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T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 Those damned millenials and their avocado toast! I guess they ruined sports journalism too, eh? Fuckin' hacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 It's true. But what it amounts to is, our sport is too boring for people who have entertainment on demand in their pockets. Millennial's don't hate the NFL. They love the NFL. They will play fantasy football, go to bars to watch it with there friends and DFS is huge. But they just don't want to deal with drunk people at the games who take sports too seriously. I can't blame them at all. The sport is going to have to adapt somehow or it's going to lose money. It makes so much money it will never go away. The in person event has to change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: It's true. But what it amounts to is, our sport is too boring for people who have entertainment on demand in their pockets. Millennial's don't hate the NFL. They love the NFL. They will play fantasy football, go to bars to watch it with there friends and DFS is huge. But they just don't want to deal with drunk people at the games who take sports too seriously. I can't blame them at all. The sport is going to have to adapt somehow or it's going to lose money. It makes so much money it will never go away. The in person event has to change though. I'm not a millennial, but the last few NFL games I have attended were not positive experiences. While I enjoy a tailgate and some drinks as much as anyone, the number of angry drunks is just too high. I wouldn't even think of taking a young child to an NFL game. The answer to all of this is winning. Teams that have a winning tradition seem to have less of these problems. Positive atmosphere, I suppose? Also, every generation worries more about money in their twenties and thirties. When millennials get to their prime earning years they won't be as worried about how they spend their $20. Some will, but many will buy tickets because they can. Not to mention, but TV money dwarfs money made in the stadiums these days. If people stop watching the NFL on TV then they have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 hours ago, UncleEarl said: Not to mention, but TV money dwarfs money made in the stadiums these days. If people stop watching the NFL on TV then they have a problem. You are correct. At least thru 2016 revenue from NFL ticket sales has declined and is only around 16.5% of the total revenue stream. My guess sometime in the future all NFL games will not be in stadiums but on a TV sound stage using robots who won't being using PED's, getting arrested for domestic violence, or kneeling during the national anthem. Won't it be just a glorious, fucking time for all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 Well, the article goes on to say that they'd rather go to a soccer game than baseball. So the comments as to "They have better entertainment... etc..." That's way off base. Baseball and Football are EXPENSIVE. In just the last 10 years, ticket prices have increased from ~$60 a ticket to ~$90 for football. As mentioned in the article, why not go watch the FC for $20? I don't know about you, but when I go to a game, between the concessions, parking, ticket prices... I feel like I'm being taken advantage of and I'm generally not having fun as much a feeling like a sardine in a can. Add into that that 61% of younger fans consider the NFL to be "sleazy" in a recent poll... I'm no millennial, but I know that over the last 15 years I have gone from having Sunday ticket to only watching my Bengals games, and generally I don't even watch them in "real time" anymore. Too much cheering for wife beaters, too much cheering for head trauma. Also, in the age of YouTube, niche sports are much easier to follow. I disc golf, and now we're getting coverage of the pro tourneys on YouTube. I can watch Snooker tourneys from Jolly Old England. I find this attitude laughable every time it comes up. Those Millennials who make half as much as their parents did while drowning in student debt aren't spending enough money on... Casual dining restaurants Golf Napkins Bar soap Home Depot The Housing Market The Hang-Out Sitcom Canadian tourism Banks Bosses Democracy The EU And those slimy m*****-f****ers even killed the McWrap! https://www.buzzfeed.com/ahmedaliakbar/millennial-murder-spree?utm_term=.foOlnXBnd#.hfNydMQdV Wise up you 20-30's! Your parents spent money on this bullshit, and now it's your responsibility to keep them rolling in money Scrooge McDuck style in perpetuity. Just like my generation didn't shy away from keeping Boxing and Horse Racing the nation's two biggest sports, you have an obligation to the past. Because if you keep this up, soon no one will want to watch open wheel auto races anymore and you'll be sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: Well, the article goes on to say that they'd rather go to a soccer game than baseball. So the comments as to "They have better entertainment... etc..." That's way off base. Baseball and Football are EXPENSIVE. In just the last 10 years, ticket prices have increased from ~$60 a ticket to ~$90 for football. As mentioned in the article, why not go watch the FC for $20? I don't know about you, but when I go to a game, between the concessions, parking, ticket prices... I feel like I'm being taken advantage of and I'm generally not having fun as much a feeling like a sardine in a can. Add into that that 61% of younger fans consider the NFL to be "sleazy" in a recent poll... I'm no millennial, but I know that over the last 15 years I have gone from having Sunday ticket to only watching my Bengals games, and generally I don't even watch them in "real time" anymore. Too much cheering for wife beaters, too much cheering for head trauma. Also, in the age of YouTube, niche sports are much easier to follow. I disc golf, and now we're getting coverage of the pro tourneys on YouTube. I can watch Snooker tourneys from Jolly Old England. I find this attitude laughable every time it comes up. Those Millennials who make half as much as their parents did while drowning in student debt aren't spending enough money on... Casual dining restaurants Golf Napkins Bar soap Home Depot The Housing Market The Hang-Out Sitcom Canadian tourism Banks Bosses Democracy The EU And those slimy m*****-f****ers even killed the McWrap! https://www.buzzfeed.com/ahmedaliakbar/millennial-murder-spree?utm_term=.foOlnXBnd#.hfNydMQdV Wise up you 20-30's! Your parents spent money on this bullshit, and now it's your responsibility to keep them rolling in money Scrooge McDuck style in perpetuity. Just like my generation didn't shy away from keeping Boxing and Horse Racing the nation's two biggest sports, you have an obligation to the past. Because if you keep this up, soon no one will want to watch open wheel auto races anymore and you'll be sorry! Pretty much all of this.. Down to the disc golf. Bolded the more relevant bits, and would add the jingoistic phony patriotism & bullshit hypocritical moralizing on all topics from the NFL. Embracing the headhunting by Ryan Shazier as some kind of heartwarming afterschool special.. Charging an "integrity fee" for states licensing sports gambling?! Shit reads like an Onion article. How can anyone not find it sleazy? For as much as I bitch about ol' Musty, at least he has some sense of decency (demonstrative as it may be) because the rest of the NFL ownership is basically hot dumpster juice. If his greatest fault is in thinking that being an exceptional football mind is a hereditary condition, that's not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 It isn't a millennial problem it is a LOSING problem. My son and his friends love sports. They play NBA, Madden and FIFA all the time on the X-Box. The Reds haven't won a post season series in 23 years. They have made the playoffs only 3 times in 20 years losing 2 series and the 1 game wild card thing. Other than Joey Votto, the team regularly trades their marque players for prospects and dumps salary whenever expedient. Its hard to follow a team that has such massive turnover. The Bengals havent won a playoff game in 28 years and don't forget the 14 year absence from the playoffs from the 90s thru 2004. Add in the fact that it is now very easy to follow a different team due to the internet, gaming and phone and this is the result. My son is Houston Rockets fan. I have been to Houston twice in my life, he has never been there. It used to be only the Reds, Bengals and Browns were heavily followed via the newspaper, TV and local radio in Southwest Ohio. Now you can follow and watch any team in the world and be their actual real time team on the X-Box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: . Charging an "integrity fee" for states licensing sports gambling?! Shit reads like an Onion article. How can anyone not find it sleazy? I heard that this morning and about spit out my Bourbon. A fucking "integrity fee"? The owners think casino and sports book operators are going to pay that? Shit some of these states like Conn and New York impose huge state taxes on casino earnings unlike Nevada and Jersey. The money grab these states are about to engage in will be epic. Step one, legalize weed and tax the shit out of it. Step two, legalize sports betting and tax the shit out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 Not worth losing bourbon... period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, T-Dub said: For as much as I bitch about ol' Musty, at least he has some sense of decency If Jerry Jones doesn't like him, that says something good about ol' Mikey. Jerry Jones once tried to get an asshole transplant, but the asshole rejected him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, LostInDaJungle said: If Jerry Jones doesn't like him, that says something good about ol' Mikey. Jerry Jones once tried to get an asshole transplant, but the asshole rejected him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, USN Bengal said: Not worth losing bourbon... period. Depends on the bourbon, that was a good laugh. INTEGRITY FEE! Can they issue coupons for that? Is there a group rate for vans? A discount for sporting a track suit as leisure wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: INTEGRITY FEE! And remember... They're expecting STATES to pay for this. Why would states simply want to give money away to the leagues? They would likely be lowering their own tax rates in order to make this work. Enriching leagues at the cost of money that could go to state coffers is a difficult decision to defend. Yeah... It takes about 2 minutes talking about the NFL before I'm ready to go watch anything else. Maybe fans like me aren't vocal because we're touched off by a player kneeling... We're not boycotting. We just stop caring. Because when this is the story I see when I switch to another tab... https://deadspin.com/the-hedge-fund-orc-buying-the-panthers-used-to-berate-e-1826041028 FML. Do I really want to help these despicable billionaires play with their toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: INTEGRITY FEE! And remember... They're expecting STATES to pay for this. Why would states simply want to give money away to the leagues? They would likely be lowering their own tax rates in order to make this work. Enriching leagues at the cost of money that could go to state coffers is a difficult decision to defend. Yeah... It takes about 2 minutes talking about the NFL before I'm ready to go watch anything else. Maybe fans like me aren't vocal because we're touched off by a player kneeling... We're not boycotting. We just stop caring. Because when this is the story I see when I switch to another tab... https://deadspin.com/the-hedge-fund-orc-buying-the-panthers-used-to-berate-e-1826041028 FML. Do I really want to help these despicable billionaires play with their toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, SF2 said: The owners think casino and sports book operators are going to pay that? I'd like to point out again that in a lot of cases they are one & the same. One example: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/sports/football/09Stealers.html But there are others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: I'd like to point out again that in a lot of cases they are one & the same. One example: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/sports/football/09Stealers.html But there are others. Yeah but its the Rooneys. They can do what they want. That said I stand by my original premise about the Bengals and Reds: Start winning meaningful post season games and the Millennials will come. Certainly more so with the Bengals. Never been much of a baseball fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, SF2 said: Yeah but its the Rooneys. They can do what they want. That said I stand by my original premise about the Bengals and Reds: Start winning meaningful post season games and the Millennials will come. Certainly more so with the Bengals. Never been much of a baseball fan. I'm not so sure. Lots and lots of people, young and old, don't really care if the Bengals win because they think the NFL is shit. Then there are people like me who do care if the Bengals win, but find myself caring less as the NFL get shittier. So I agree it's not a generation gap thing, & I'm sure it wouldn't hurt for the teams to not continually blow it, but I don't think that the W-L column is so much the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: I'm not so sure. Lots and lots of people, young and old, don't really care if the Bengals win because they think the NFL is shit. Then there are people like me who do care if the Bengals win, but find myself caring less as the NFL get shittier. So I agree it's not a generation gap thing, & I'm sure it wouldn't hurt for the teams to not continually blow it, but I don't think that the W-L column is so much the issue. Heard that. The political stuff, the insanity when it comes to illegal hits, and Deion Sanders on the NFL draft trying to be a cool kid makes me want to watch women’s basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Tigris said: Heard that. The political stuff, the insanity when it comes to illegal hits, and Deion Sanders on the NFL draft trying to be a cool kid makes me want to watch women’s basketball. I would rather drink battery acid then watch women's basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted May 15, 2018 Report Share Posted May 15, 2018 10 hours ago, westside bengal said: You are correct. At least thru 2016 revenue from NFL ticket sales has declined and is only around 16.5% of the total revenue stream. My guess sometime in the future all NFL games will not be in stadiums but on a TV sound stage using robots who won't being using PED's, getting arrested for domestic violence, or kneeling during the national anthem. Won't it be just a glorious, fucking time for all? They could introduce some WWE-type stuff in there too, like having human "Robot Repair Teams" that come onto the field at various times to sneakily plant bombs on opponents robots, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 So, would the cheerleaders be robots too? If so, just how realistic would they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 hours ago, esjbh2 said: So, would the cheerleaders be robots too? If so, just how realistic would they be? I was going to say if u get a boner watching robots then u have a problem. Then I went back and looked at some pics of our previous cheerleaders......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 I would rather watch paint dry than soccer, but I can understand why a young person would prefer a FC game. It's relatively inexpensive, a bunch of people like him or her will be there, and they have a reasonable expectation that the team will win. Finally, there is one more factor that brings people to sports that are less popular than baseball, football and basketball.....the players are kind of like us! It's easier to identify with someone who is doing what they love with little hope of getting stinking rich doing it. They aren't multi-millionaire assholes that think they can do whatever they damn well please. I know that's a gross generalization and there are very good people that play in the NFL, MLB and NBA. Still, the number d-bags tends to increase the more money they make, or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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