st and take a look around at who could be available in rounds 2-3 if we can land a playmaker elsewhere with a top 5-10 pick. I understand what your saying. Just a little disappointing if we end up drafting top 5 and can't get a stud offensive or defensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, schotzee said: I understand what your saying. Just a little disappointing if we end up drafting top 5 and can't get a stud offensive or defensive lineman. I'd be fine with a DT too if someone like Payne continues to look great and is worth the pick. I just don't see the top OT being a stud necessarily, and IMO the dropoff between the best safety and 2nd round safeties is a lot bigger than the best OT vs OTs that will be there early 2nd round. I could be wrong, opinions around the league and media could change, who knows what will actually happen. OL is absolutely the biggest problem on the team, but I don't know if it needs addressed with a top 5 pick if we can grab a gamechanger elsewhere and still get a more than solid OT with our early 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 No other position or group is holding us back more than O-line right now. I’m normally all on board with BPA. But in this instance if we pass on an OT worth the draft slot at all, I’ll need a new TV, and maybe a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jason said: No other position or group is holding us back more than O-line right now. I’m normally all on board with BPA. But in this instance if we pass on an OT worth the draft slot at all, I’ll need a new TV, and maybe a new team. If the team feels McGlinchey is the pick then by all means take him. I'm just not so sure he's a LT in the NFL and in that case I'd rather have the best safety or DT with a top pick. Going to lol if we take a WR or TE with a top 10 pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, omgdrdoom said: I don't think anyone has said S is a bigger need than OT. I don't think you're understanding my point here. If you're picking #5, you have a chance to land the best safety and a good OT in round 2. How it stands right now, it seems like any OT would be a reach at #5 overall and all of the good safeties are off the board before our 2nd round pick. See? That's not saying S is a bigger need, it just makes more sense if you're in the market for S and OT. A lot of stuff can change before draft day, but I'm going by the prospects right now along with our current draft spot. My ordered list was who I thought we should take with our current picks, not the prioritization of needs. Bad teams force positions in the draft, good teams take a strategic BPA-of need approach. Our safeties haven't been getting it done this year, and this is coming from a HUGE Iloka fan. I know it's a lot easier to point fingers at CBs for the random NFL fan, but if you watch the tape, our safeties are out of position and not giving our corners the help they should be getting. Not justifying some bad plays by our CBs, but they aren't solely to blame. "Long term deals", yep, but they both have cheap outs after 2017 is over. The dead money from their contracts drops massively heading into 2018. I know people like to think that OL is the only possible way to go in the 1st round or else we're all doomed, and yes we need a lot of OL help, but I hope we don't go OL and OL only in the 1st and take a look around at who could be available in rounds 2-3 if we can land a playmaker elsewhere with a top 5-10 pick. I agree, but I would hope they would trade down. Should the bengals pass on Sam Darnold if he's available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, turningpoint said: I agree, but I would hope they would trade down. Should the bengals pass on Sam Darnold if he's available? Based on the season he has had he might be there when we pick in 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, turningpoint said: I agree, but I would hope they would trade down. Should the bengals pass on Sam Darnold if he's available? Yeah probably, but I'd take Jackson or Rosen if they're available. We have a couple teams ahead of us that will almost surely be looking QB. I'd hate to take the 3rd-4th best QB with a top 10 pick. I really think I'll be bummed out if we end up with a top 5 pick and don't walk away with McGlinchey, Fitzpatrick, Payne, or one of the top 2 QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Don't mean to pour salt in a wound, but just think what we could have done with 5 picks in the first 69 selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, fredtoast said: Don't mean to pour salt in a wound, but just think what we could have done with 5 picks in the first 69 selections. Yeah draft an entire new O-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Dr Tarzan| Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 hours ago, omgdrdoom said: I don't know about that, S, DT, and LB are surely looking like potential spots of need outside of needing desperate OL help. If the draft was today I wouldn't mind seeing any of the big Bama prospects taken (Fitzpatrick, Payne, Harrison). There are quite a few decent OTs that should be available in the early 2nd round. We're looking at 3 potential comp picks with Z (3rd), Whit (5th), and Hunt (7th). 1. S (looks to be a good year with 3 guys that could be top prospects) 2. OT 3. OG/C/LB/DT 3(comp). OG/C/LB/DT 4-7. BPA 10 yr vets are not compensated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, fredtoast said: Don't mean to pour salt in a wound, but just think what we could have done with 5 picks in the first 69 selections. Not totally dead. Could still happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Much as we need an OT, I'm all for BPA in the 1st round. And before you ask, no; drafting an undersized, oft-injured WR because he runs a tenth of a second faster 40's than most players does not constitute the BPA, in my mind. Honestly given our luck with high draft picks I'd rather we trade down if there's not an absolute bad-ass there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr Tarzan said: 10 yr vets are not compensated. 10 year vets can't get you higher than a 5th rounder but they're compensated. For example, we'd get a 3rd rounder for Whit if he wasn't a 10 year vet, but we'll get a 5th for him since he is. Unless that has changed very recently without my knowledge of course. 53 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Much as we need an OT, I'm all for BPA in the 1st round. And before you ask, no; drafting an undersized, oft-injured WR because he runs a tenth of a second faster 40's than most players does not constitute the BPA, in my mind. Honestly given our luck with high draft picks I'd rather we trade down if there's not an absolute bad-ass there for the taking. Check out Bamas safeties this year. If you want a playmaker then look no further than Minkah Fitzpatrick. That's who I really want if the team doesn't love McGlinchey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr Tarzan said: 10 yr vets are not compensated. They are, but they are capped. Everything I hear says we will get a 5 for Whit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 43 minutes ago, Jason said: They are, but they are capped. Everything I hear says we will get a 5 for Whit. For a guy likely headed to the Pro Bowl (since he's in LA now & all.) That we replaced with soggy cardboard box. I do not understand the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, T-Dub said: For a guy likely headed to the Pro Bowl (since he's in LA now & all.) That we replaced with soggy cardboard box. I do not understand the math. Can't get higher than a 5th round comp for a 10+ year vet regardless of any other factors that typically determine the comp pick. Just the way it is. Another one of those random "cause we said so" type of rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 It's known as the Alan Faneca rule. The NFL formula for comp picks is secret with teams not knowing it but it's been reverse engineered over the years. After Faneca left the Stealers in free agency, the cap on veterans was discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Dr Tarzan| Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Jason said: They are, but they are capped. Everything I hear says we will get a 5 for Whit. oh, yeh, that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarkster Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Too bad the failed Skidmark deal for McWebb fell through. Having the 5th, 32nd, 65th, & 70th picks (along with our 3rd & 4th rounders as well as a couple of 3rd/4th round comps) would have allowed for several OLine picks as well as a safety & a couple of BPAs or even given us the versatility to maybe deal a pick or two for a veteran LT or maybe a center. If there is a QB you really like available at the fifth pick (and no suitable OL worth picking there), would you consider taking him and dealing Dalton for an LT, then letting the first rounder compete with McWebb for the starting spot? You have to add a viable LT before mini camps start. If there's not a LT in the Draft, maybe that's an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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