SHOCKER: Bengals reportedly only see themselves spending $15 million in free agency

[oldschooler]

 

[oldschooler]

The Bengals have won 5 playoff games in their history, and 4 of those wins came in 1981 and 1988.

We all know when their 5th and last playoff win was. We're constantly reminded of it.

Yet, they think doing it the way they've always done it is the only way to go. So frustrating.

 

 

Swing for the motherfucking fences every fucking once in awhile! Give fans some optimism and hope!

COT TAM!!!

[|schotzee|]

7 minutes ago, oldschooler said:

The Bengals have won 5 playoff games in their history, and 4 of those wins came in 1981 and 1988.

We all know when their 5th and last playoff win was. We're constantly reminded of it.

Yet, they think doing it the way they've always done it is the only way to go. So frustrating.

 

 

Swing for the motherfucking fences every fucking once in awhile! Give fans some optimism and hope!

COT TAM!!!

Copy this!!!

[sparky151]

Swinging for the fences means Antonio Bryant's bad knee or TO's antics. At least in MB's opinion. This team's poor management is a huge competitive disadvantage. The Browns may improve themselves a lot this year with their cap space and picks. If they find a good QB, they may be ahead of us in 2 years. The Ravens and Stealers are better run teams who can probably handle their upcoming QB transitions.

 

Meanwhile that 15 mil includes re-signing current players so likely no outside players. I'm sure Hobson will be along to say it is really 18 mil and they spent 3 on Baker. And the money saved from Pacman will have to go to dry out the stadium after flooding or some such.

[Jamie_B]

Same as it ever was

[spicoli]

did any of you really expect something different? if so, why? you've been fans of this team for how long now??

[Inigo Montoya]

Not surprised and no one else should be either.  That number is even lower considering guys like Huber and Bodine who will almost certainly be re-signed.  I wouldn't rule out another Minter-type signing of an outside free agent, but that's about it.  As in years past, the only way for the Bengals to succeed is to hit on several draft classes in a row.  They will continue to handicap themselves by refusing to  actively add talent via free agency.

[|High School Harry|]

How is that a shocker?

[|schotzee|]

12 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

How is that a shocker?

Sarcasmic shocker

[Kochman]

Thank god for the 10 million jump in salary cap. Otherwise we would only have 5 million to spend

[|High School Harry|]

28 minutes ago, schotzee said:

Sarcasmic shocker

Ah, of course.  I didn't realize they were going to spend that much to retain Bodine.

[|SF2|]

3 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Swinging for the fences means Antonio Bryant's bad knee or TO's antics. At least in MB's opinion. This team's poor management is a huge competitive disadvantage. The Browns may improve themselves a lot this year with their cap space and picks. If they find a good QB, they may be ahead of us in 2 years. The Ravens and Stealers are better run teams who can probably handle their upcoming QB transitions.

 

Meanwhile that 15 mil includes re-signing current players so likely no outside players. I'm sure Hobson will be along to say it is really 18 mil and they spent 3 on Baker. And the money saved from Pacman will have to go to dry out the stadium after flooding or some such.

It all goes back to how poor our last 4 drafts have been and the fact the team simply doesn't know when to waive goodbye. 

[spicoli]

4 hours ago, SF2 said:

It all goes back to how poor our last 4 drafts have been and the fact the team simply doesn't know when to waive goodbye. 

those last 4 drafts wouldn't look nearly as bad if it weren't for Ogb/Fisher, IMO .... hopefully with Alexander gone, the bad juju goes with him..

[fluhartz]

4 hours ago, SF2 said:

It all goes back to how poor our last 4 drafts have been and the fact the team simply doesn't know when to waive goodbye. 

they waived goodbye to Whit   

[|SF2|]

3 hours ago, fluhartz said:

they waived goodbye to Whit   

Whit was an FA.  We keep marginal players around and let them play out there contracts too often.

[T-Dub]

[omgdrdoom]

The big problem with Hobspin and the Brown family apologists is the fake news math they do to defend not spending in free agency.

 

Every time you put a contract on the books another one is obviously coming off. It's crazy that more people don't immediately recognize this. When people start yelling about how it's going to cost us $10+ million to sign our draft picks it blows my mind. Sure, that would be true if all of those draft picks weren't going to take the roster spots of guys making league minimum or a bit above. Just for the quick math and keeping the accuracy close, let's say we sign 10 of our draft picks for $10 million total BUT then you have to figure 10 guys that would have counted around $500k each to our 2018 cap are going to be released to make room for the new guys. $10 million minus $5 million obviously isn't the $10 million that Hobspin claims it will take us to sign our picks. Only around $5 million extra will count toward our cap once you factor in the reality of other players being cut at the bottom of the roster.

 

This is true for free agent signings as well. Let's say we wanted to bring in Richard Sherman before the 49ers signed him. His 2018 cap number is $6.175, but does that mean he would have cost us exactly $6.175? Nope because we could have cut a guy like Josh Shaw ($1.907 cap savings) to help afford the Sherman contract. Even at absolute worst, you would cut a bottom of the roster guy making league minimum which covers $480k of the free agents salary right there. Not saying I wanted Richard Sherman, just using him as an example. The same process can be used for any position. We have guys like Robenson Therezie (safety) and Carl Bradford (ILB) on our roster making $630k each that could go toward signing a player or two that might actually see the field. LaFell puts $4 million toward an upgrade if you want to find one. MJ saves around $5 million. Cutting a Josh Shaw or TJ Johnson gives you over $1.5 million each to find real NFL players with.

 

The Bengals are one of the least creative teams in the NFL when it comes to their salary cap. It's nothing new but I hope people stop spreading bullshit like the "fact" that it's going to cost us $10+ million to sign draft picks or that a Geno extension is going to cost us $15 million. Money HAS to come off the books to sign players and a big chunk of someone like Geno's salary ($9.55 million in 2018) is already on the Bengals' books to begin with before you start to factor in the extension.

[|SF2|]

So just for shits and grins, would you have dumped Dre and his salary in order to free up cap space to sign Richard Sherman?  Granted the achilles surgery would make me leary but dude is light years better than Dre.   Based on what he signed for in San Fran, it would have actually saved us money I think.  He is only a year and a half older than Dre.

[Jpoore]

Idk why u thought different??? We got 40-50 mill depending on how u look at it. Geno and Dunlap alone cost 12-13 million each minumum. 26+15 is what? 41. Dosent even take into account rollover, Huber and Smith resigning, bodine resigning(unfortunately), etc.

[omgdrdoom]

39 minutes ago, SF2 said:

So just for shits and grins, would you have dumped Dre and his salary in order to free up cap space to sign Richard Sherman?  Granted the achilles surgery would make me leary but dude is light years better than Dre.   Based on what he signed for in San Fran, it would have actually saved us money I think.  He is only a year and a half older than Dre.

No if anything you cut Dennard in that case.

 

Dre - $9,568,750 cap hit this year with $5.6m dead money if you cut him

Darqueze - $8,526,000 cap hit this year that only becomes fully guaranteed if he's on our day 1 roster. $0 dead money if he's cut today.

 

Dennard had a surprisingly good year last year and Dre didn't play like he did in 2016 but I don't think you let either of them go for Richard Sherman at this point, but Dennard would be the one you cut IF you really wanted Sherman here. Sherman is a zone coverage specialist and this is the year we'll see if he was a product of a system or not. A lot of things make me not want to give him a big contract (that injury is scary), but I'm not as big a Richard Sherman fan as some people are in general, I think the dude is a bit overrated. I'm not saying he isn't good, he's an excellent CB overall, but watch him in games where he's asked to play man and shadow a certain WR instead of playing in his zone. I don't think he'd be as good here as he was in Seattle for all of those years. Just my thoughts though, I could be biased because I've always felt he was an overrated system CB.

 

TLDR; WJIII, Dre, Dennard should be our CBs for the next 1-3 years but Dennard would be the odd man out due to contract situation alone IF we wanted to pick up a guy like Sherman

[omgdrdoom]

5 minutes ago, Jpoore said:

Idk why u thought different??? We got 40-50 mill depending on how u look at it. Geno and Dunlap alone cost 12-13 million each minumum. 26+15 is what? 41. Dosent even take into account rollover, Huber and Smith resigning, bodine resigning(unfortunately), etc.

This is why you don't do drugs kids. This right here. 2 posts below my explanation of why you have to be dumb or high to think Geno and Dunlap will count that much money against our fucking cap.

 

Good lord.

[|SF2|]

14 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said:

This is why you don't do drugs kids. This right here. 2 posts below my explanation of why you have to be dumb or high to think Geno and Dunlap will count that much money against our fucking cap.

 

Good lord.

I think his point is both players signed will cost around $26 mil a year.  You can debate that figure for sure.  Add in the supposed $15 mil in reported cap space and that equals $41 mil.  Since we rarely ever rework contracts we don't have much free money to spend.

[omgdrdoom]

6 minutes ago, SF2 said:

I think his point is both players signed will cost around $26 mil a year.  You can debate that figure for sure.  Add in the supposed $15 mil in reported cap space and that equals $41 mil.  Since we rarely ever rework contracts we don't have much free money to spend.

In what he said he was adding that amount per player to our cap (he used $13 per in the example). He used the figure $26M which would NOT be the added number to our cap. It's not even remotely close. Geno is almost $10M on our books already for 2018, how much do you honestly believe Mike Brown is going to pay him over that amount? If you say $13M more then you're crazy.

[|SF2|]

13 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said:

In what he said he was adding that amount per player to our cap (he used $13 per in the example). He used the figure $26M which would NOT be the added number to our cap. It's not even remotely close. Geno is almost $10M on our books already for 2018, how much do you honestly believe Mike Brown is going to pay him over that amount? If you say $13M more then you're crazy.

He said both Dulap and Geno together and he wasnt adding it to the current cap he said that was how much the new contracts would cost toward the overall cap. I guess if we don't resign either it would result in $17 mil in new cap space.

[omgdrdoom]

 

5 minutes ago, SF2 said:

He said both Dulap and Geno together and he wasnt adding it to the current cap he said that was how much the new contracts would cost toward the overall cap. I guess if we don't resign either it would result in $16 mil in new cap space.

Nah you're 100% reading his statement incorrectly.

43 minutes ago, Jpoore said:

Idk why u thought different??? We got 40-50 mill depending on how u look at it. Geno and Dunlap alone cost 12-13 million each minumum. 26+15 is what? 41. Dosent even take into account rollover, Huber and Smith resigning, bodine resigning(unfortunately), etc.

I put important parts in bold.

 

1. He said each, so he didn't say them together.

2. He used the number of $26m (aka $13m x 2) to add to the $15m we're going to spend to get to the cap number. That means he was adding $13m per player to the cap even though they're already on the books for $17m total. That would make Geno and Dunlap total $43m toward our 2018 cap. That's not happening my man.

 

If he didn't mean they would get $13m MORE he wouldn't have added it into the cap figure. That part alone shows what he meant and why he is a person that gets fooled by Hobson-math.