fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 We all know he has played poorly in 4 playoff games, but so have the rest of the Bengals. I just don't see Dalton as the problem with this team. There are 35 active NFL QBs who have at least 1000 pass attempts since '11. Among those 35 Dalton ranks. 1st in td receptions (tied with 3 others) 2nd in rushing tds 3rd in "Fourth Quarter Comebacks" (per Profootballreference.com) 4th in rush attempts 4th in "4th Quarter Game Winning Drives" (per Profootballreference.com) 6th in wins (regular season) 6th in lowest fumble rate (fumble per pass attempt) 9th in passing yards 10th in passing tds 14th in passer rating Does he rank among the elite? No. Is he top half of the league? No doubt. Is he top 10? Questionable. His passing numbers alone suggest he is just slightly outside of the top ten, but when you also consider "rushing tds", "fumble rate", "Game Winning Drives", and "Fourth Quarter Comebacks" you could easily argue that he is a top ten overall QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kochman Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Great post. I don't see him as the problem either. I believe he is a top 10 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Also need to consider this when judging Andy's career. Since 2011 the Bengals rank 16th in rushing yards and 27th in yards per carry. So dalton has not had a good running game to play off of. Carson Wentz looked great this year, but a lot of that was due to him playing for a team that had the #3 rushing attack in the league. Tyrod Taylor has a higher career passer rating than dalton, but in his 3 years as a starter the Bills have the #1 rushing attack in the league. Dalton has not had a lot of talent at WR other than Green. In Andy's 7 years as a starter only 2 WRs other than Green ever had as much as 800 receiving yards (LaFell in '16 and Marvin Jones in '15), and only 3 others had as much as 700 (Jerome Simpson in '11, Jones in '13, Sanu in '14) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 postseason appearances 1 TD 6 Interceptions 3 Fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: 4 postseason appearances 1 TD 6 Interceptions 3 Fumbles That about sums it up. Hard to believe that he won't shit the bed again if they do somehow get back to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, T-Dub said: 4 postseason appearances 1 TD 6 Interceptions 3 Fumbles A.J. Green in those same games 0 td 4 catches and 50 yards per game Does this mean A. J. Green sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: That about sums it up. Hard to believe that he won't shit the bed again if they do somehow get back to the playoffs. I hope he gets another shot at it, but yeah. Below a career 2-1 Td/INT ratio in the regular season.. Tends to fleeb out under pressure.. Not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: That about sums it up. Hard to believe that he won't shit the bed again if they do somehow get back to the playoffs. Who knows. Sounds like they are going to try a new mental strategy with him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: That about sums it up. Hard to believe that he won't shit the bed again if they do somehow get back to the playoffs. Joe Flacco's first 5 playoff games 47.5 completion percentage 132 passing yards per game 1 td 6 int Joe Flacco's last 10 playoff games 59.9 completion percentage 256 yards per game 24 td 4 int Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, schotzee said: Who knows. Sounds like they are going to try a new mental strategy with him though. Details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Details? Idk about details.I Just some tidbits about making him feel uncomfortable or something like that. To me it sounded like a mental strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Details? https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/bill-lazor-wants-to-push-andy-dalton-past-his-limitations/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENGALS666 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 As is the case with most middle of the road NFL QB starters, give them some pass protection, a competent run game and at least two receivers who can beat their coverage regularly and they will do fine. But this is The "let em walk" Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, schotzee said: https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/bill-lazor-wants-to-push-andy-dalton-past-his-limitations/amp/ Andy is very athletic and has the ability to scramble out of trouble, but he seems to have a hard time looking downfield while he is scrambling. That is what makes guys like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson so effective. It is not just the athletic ability to scramble away from defenders. it is also the ability to keep looking downfield and finding open receivers while scrambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, fredtoast said: Joe Flacco's first 5 playoff games 47.5 completion percentage 132 passing yards per game 1 td 6 int Joe Flacco's last 10 playoff games 59.9 completion percentage 256 yards per game 24 td 4 int You forgot to mention that Flacco was also 3-2 in his first five playoff games. But the real real question is whether or not Flacco is an elite QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, fredtoast said: Andy is very athletic and has the ability to scramble out of trouble, but he seems to have a hard time looking downfield while he is scrambling. That is what makes guys like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson so effective. It is not just the athletic ability to scramble away from defenders. it is also the ability to keep looking downfield and finding open receivers while scrambling. Well hopefully this can be an implementation as part of the practices somehow as far as the theme of making him uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 This place sounds like a Opus Dei meeting. Some of you need Burlap robes, cilice's and a discipline to beat yourselves! “Blessed be pain. Loved be pain. Sanctified be pain. Glorified be pain! Your worst enemy is yourself”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: You forgot to mention that Flacco was also 3-2 in his first five playoff games. Great point. More proof that Dalton's poor performances were not the reason we lost all 4 of those games. Football is a team sport and the entire Bengal team looked bad in those playoff losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: But the real real question is whether or not Flacco is an elite QB. Actually that has nothing to do with this thread. All I was doing was showing that just because a QB has played poorly in 4 or 5 games that does not mean he will always play like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BENGALS666 said: As is the case with most middle of the road NFL QB starters, give them some pass protection, a competent run game and at least two receivers who can beat their coverage regularly and they will do fine. But this is The "let em walk" Bengals. This. Unless you see the next big thing, and it ain't AJ "Way Better Than Dalton" McCarron, you best not throw away a competent NFL QB. Fix the offense around him. Edit: Seriously? You even forced Mc-Cooter to that garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, fredtoast said: Great point. More proof that Dalton's poor performances were not the reason we lost all 4 of those games. Football is a team sport and the entire Bengal team looked bad in those playoff losses. It doesn't prove that at all. Dalton has played poorly in every playoff game in his career and he has been a major reason they lost each of those games. He might play better if he makes it back, but personally I doubt it. The fact that Flacco won multiple playoff games with crappy numbers doesn't increase my faith in Dalton the next time around. Both of them are thoroughly mediocre QB's with the main difference being Flacco's postseason success. Dalton has none to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: You forgot to mention that Flacco was also 3-2 in his first five playoff games. But the real real question is whether or not Flacco is an elite QB. Actually, that isn't a real question at all. Joe Flacco was 30 seconds away from being an afterthought in 2012 but Denver let Jacoby Jones run free down the sideline for a 70 yard completion. The Denver Broncos are the reason Joe Flacco is still the Baltimore QB. Flacco caught lightning in a bottle for one playoff season and had a great defense. Since then he has been a very average at best QB. He was elite for 4 games, since then he has been mid teens at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, SF2 said: Actually, that isn't a real question at all. Joe Flacco was 30 seconds away from being an afterthought in 2012 but Denver let Jacoby Jones run free down the sideline for a 70 yard completion. The Denver Broncos are the reason Joe Flacco is still the Baltimore QB. Flacco caught lightning in a bottle and had a great defense. Since then he has been a very average at best QB. He was elite for 4 games, since then he has been mid teens at best. That was just a joke since Flacco was brought up by Fred. I wouldn't call him elite by any measure. Comparing him to Dalton is foolish because a) he isn't that good to begin with and b) the odds of catching lightning in a bottle like that are minuscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kochman Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2018/01/bills-fan-creates-amazing-wwe-mashup-video-playoffs/amp That Is epic, Thanks For The Laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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