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35 minutes ago, SF2 said:

LOL no he is so bad he isn’t going anywhere else. Gonna sit on the sofa and collect his checks.

 

I ment Marvin, our defensive coordinator.  He may not be the coach but Mike isn’t paying him $5mil next year to redecorate his home in Arizona. 

 

Besides the injury excuse is too valid to force a $5mil cash burn by the Brown family. 

Lol and yep this is true.

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What's interesting to me, is that as cheap as Mike is - he doesn't mind paying for these shitty ex coaches to come back and be consultants - like Brat, John Cooper, finding a space for Hue, both times.

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14 minutes ago, Cat said:

What's interesting to me, is that as cheap as Mike is - he doesn't mind paying for these shitty ex coaches to come back and be consultants - like Brat, John Cooper, finding a space for Hue, both times.

If you look at other organizations we don’t pay shit for these guys.  Some of the GMs are making 3 to 4 mil a year. Elway makes $7mil plus.  Our entire front office and coaching staff is probably the lowest paid in the league or close. 

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1 hour ago, SF2 said:

LOL no he is so bad he isn’t going anywhere else. Gonna sit on the sofa and collect his checks.

 

I ment Marvin, our defensive coordinator.  He may not be the coach but Mike isn’t paying him $5mil next year to redecorate his home in Arizona. 

 

Besides the injury excuse is too valid to force a $5mil cash burn by the Brown family. 

 


 

Next year is the option year, if Marvin decides to quit (the only way he leaves IMO) he doesn't get paid.  

 

They can then roll that over to prepare for any HC injury settlements in 2049

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2 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 


 

Next year is the option year, if Marvin decides to quit (the only way he leaves IMO) he doesn't get paid.  

 

They can then roll that over to prepare for any HC injury settlements in 2049

Yep, only way Marvin doesn't get that $5 mil is if HE walks.   I can't see it happening.  He has every excuse (injuries) to come back and bank another $5 mil.  Staying another year will not tarnish his legacy anymore than it already is.  Au Contrare he might manage a decent season and go out as Meh.. oh..and with $3 mil in the bank (taxes).

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1 hour ago, SF2 said:

If you look at other organizations we don’t pay shit for these guys.  Some of the GMs are making 3 to 4 mil a year. Elway makes $7mil plus.  Our entire front office and coaching staff is probably the lowest paid in the league or close. 

So Mikey is saving $3-4 mil a year by not having a GM? Or is he paying himself?

Maybe that's why we haven't had a GM all these years?

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17 minutes ago, Shebengal said:

So Mikey is saving $3-4 mil a year by not having a GM? Or is he paying himself?

Maybe that's why we haven't had a GM all these years?

He says millions each year that way and by having the lowest number of staff in scouting and coaching across the league. Probably saves $10M per year overall on the admin side. And this is reflected on the field. 

 

I said this for years (I am in business), he could spend $10M more per year on better coaches and scouts and the he would get more than that back in stadium revenue and value of the franchise. He is a moron in this aspect.  Teams with the same market size like GB or Pitt are worth over $500M more because the win and they have a BRAND. 

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7 minutes ago, Shebengal said:

So Mikey is saving $3-4 mil a year by not having a GM? Or is he paying himself?

Maybe that's why we haven't had a GM all these years?

A few years ago it was reported that MB testified in court he paid himself a $1 million GM bonus every year.  I figure it is more today.  Plus I am sure Katie and Troy Blackburn and Mike's youngest son Paul who is now a VP all get significant salaries that count as expenses the team has to pay.  I read a couple of months ago that the Indian Hills house owned by Pete Brown when he passed was inherited by Katie and Paul the Younger.  Paul paid cash for Katie's half and is now the owner. 

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39 minutes ago, Shebengal said:

So Mikey is saving $3-4 mil a year by not having a GM? Or is he paying himself?

Maybe that's why we haven't had a GM all these years?

Mike Brown pays himself a higher salary than Dan Rooney:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/215649-bengals-gm-mike-brown-has-higher-salary-than-Stealers-dan-rooney

 

And for a VERY long time, club profits were used for stock buybacks that directly benefitted the Brown family.

When you talk about "sole owner" corporations, the math gets fuzzy. If Mike Brown leaves $50M in the Bengals bank accounts, and he is their sole owner... It avoids taxes, etc... And there's nothing to say that the Bengals can't pay for his every meal, pay for his company cars, or buy a Bengals yacht for his sole use.

The Bengals pull in around $60M a year on $359M total revenue. That's after all of the people get paid (Including Mike Brown). I know a ton if business people who would jump at almost 20% returns from any business.

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There’s something innately stinky and stupid about owning a company that is, and should be, highly profitable *and* paying yourself a salary for a job function you aren’t performing. 

 

As was intimated earlier in the thread: if the team was managed properly it could have more value as a brand. An owner wouldn’t need to justify an extra seven figures for himself in the form of a salary. 

 

Dumb.

 

And, I am getting really close to being done.

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There’s something innately stinky and stupid about owning a company that is, and should be, highly profitable *and* paying yourself a salary for a job function you aren’t performing. 

 

As was intimated earlier in the thread: if the team was managed properly it could have more value as a brand. An owner wouldn’t need to justify an extra seven figures for himself in the form of a salary. 

 

Dumb.

 

And, I am getting really close to being done.

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Mike Brown talks to Lewis everyday, or so it's said.  I'm sure he thinks that is what the GM does.  Yes, he is saving money and paying himself.  Don't forget that Mike Brown actually thinks he knows football.  Yes, it's greed, but it's a big dose of ignorance and arrogance as well.

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Owners of businesses get fired all the time anymore. Lets make Mike the next one.  FIRE MIKE BROWN!

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4 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

Mike Brown talks to Lewis everyday, or so it's said.  I'm sure he thinks that is what the GM does.  Yes, he is saving money and paying himself.  Don't forget that Mike Brown actually thinks he knows football.  Yes, it's greed, but it's a big dose of ignorance and arrogance as well.

And when Merv re-signed this year he said Mikey talks every day about winning a championship...lol..who could listen to this nonsense for 16 years every day? I would tell him to shit or get off the pot, do something about it or stop talking about it.

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12 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

And when Merv re-signed this year he said Mikey talks every day about winning a championship...lol..who could listen to this nonsense for 16 years every day? I would tell him to shit or get off the pot, do something about it or stop talking about it.

The answer is ... Marvy, of course.

Why do you think he still has a job?

 

"Good idea, Mr. Brown, let's sign A.J. Hawk and Kevin Minter.  All our problems will be over."

"I agree, sir.  Why run Joe Mixon when we have receivers like Cody Core on the roster."

"Andrew Whitworth is over the hill and declining sharply.  Get rid of him and bring in some fresh blood at OLT.

There's a guy in the draft that is the second coming of Anthony Munoz named Cedric Ogbuhei.  And another 

named Jake Fisher."

"You're going bowling this afternoon?  Would you like for me to wax your balls, sir?"

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When I was a kid, there was an episode of Twilight Zone or Outer Limits (can't remember which) where this person went from room to room in this house looking for a way out. In each room, it was the same people greeting him, in the same way. 

 

Sort of like here: you go from thread to thread, and the same people say the same things over...and over...and over...

 

Hotel fucking California. 

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3 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

Hotel fucking California

Eagles fan from way back.  Words you say are never truer than those sung by Don Henley.  "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device" or in other words we chose to be Bengal's fans and as such it's our own fault.  Prisoners of the 'Nati...

 

FWIW:  "People love it when you lose, They love dirty laundry"

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Fire Marvin Now?

The term “loyal to a fault” exists for a reason.

With a report suggesting the Cincinnati Bengals will let Marvin Lewis decide his future with the team after this season concludes, the team could indeed end up doing more harm than good.

 

Lewis deserves some semblance of loyalty, of course. He’s helped modernize the franchise and earned the trust of the front office in such a way he’s the longest-tenured coach not named Bill Belichick.

But Lewis’ legacy as bringing the Bengals into modern practices doesn’t hold up if he leaves the team in the same state he found it.

And injuries aside, he’s getting close to doing so.

 

Another step in becoming a modernized, serious-about-competing franchise might be cutting ties with Lewis now, not after four more meaningless games. Look at Green Bay and Mike McCarthy after an embarrassing loss.

Never mind the fact the Bengals have had plenty of embarrassing, low-effort losses this year (45-10, 35-20 at home against Cleveland of all teams, 24-10, etc.). Firing Lewis on the basis of it can help the team right now should be the priority.

Firing Lewis does a few things. One, it lets the front office see how the players respond to an interim head coach. Teryl Austin isn’t around, obviously, but three or four games of Bill Lazor running things could unearth something.

Two, it lets the Bengals get a head start on finding a successor on the open market. Why fall behind in doing due diligence with innovative college coaches or elsewhere while teams like Green Bay are already hard at work doing so?

There is a theory that Lewis is the absolute best the Bengals can do, which holds some weight. On one hand, the Bengals are only one of 32 jobs. On the other, the organization’s reputation might prohibit it from attracting the top names. Whether a new coach is allowed to displace someone like, say, Andy Dalton, could play a role in a hypothetical process. But the Bengals can’t know unless they try and some of the talent on the roster certainly makes for an intriguing job. Why not get a head start with the season over?

On a personal slant, coming to terms with Lewis on an early exit will save him weeks of endless speculation and rumors. And like the Bengals, it would get him on the market sooner if he’s intent on continuing to coach.

What’s the upside of letting Lewis play this out? A year ago, the Bengals won a few meaningless games against .500-type teams and it convinced all involved to give it another go. They tried to make some changes, but owner Mike Brown wants to win now and he gambled on Lewis’ infrastructure and those changes meshing well to turn things for the better.

That clearly hasn’t happened and it has been clear for years the Lewis infrastructure has a low ceiling. It’s why his teams have done poorly on prime time and he can’t beat Pittsburgh. Add in some bad drafting lately and the Lewis infrastructure is collapsing.

What should scare Bengals fans is if the report about letting Lewis make the decision after the season is true, it means they probably have someone already lined up to take over if he says no.

And that someone is probably Hue Jackson – the guy who went 3-36-1 in Cleveland but has the trust of Mike Brown. The latter outweighs the former in Cincinnati.

But hey, we’ll cross the Jackson bridge when we come to it. For now, the point is this whole “we’ll see where everyone’s at once the season is over” approach isn’t proactive.

And that’s the problem — the Bengals often aren’t proactive. They’re reactive, which has led to poor drafting, not retaining key talents and extending the same head coach while selling fans on the idea things will improve.

Which is the other big point here: the fans. Lewis’ job is an issue of trust at this point. His returning this season only furthered a sense of indifference. Some were conned into believing things had changed, but the attendance numbers speak for themselves. Cutting ties with Lewis early would at least signal to fans that change will happen.

Because right now, this whole thing feels awfully familiar.

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35 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

Fire Marvin Now?

The term “loyal to a fault” exists for a reason.

With a report suggesting the Cincinnati Bengals will let Marvin Lewis decide his future with the team after this season concludes, the team could indeed end up doing more harm than good.

 

Lewis deserves some semblance of loyalty, of course. He’s helped modernize the franchise and earned the trust of the front office in such a way he’s the longest-tenured coach not named Bill Belichick.

But Lewis’ legacy as bringing the Bengals into modern practices doesn’t hold up if he leaves the team in the same state he found it.

And injuries aside, he’s getting close to doing so.

 

Another step in becoming a modernized, serious-about-competing franchise might be cutting ties with Lewis now, not after four more meaningless games. Look at Green Bay and Mike McCarthy after an embarrassing loss.

Never mind the fact the Bengals have had plenty of embarrassing, low-effort losses this year (45-10, 35-20 at home against Cleveland of all teams, 24-10, etc.). Firing Lewis on the basis of it can help the team right now should be the priority.

Firing Lewis does a few things. One, it lets the front office see how the players respond to an interim head coach. Teryl Austin isn’t around, obviously, but three or four games of Bill Lazor running things could unearth something.

Two, it lets the Bengals get a head start on finding a successor on the open market. Why fall behind in doing due diligence with innovative college coaches or elsewhere while teams like Green Bay are already hard at work doing so?

There is a theory that Lewis is the absolute best the Bengals can do, which holds some weight. On one hand, the Bengals are only one of 32 jobs. On the other, the organization’s reputation might prohibit it from attracting the top names. Whether a new coach is allowed to displace someone like, say, Andy Dalton, could play a role in a hypothetical process. But the Bengals can’t know unless they try and some of the talent on the roster certainly makes for an intriguing job. Why not get a head start with the season over?

On a personal slant, coming to terms with Lewis on an early exit will save him weeks of endless speculation and rumors. And like the Bengals, it would get him on the market sooner if he’s intent on continuing to coach.

What’s the upside of letting Lewis play this out? A year ago, the Bengals won a few meaningless games against .500-type teams and it convinced all involved to give it another go. They tried to make some changes, but owner Mike Brown wants to win now and he gambled on Lewis’ infrastructure and those changes meshing well to turn things for the better.

That clearly hasn’t happened and it has been clear for years the Lewis infrastructure has a low ceiling. It’s why his teams have done poorly on prime time and he can’t beat Pittsburgh. Add in some bad drafting lately and the Lewis infrastructure is collapsing.

What should scare Bengals fans is if the report about letting Lewis make the decision after the season is true, it means they probably have someone already lined up to take over if he says no.

And that someone is probably Hue Jackson – the guy who went 3-36-1 in Cleveland but has the trust of Mike Brown. The latter outweighs the former in Cincinnati.

But hey, we’ll cross the Jackson bridge when we come to it. For now, the point is this whole “we’ll see where everyone’s at once the season is over” approach isn’t proactive.

And that’s the problem — the Bengals often aren’t proactive. They’re reactive, which has led to poor drafting, not retaining key talents and extending the same head coach while selling fans on the idea things will improve.

Which is the other big point here: the fans. Lewis’ job is an issue of trust at this point. His returning this season only furthered a sense of indifference. Some were conned into believing things had changed, but the attendance numbers speak for themselves. Cutting ties with Lewis early would at least signal to fans that change will happen.

Because right now, this whole thing feels awfully familiar.

What a depressing spot on article. 

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I can't disagree with anything in the article.  If he thinks it will reach Mike Brown's ear ,  all Mike hears is blah blah blah blah blah.

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On 12/8/2018 at 9:45 AM, High School Harry said:

Fire Marvin Now?

The term “loyal to a fault” exists for a reason.

With a report suggesting the Cincinnati Bengals will let Marvin Lewis decide his future with the team after this season concludes, the team could indeed end up doing more harm than good.

 

Lewis deserves some semblance of loyalty, of course. He’s helped modernize the franchise and earned the trust of the front office in such a way he’s the longest-tenured coach not named Bill Belichick.

But Lewis’ legacy as bringing the Bengals into modern practices doesn’t hold up if he leaves the team in the same state he found it.

And injuries aside, he’s getting close to doing so.

 

Another step in becoming a modernized, serious-about-competing franchise might be cutting ties with Lewis now, not after four more meaningless games. Look at Green Bay and Mike McCarthy after an embarrassing loss.

Never mind the fact the Bengals have had plenty of embarrassing, low-effort losses this year (45-10, 35-20 at home against Cleveland of all teams, 24-10, etc.). Firing Lewis on the basis of it can help the team right now should be the priority.

Firing Lewis does a few things. One, it lets the front office see how the players respond to an interim head coach. Teryl Austin isn’t around, obviously, but three or four games of Bill Lazor running things could unearth something.

Two, it lets the Bengals get a head start on finding a successor on the open market. Why fall behind in doing due diligence with innovative college coaches or elsewhere while teams like Green Bay are already hard at work doing so?

There is a theory that Lewis is the absolute best the Bengals can do, which holds some weight. On one hand, the Bengals are only one of 32 jobs. On the other, the organization’s reputation might prohibit it from attracting the top names. Whether a new coach is allowed to displace someone like, say, Andy Dalton, could play a role in a hypothetical process. But the Bengals can’t know unless they try and some of the talent on the roster certainly makes for an intriguing job. Why not get a head start with the season over?

On a personal slant, coming to terms with Lewis on an early exit will save him weeks of endless speculation and rumors. And like the Bengals, it would get him on the market sooner if he’s intent on continuing to coach.

What’s the upside of letting Lewis play this out? A year ago, the Bengals won a few meaningless games against .500-type teams and it convinced all involved to give it another go. They tried to make some changes, but owner Mike Brown wants to win now and he gambled on Lewis’ infrastructure and those changes meshing well to turn things for the better.

That clearly hasn’t happened and it has been clear for years the Lewis infrastructure has a low ceiling. It’s why his teams have done poorly on prime time and he can’t beat Pittsburgh. Add in some bad drafting lately and the Lewis infrastructure is collapsing.

What should scare Bengals fans is if the report about letting Lewis make the decision after the season is true, it means they probably have someone already lined up to take over if he says no.

And that someone is probably Hue Jackson – the guy who went 3-36-1 in Cleveland but has the trust of Mike Brown. The latter outweighs the former in Cincinnati.

But hey, we’ll cross the Jackson bridge when we come to it. For now, the point is this whole “we’ll see where everyone’s at once the season is over” approach isn’t proactive.

And that’s the problem — the Bengals often aren’t proactive. They’re reactive, which has led to poor drafting, not retaining key talents and extending the same head coach while selling fans on the idea things will improve.

Which is the other big point here: the fans. Lewis’ job is an issue of trust at this point. His returning this season only furthered a sense of indifference. Some were conned into believing things had changed, but the attendance numbers speak for themselves. Cutting ties with Lewis early would at least signal to fans that change will happen.

Because right now, this whole thing feels awfully familiar.

The tenor of this article is good, but there are several important mistakes.

 

First,  "owner Mike Brown wants to win now"  False.  Winning has never been a top priority for Mike Brown and it isn't now.  Maximizing profit is #1.  Doing it his (M Brown's) way is #2.  Winning is nice, but somewhere down the line.  Losing a lot, like 4-12, jeopardizes #1 and #2 and is what can get a coach fired.

 

Second, this guy thinks Bill Lazor would be the choice as interim head coach?  Not a chance.  It would be Jackson.  What if the Bengals actually won a game or two under Jackson?  Holy shit that would be awful.  He would be the next coach for sure and would save Brown the headaches of searching for a head coach that would put up with his nonsense.

 

Third, nothing in the infrastructure will change between now and the end of the year.  That is set in stone with more people than Marvin Lewis.

 

If you want to have just a sliver of hope that the Bengals will make major changes and get rid of Marvin and Hue you have to hope they lose out and Mike gets pressure from Katie to clean house.

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Gross mismanagement by Marvin in that game. Going for two way too early in the game. The onside kick was stupid. 

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2 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Raiders just fired their GM and I am sure Mikey is now thinking "As long as I never hire a GM, I will never have to pay him"

Fixt.

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