T-Dub Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, High School Harry said: WHO was responsible for picking this guy? Marvin? Tobin? The ketchup guy? Hue? As the Assistant HC as well as OL coach I'd think he had to be the one & that's why he's got more time to work on his writing these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, High School Harry said: WHO was responsible for picking this guy? Marvin? Tobin? The ketchup guy? Hue? Honestly... Someone made the genius decision to let Whitworth walk after they had this guy in the building for a year... They KNEW what they had! No one gets to wash their hands of this stink. I blame the mother-fucker who cooks eggs at training camp on up for that colossal blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Maybe Ogbuehi is like, great at practice or something. I mean, I know our coaches are incompetent in many areas, but they'd been drafting pretty well leading up to that draft,then taking offensive tackles back to back in that draft 1-2. Surely they saw something, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bunghole said: Surely they saw something, right? http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/cedric-ogbuehi?id=2552355 I mean, you can read the draft profile. He's a big long guy who's quick on his feet, but he lacks the strength and technique to go up against NFL DE's. Has he done anything to develop that? No heart, no balls. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Fisher was a more polished tackle who was more limited physically. It's really hard to say what his career could have been if it hadn't been for the illness and injuries. He's basically spent every offseason trying to get back where he was instead of trying to improve upon it. The one year he started at RT he was pretty OK for a guy getting his first games under his belt. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/28/18115460/bengals-weekly-lineman-examining-the-drop-off-from-cordy-glenn-at-left-tackle I actually though Fisher did pretty well in his limited time at LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Fisher was beginning to play alright. When he went out and CedWreck went in the difference was staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Ogbuehi is easily the bigger bust. He was a first round pick, Fisher was a 2nd. Ogbuehi is the guy who encouraged us to let Whitworth walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Ogbuehi is easily the bigger bust. He was a first round pick, Fisher was a 2nd. Ogbuehi is the guy who encouraged us to let Whitworth walk. BS! He was a free agent, so they didn't have much choice. He was going to leave any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 I still think it was Whit only being offered another one year deal like he had something to prove. I am sure the Bengals were thinking to move Whit inside as a guard sometime soon. And they couldn't do a long term contract and pay left tackle salary to a left guard. That would go against everything the Bengals Family Trust stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, westside bengal said: I still think it was Whit only being offered another one year deal like he had something to prove. I am sure the Bengals were thinking to move Whit inside as a guard sometime soon. And they couldn't do a long term contract and pay left tackle salary to a left guard. That would go against everything the Bengals Family Trust stands for. You mean like winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, SF2 said: You mean like winning? Pretty much..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Hooky said: BS! He was a free agent, so they didn't have much choice. He was going to leave any way. Nope. Whit wanted to stay. Was vocal about it. That's why Katie thought she could lowball him... Which insulted the hell out of him. But hey, we had that money to extend Burfict for $11M a year and that was totally worth it, right? We were even able to front load that thing with like $10M in cash! We all know Linebacker is just as important a position as Left Tackle. And really, who would you rather have right now, Burfict or Whitworth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: Nope. Whit wanted to stay. Was vocal about it. That's why Katie thought she could lowball him... Which insulted the hell out of him. But hey, we had that money to extend Burfict for $11M a year and that was totally worth it, right? We were even able to front load that thing with like $10M in cash! We all know Linebacker is just as important a position as Left Tackle. And really, who would you rather have right now, Burfict or Whitworth? Cant we just all pretend everything is good and have a Merry Christmas? I would love to have the old Burfict back, not the guy who showed up out of shape and doesn't seem to care anymore. Yeah, I know, the reason he can't make plays anymore is he is afraid he will get fined. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, SF2 said: Cant we just all pretend everything is good and have a Merry Christmas? No. Mike Brown stole Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, LostInDaJungle said: Nope. Whit wanted to stay. Was vocal about it. That's why Katie thought she could lowball him... Which insulted the hell out of him. But hey, we had that money to extend Burfict for $11M a year and that was totally worth it, right? We were even able to front load that thing with like $10M in cash! We all know Linebacker is just as important a position as Left Tackle. And really, who would you rather have right now, Burfict or Whitworth? He was driving his price up by saying he wanted to stay here and it worked. I wosh Whitworth was still here so people would quit crying about it. He left. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, Hooky said: He was driving his price up by saying he wanted to stay here Is this just your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Hooky said: He was driving his price up by saying he wanted to stay here and it worked. I wosh Whitworth was still here so people would quit crying about it. He left. Move on. He didn’t need to drive his price up, he was and still is an all pro left tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Yeah, letting Whitworth walk was a colossal blunder. Team leader, great and underrated player. Shoulda paid the guy. Ah well. C'est la vie I guess. My favorite player too. What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, Bunghole said: Yeah, letting Whitworth walk was a colossal blunder. Team leader, great and underrated player. Shoulda paid the guy. Ah well. C'est la vie I guess. My favorite player too. What a shame. It's not even entirely that for me (though, yes) but that they let him walk for Ogbuehi. Then watched him flail for another year & their answer was a guy who hasn't been healthy since 2015, with Ogbuehi as backup. Glenn predictably goes down again, they start Ced for all of one game and it's straight to a street FA. Why the fuck is Ogbuehi on this roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 17 hours ago, T-Dub said: It's not even entirely that for me (though, yes) but that they let him walk for Ogbuehi. Then watched him flail for another year & their answer was a guy who hasn't been healthy since 2015, with Ogbuehi as backup. Glenn predictably goes down again, they start Ced for all of one game and it's straight to a street FA. Why the fuck is Ogbuehi on this roster? 1 Probably because Mike Brown is too cheap to cut a 1st round player he's paid and is paying big money to. Dude doesn't even belong in the NFL at this point he's so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Bunghole said: Probably because Mike Brown is too cheap to cut a 1st round player he's paid and is paying big money to. Dude doesn't even belong in the NFL at this point he's so bad. That's what I don't understand, though. The guaranteed money is gone, it's just that; guaranteed. It was spent as soon as he signed the contract, it's not coming back. The game checks, whatever roster or other bonuses on the other hand, Ced only sees those if he's suited up. Droopy is actually paying him more money by not cutting him. Maybe I've got that wrong somewhere, but afaik it's just throwing good money after bad. What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: That's what I don't understand, though. The guaranteed money is gone, it's just that; guaranteed. It was spent as soon as he signed the contract, it's not coming back. The game checks, whatever roster or other bonuses on the other hand, Ced only sees those if he's suited up. Droopy is actually paying him more money by not cutting him. Maybe I've got that wrong somewhere, but afaik it's just throwing good money after bad. What's the point? I'm still going with waiving him at the end of the season will get a comp draft pick for a former first rounder. Probably get something for Fisher, too. And Dennard if he walks. Other owners build teams. Mike collects comp draft picks to get more underachieving picks like Malick Jefferson. Might be different if he used some of those picks to package and trade UP and get a difference maker rather than another Ogbuhei or John Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 57 minutes ago, High School Harry said: I'm still going with waiving him at the end of the season will get a comp draft pick for a former first rounder. Probably get something for Fisher, too. And Dennard if he walks. Oh shit, right, forgot about the coveted comp picks. However the way I understand it those pick are mostly based on player production & whether they are signed elsewhere? Simply being a former 1st round pick doesn't count for much in their super secret (read: bullshit) formula, beyond the salary that comes with it. As far as production or postseason awards.. LOL. I suppose a 5th round or higher pick is better than nothing but Dennard is the only one of those 3 I could see landing on another team. I guess Fisher has played a little bit but Ced.. Is some 2nd-day draft pick worth the hidden costs of keeping a bum on your roster? Like you said, they'd rather win discount draft picks than anything that matters outside their accounting office. It's fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 The round for comp picks is determined by the player’s NEW contract, stats, and awards...so I don’t see OgieBogie resulting in any comp pick of much worth...possibly a 7th-rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Damn. I was hoping his vagina was worth something on the open vagina market. Guess Tijuana crack whores are getting better traction these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Ced is being paid $1.7 mil this year. That is about $1.7 mil too much. We will be lucky to get some whore house hand sanitizer as compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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