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8 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Whether you thought he was any good is irrelevant. If the guy sucks, you don't wait until the second preseason game to cut him when you have nothing to spend the savings on. You don't wait until Boxing Day to "save money" so you can get your kids more Christmas presents.

According to the Bengals themselves, this was a money saving move.

Sure you do.  If he isnt getting it done, you have a viable cheaper replacement you cut him.  He had two pre season games to stand out against the far cheaper young guys and didn't.  Also, the may need the money to sign one of our studs before season starts. 

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8 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Whether you thought he was any good is irrelevant. If the guy sucks, you don't wait until the second preseason game to cut him when you have nothing to spend the savings on. You don't wait until Boxing Day to "save money" so you can get your kids more Christmas presents.

According to the Bengals themselves, this was a money saving move.

Sure you do.  If he isnt getting it done, you have a viable cheaper replacement you cut him.  He had two pre season games to stand out against the far cheaper young guys and didn't.  Also, the may need the money to sign one of our studs before season starts. 

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Frankly I'm not a fan of this move unless they decide to bring Eric Reid back in.

 

I know Illoka is not a pro-bowler but he is the best S (since we know nothing about this rookie) on the team. Williams imo was much better as a 3rd option and hasn't been very good as a starter. Playing him and the rookie, with no 3rd option, makes me queasy.

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Frankly I'm not a fan of this move unless they decide to bring Eric Reid back in.

 

I know Illoka is not a pro-bowler but he is the best S (since we know nothing about this rookie) on the team. Williams imo was much better as a 3rd option and hasn't been very good as a starter. Playing him and the rookie, with no 3rd option, makes me queasy.

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47 minutes ago, SF2 said:

Sure you do.  If he isnt getting it done, you have a viable cheaper replacement you cut him.  He had two pre season games to stand out against the far cheaper young guys and didn't.  Also, the may need the money to sign one of our studs before season starts. 

But, what about keeping viable depth on the roster? Isn’t an expensive, decent Iloka better than the alternative? Which appears to be nobody.

 

UNLESS some shit went down behind closed doors. Perhaps the coaching staff sat him down and told him they weren’t pleased and he was likely to be second string this season and he threw a bitch fit, and promised to play like shit. In a case like that, it certainly makes all the sense in the world to cut him.

 

I wouldn’t expect he had much trade value, but I’m surprised he had none at all.

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47 minutes ago, SF2 said:

Sure you do.  If he isnt getting it done, you have a viable cheaper replacement you cut him.  He had two pre season games to stand out against the far cheaper young guys and didn't.  Also, the may need the money to sign one of our studs before season starts. 

But, what about keeping viable depth on the roster? Isn’t an expensive, decent Iloka better than the alternative? Which appears to be nobody.

 

UNLESS some shit went down behind closed doors. Perhaps the coaching staff sat him down and told him they weren’t pleased and he was likely to be second string this season and he threw a bitch fit, and promised to play like shit. In a case like that, it certainly makes all the sense in the world to cut him.

 

I wouldn’t expect he had much trade value, but I’m surprised he had none at all.

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seems to be a low risk move with big financial upside. This is the kind of move they seldom make and get criticized for not doing it more often. The whole next man up mentality. That blew up specatularly with the OL, so yeah, there's risk. But someone mentioned earlier FS is less valued in the league. I also like the concern this should instill in other veterans who should be worried vice complacent. And just maybe the Bengals win now and let the youngsters play is for real.

 

31 teams out there and only an injury or two and Iloka gets an offer. The Colts seem to have a thing for former Bengals, Pats too.

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9 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said:

I also like the concern this should instill in other veterans who should be worried

 

Yeah I'm hoping to see a little more of that happening as they cut down to the 53.  I'd also like to see the money saved get spent somewhere else instead of more Hobspin about how they really aren't 50 bajillion dollars under the cap when you factor in the anti-gravity turf upgrades in 2047.

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22 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said:

 I also like the concern this should instill in other veterans who should be worried

I think Michael Johnson could be on the way out especially the way Sam Hubbard has looked.

I think its a foregone conclusion that Hewitt is history.

Ditto Cody Core and I don't think Randy Bullock is as secure as others seem to think.

Of course, the final 53 is far from settled waiting for other team's cuts.

I think Minnesota has two promising kickers and can only keep one.

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2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Yeah I'm hoping to see a little more of that happening as they cut down to the 53.  I'd also like to see the money saved get spent somewhere else instead of more Hobspin about how they really aren't 50 bajillion dollars under the cap when you factor in the anti-gravity turf upgrades in 2047.

Hey someone might get injured and we'll NEED that 20 Million to sign a guy who is sitting on his couch in October! Plus, Katie is going to need that to pay off the pool boy she's been Weinsteining.

Whatevs... I keep hearing all of these Marvin interviews about how it's a "win now" situation.

Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $20,903,688

PLEASE tell me more about how we had NO money to spend in FA this year. Remember those heady days in March....

 

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The Cincinnati Bengals once again don’t figure to be big spenders in free agency this year.

 

Despite major needs along the offensive line and having north of $30 million in cap space, not to mention cash rolled over, the Bengals don’t sound like a team ready to spend on a high-quality starter.

 

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer’s Paul Dehner Jr., the Bengals see themselves spending only $15 million, if that:

 

“After taking into consideration all the extras that go into the salary cap from a Bengals perspective and telling Adam Jones they are declining his option the team sees about $15M in 2018 cap hits to work with on the open market. They have about another $10.6M in carryover cash that is there if they need it, but that’s typically reserved for extensions of their own players in August and September.”

 

 

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1 minute ago, High School Harry said:

I think Michael Johnson could be on the way out especially the way Sam Hubbard has looked.

I think its a foregone conclusion that Hewitt is history.

Ditto Cody Core and I don't think Randy Bullock is as secure as others seem to think.

Of course, the final 53 is far from settled waiting for other team's cuts.

I think Minnesota has two promising kickers and can only keep one.

not to change subjects, but the kicker situations is interesting. I really like the soccer guy.

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13 minutes ago, ArmyBengal said:

not to change subjects, but the kicker situations is interesting. I really like the soccer guy.

 

I don't think they've been using him enough to believe he has a chance at the roster.  That makes it hard for me to believe the Iloka move was about going with the younger player with more upside and not about saving a few million bucks.  

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15 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

I don't think they've been using him enough to believe he has a chance at the roster.  That makes it hard for me to believe the Iloka move was about going with the younger player with more upside and not about saving a few million bucks.  

No doubt it was about money first and foremost since Mikey is going to have to cut a big check or two in the coming weeks.  Iloka's agent pretty much confirmed as much and even Hobknob wasn't trying too hard to spin it otherwise.  That said, it's not like they cut Ed Reed in his prime.  Iloka was OK last year, nothing more.  He's never been a ball hawk or cover specialist.  The rule changes might also be a factor because it is going to be tougher for physical safeties to play going forward.  My biggest concern now is depth and that's why I would have kept him.  Williams hasn't exactly been durable and all the other guys have little to no experience.  

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9 minutes ago, westside bengal said:

The Brown Family Trust needs to save more money.  The Bengals are 2-0 in the pre-season and Mike Brown is thinking extension for Marvin Lewis.

Really makes you wonder how much better the team would be if they had picked up a Nate Soldier or another solid tackle instead of hoping Bobby Hart figures it out or Ogubuehi gets a gonad transplant.

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11 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Really makes you wonder how much better the team would be if they had picked up a Nate Soldier or another solid tackle instead of hoping Bobby Hart figures it out or Ogubuehi gets a gonad transplant.

You are so right. If the Bengals cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat quickly here and bring in a solid offensive tackle, our season will be less than 8-8. We need to trade talent to get help immediately. Time is running out!

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22 minutes ago, westside bengal said:

The Brown Family Trust needs to save more money.  The Bengals are 2-0 in the pre-season and Mike Brown is thinking extension for Marvin Lewis.

My inside sources close to the source tell me that Mikey needs a new set or retreads for the Lumina

and has had Troy Blackburn scouring the junk yards along Eastern Avenue for months.

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I was a big fan of the Bengals drafting Iloka in the 5th Round in 2012. I considered him one of the best safety prospects in that draft and thought he was a steal. In my opinion his best two years were when he was playing SS beside Reggie Nelson. Since Nelson's departure and his subsequent move to FS he's been "meh" at best. $5 million plus for "meh". No thanks. See you, George. The Bengals have been roasted over the years for keeping veterans and playing them out of loyalty. They aren't just standing pat in this case and I'm OK with it. The people playing the "Browns are cheap" card here...give me a break.

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2 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

My inside sources close to the source tell me that Mikey needs a new set or retreads for the Lumina

and has had Troy Blackburn scouring the junk yards along Eastern Avenue for months.

 

Is that where they found Bobby Hart?

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36 minutes ago, BengalFanInTO said:

I was a big fan of the Bengals drafting Iloka in the 5th Round in 2012. I considered him one of the best safety prospects in that draft and thought he was a steal. In my opinion his best two years were when he was playing SS beside Reggie Nelson. Since Nelson's departure and his subsequent move to FS he's been "meh" at best. $5 million plus for "meh". No thanks. See you, George. The Bengals have been roasted over the years for keeping veterans and playing them out of loyalty. They aren't just standing pat in this case and I'm OK with it. The people playing the "Browns are cheap" card here...give me a break.

Exactly.   The Cardinals picked up Tre Boston for $1.5mil.  Boston is a better safety than Iloka at a way lower cost.  There are quite a few safeties out there we can pick up far less.  I bet we could get Eric Reid for less than Iloka's salary at this point. 

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28 minutes ago, BengalFanInTO said:

I was a big fan of the Bengals drafting Iloka in the 5th Round in 2012. I considered him one of the best safety prospects in that draft and thought he was a steal. In my opinion his best two years were when he was playing SS beside Reggie Nelson. Since Nelson's departure and his subsequent move to FS he's been "meh" at best. $5 million plus for "meh". No thanks. See you, George. The Bengals have been roasted over the years for keeping veterans and playing them out of loyalty. They aren't just standing pat in this case and I'm OK with it. The people playing the "Browns are cheap" card here...give me a break.

I can agree with that to some extent... The safety market isn't paying $5 Mil for better guys that Illoka right now. I get that.

What I don't get is waiting until there's no use for the money to save money. Apparently, even with the weak safety market, they couldn't find a guy better to replace him in March. So we drafted Bates... Great, but we're still an injury away from starting Fej. Is the dead cap situation different if we release the guy in February? We were already $15Mil under the cap. Sure, it's expensive depth, but where else are you spending the money? And it has to be spent somewhere.

And frankly, do you really trust this team? They had Ced and Fischer in the building for a year and couldn't figure out that neither of them was 10% of the player Whitworth was. They jettisoned Reggie Nelson because Shawn Williams was "ready"... And so on.

The Brown family keeps this team 10-20M under the cap every year, and that's including their cute lil' front loaded extensions. Andy and AJ aren't getting any younger. We currently are at #7 for available cap space while being #28 in dead money. I mean, when do you push all of your chips in and try to win something? How can you be disappointed with Illoka when the team is so fond of mediocrity? If Williams or Bates suffers a week 15 injury with us looking at a wild card, would you rather have Illoka waiting in the wings or Clayton Speculum?

2015: 10M #13 in available cap space
2016: 10M #19 in available cap space
2017: 15M #11 in available cap space

2018: 20M #7 in available cap space

For a team that's trying to get over the hump, we've only dipped into the bottom half of league cap space once. And I'm well past it just being cheap, this is actively stupid. They're so busy saving money for their trophy case they forgot to actually win anything. They've convinced themselves that they're "smart cap managers" and they are totally winning on those Excel spreadsheets. As Katie has reminded us, you just don't know how hard it is to run an NFL team. 

Maybe in addition to the Lombardi, we should award the "Blackburn" once a decade for the team that has saved the most cap room and had the least dead money. Then we could finally win something.

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