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Yeah, I got offered a shit-ton of money by Banyan Gaming to work for them in Miami 2 years ago. Told them no.

1) Florida schools suck. They make Mississippi look good. If the north being better didn't raise their averages...
2) Cost of living is astronomical. Even with the "You don't pay state tax", the cost of living difference would have required I make $38K a year extra to maintain my current lifestyle.
3) It's like a 3rd world country. You have the rich in their walled communities and the poor. Almost no middle class.

The entire state is 3 inches from the sun, you can't lay on grass without fire ants eating the hell out of you, and even the plant life is trying to kill you. The south of the state is all snowbirds from New Yawk, while the north of the state is just south Georgia. (Joe Dirt) Geographically, the entire state is a giant swamp, and you have hurricanes every other year. If you're lucky, you don't live in one of those places that gets over run by stupid drunk college students 4 months a year.

Freakin' paradise man.

In a nutshell that’s it.


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14 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

If Cincinnati fans a "meh" why has Lewis been trending all day?  Plenty of other guys lost their jobs.  Cincinnati fans are good, but not stupid.  If you feed them shit for years they stop giving you their money unconditionally.

Considering the state of NFL fandom I think "meh" is a HUGE compliment.  From a prospective coach's perspective they have to decide how much "fan management" is going to factor into their duties.  For a guy like Belichick, it's zero-to-negative (because he wins).  For Marvin it was required but he would sometimes shirk it with extreme prejudice.  For a Jets or Green Bay coach it is probably pretty miserable.  From this point of view I consider "meh" to mean the coach might roll their eyes once in a while, but overall it's not a negative experience and you can pretty much ignore it.

 

Compare this to my earlier example of hockey and Mike Babcock up here in Toronto, and it's REALLY extreme.  You have every type of fan - you have extremely knowledgeable fans, complete idiot fans, shameless homers and "constantly bitter" types - and LOADS of all of them.  People WILL approach him on the street, and probably quite often.  To his credit he has embraced all that and has been one of the most honest, accessible and open coaches I've ever seen interviewed.  He gives real answers that don't insult the intelligence and knowledge of the fans and he should be an example to any coach in any sport on how to manage a demanding fan base.

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Hallelujah, Marvin is gone. It's the first step of a long march toward winning a championship. Hiring Hue or Vance would be a step back. 

 

I'd rather hire a young talent on his way up than a retread. I'd rather hire some other team's retread than a Bengals retread. This team needs a complete change of culture. Unfortunately, Mike Brown will still be around. I don't care if Tobin stays or goes. But we're also kidding ourselves if we think Dalton is the QB to win a championship if we just find him a better RT and some LBs. If we get a shot at Haskins, we should grab him. Otherwise wait a year. 

 

Obviously Cincinnati isn't a top job but there are more HC candidates than jobs open. So we shouldn't have to settle for a bad former coach like Hue, we can get a McCarthy or Arians type at least. 

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26 minutes ago, Hooky said:

Can mods change the thread title?  It gives Mikey too much credit. He wasn't fired. Mikey probably begged him to stay.

Only the creator of the topic can change it I believe. I can move or delete but not change. 

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1 hour ago, HavePityPlease said:

Considering the state of NFL fandom I think "meh" is a HUGE compliment.  From a prospective coach's perspective they have to decide how much "fan management" is going to factor into their duties.  For a guy like Belichick, it's zero-to-negative (because he wins).  For Marvin it was required but he would sometimes shirk it with extreme prejudice.  For a Jets or Green Bay coach it is probably pretty miserable.  From this point of view I consider "meh" to mean the coach might roll their eyes once in a while, but overall it's not a negative experience and you can pretty much ignore it.

 

Compare this to my earlier example of hockey and Mike Babcock up here in Toronto, and it's REALLY extreme.  You have every type of fan - you have extremely knowledgeable fans, complete idiot fans, shameless homers and "constantly bitter" types - and LOADS of all of them.  People WILL approach him on the street, and probably quite often.  To his credit he has embraced all that and has been one of the most honest, accessible and open coaches I've ever seen interviewed.  He gives real answers that don't insult the intelligence and knowledge of the fans and he should be an example to any coach in any sport on how to manage a demanding fan base.

Toronto is the Hockey fishbowl.  Perfect for Babcock.  I know, sort of, a coach that worked in Toronto.  It changed him.  He used to be friendly and open, but not after Toronto. 

 

Babcock does have a big advantage, huge job security.  Ran off Lou.  Heard his nickname around the league is "God."

 

If the Bengals win, people will come.  Fan wise, Cincinnati is a good town.  Not too over the top.

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6 hours ago, membengal said:

My son is 17. That asshole head coach is all he has known of being a bengals fan. He’s not gonna believe me when I tell him Marvin is gone.

Hah. I am in the exact same boat with a 17 year old son who's a diehard Bengals fan. His younger brother is the Colts fan, so I'll be rooting for them against the Texans next weekend.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

Unless the coach is also the GM, they all do.  And even if they are GM, the owner will almost always have some say.

Yeaaaaaahhhhh typically with bringing in players or extending contracts - but I don't know many GM's that would insist on keeping a troubled player against the coach's wishes.

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5 hours ago, HavePityPlease said:

Getting back to that, what I've noticed for coaches with an actual winning history and pedigree, what attracts them more than anything else is a sense that they can win with their new team.  This often hinges on who the GM and other execs are (very bad start for us) but it of course also depends on the roster (actually quite good for us, as I stated previously).  Another, perhaps unnoticed thing is for a coach who is arguably a legened/hall of fame candidate what often attracts them is - challenge.  The only potential candidate that maybe fits that mold that I can think of is McCarthy.  This sort of thinking is what made me predict my Leafs would land Mike Babcock because he turned down more money, a better roster and a more predictable ownership group for the challenge of finally creating a winner in a "win or I hate you" city.

 

To summarize, my hopes rest on a coach liking the roster and the challenge.  They can't possibly "like" the management situation and as you stated the quality of life questions aren't winners either.  

I agree and wanted to add that NFL coaches tend to be married dudes with kids. THAT is a huge part of the decision to accept a job wherever. Are the schools good? Is the crime high in that city? What kind of values does this community have? Etc...

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5 hours ago, HavePityPlease said:

 

Little chance of attracting (or even pursuing) good free agents.

 

Yeah, the bolded is what I hate most about how the team is owned and run. Take a fucking flier on a GOOD free agent once and awhile! The biggest splash we've made in FA in recent memory was signing TO at the very end of his career. And that turned South in a hurry that season. Yeesh.

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Sad to see Marv go. He just hasn't been the same coach since that last playoff loss to the Stealers. All the penalties to get Pitt downfield, Joey Porter on the field, etc. Game really showed how staged a lot of NFL has seemed to become. 

 

Count me as not seeing much light with Marvin leaving. Mikey didn't have a real good track record before Marvin came along. Marvin's worst year, still better than a lot of the duds before him. 

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This isn’t nearly as bad a job as some of you make it out to be:

 

You have an owner that will let you serve out your contract and will stick by you regardless of performance.

The owner does not want limelight.

The media uses really soft pillows. You can just work.

The roster has a quarterback that can win games if you scheme around his deficiencies. 

You have a lot of say in who you draft. 

 

If you believe in yourself, this is a pretty good gig.

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4 hours ago, thezerawkid said:

 


Nope, Miami sucks.

Also, people who get on in years and have families tend see their priorities shift. Raising children and having them schooled in a safe, relatively well-adjusted place becomes a priority paramount to market size and exclusivity.

Also, and I can’t believe it hasn’t been mentioned yet: fucking job security. I absolutely defy anyone to tell me of another gig in the league that offers the same.


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I wonder if after Marvin the Brown family will be as patient with the new HC in the current NFL climate, as oblivious to it as the Brown family may very well be. However, Mike Brown was born in 1935. As a former Buick salesman, the saying becomes **Abe Simpson voice** "Well, I suppose this will be my last car".

4 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

This.  Lived a bunch of places.  The only difference is how out in the open these turds are.  Some places they still keep their heads down, even with Trump in charge.

You're probably a similar age to me. Isn't this thought, when expressed in writing like this, incredibly depressing given that in a few hours it'll be one year from fucking 2020? Like "2020: The Story Of The Future You Read As A Kid" book? That turns out badly, and likely written by Shel Silverstein?

3 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Hallelujah, Marvin is gone. It's the first step of a long march toward winning a championship. Hiring Hue or Vance would be a step back. 

 

I'd rather hire a young talent on his way up than a retread. I'd rather hire some other team's retread than a Bengals retread. This team needs a complete change of culture. Unfortunately, Mike Brown will still be around. I don't care if Tobin stays or goes. But we're also kidding ourselves if we think Dalton is the QB to win a championship if we just find him a better RT and some LBs. If we get a shot at Haskins, we should grab him. Otherwise wait a year. 

 

Obviously Cincinnati isn't a top job but there are more HC candidates than jobs open. So we shouldn't have to settle for a bad former coach like Hue, we can get a McCarthy or Arians type at least. 

What I am clinging to is that we hire from without for HC, and all that it entails with possible sweeping coaching changes, etc, and that this HC knows WTF he is doing and can implement a system that round-pegs/round-holes our roster, which will be presumably 100% healthy at the outset of the season, and that we plan to win NOW. NOW!!! This is the state of the NFL. We need to get with it. Hire a credible candidate and give him the reins to implement his system and let's get after it. Sign Eifert to another 1 year deal if he wants to come back. Look for Dalton's replacement. Monitor AJ Green's durability issues. Get Mixon, your fucking star on offense, the fucking ball more. Etcetera.

 

I guess I could have just said "I don't really see a long march towards winning a championship", because I do think with the right hand of coaching cards with this roster, we CAN win next season. Plus draft picks, hopefully LB, LB, LB, LB, LB, LB

7 minutes ago, Meow said:

Sad to see Marv go. He just hasn't been the same coach since that last playoff loss to the Stealers. All the penalties to get Pitt downfield, Joey Porter on the field, etc. Game really showed how staged a lot of NFL has seemed to become. 

 

Count me as not seeing much light with Marvin leaving. Mikey didn't have a real good track record before Marvin came along. Marvin's worst year, still better than a lot of the duds before him. 

Yeah. Really it boils down to whom the new HC is going to be. I don't want the Bengals to "make a splash" and hire some young-ish coordinator with a middling track record (Lazor, Austin) just to "make a splash". Interview EVERYBODY. McCarthy is out there. Has won a Super Bowl. Is provably by every metric a better NFL HC than Marvin ever was or will be. That Rams QB coach from what is almost laughably being called in the media the "McVay Coaching Tree" is an exciting idea. Wow, what a long and storied tradition of success that rivals the Parcells tree, that there McVay Tree. LOL.

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33 minutes ago, mgbrown66 said:

This isn’t nearly as bad a job as some of you make it out to be:

 

You have an owner that will let you serve out your contract and will stick by you regardless of performance.

The owner does not want limelight.

The media uses really soft pillows. You can just work.

The roster has a quarterback that can win games if you scheme around his deficiencies. 

You have a lot of say in who you draft. 

 

If you believe in yourself, this is a pretty good gig.

Completely agree. Almost anyone with coaching knowledge and passion for NFL football is going to be better than Marvin at this point. Ol' Crafty Marvy has been mailing it in for years, I think. I shed no tears over his predicament. He did a good job at first, then coasted, then declined. Our offense needs to catch up play-calling wise with 2019 NFL football. And we have to be able to block and cover TE's. OL's and LB's, man. All day next draft.

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16 minutes ago, Meow said:

Post deleted before this posted. 

 

Still don't like Dalton. Don't have too. 

You don't have to like Dalton (I don't much like him as our NFL QB, but I certainly don't hate him. It's hard to hate someone so bland. And with that fire engine hairdo.) but you cannot argue that he isn't a decent comeback QB. I'd like to see how many of those were in meaningful situations with playoff implications, in primetime, etc and not "spoiling the Ravens playoffs" garbage time scenarios.

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Don't understand all the hate out there for Marvin.  By all measures, he left this team better than he found it.  Remember when this franchise was Siberia and no credible player or coach wanted anything to do with it?  We were doomed to an endless bootloop of Shulas and Coslets and Klingers and Akilis.  With the very occasional Blake2Pickens and Boomer/Dillon blips to torment us?

 

For a hot minute in the mid 2000's, it was cool to be a Bengals fan when Palmer and Chad were gracing SI covers.  In the early 2010's, the Bengals were holding their own (at least in the regular season) regularly in the Division hunt and always making the playoffs.

 

With that said, it was time.  Actually, past time.  On most other teams, Marvin Lewis wouldn't have made it past 2010.  

 

He got a second life, whether it be because of Mike Brown's loyalty or cheapness.  He got to reboot and start over in 2011 with Dalton, Green, Gruden and Zimmer and had a pretty above average run for 4-5 years.  But he took the team as far as he could, with some bad breaks thrown in for good measure.  Burfict and PacMan sealed his legacy as the biggest playoff loser in history.  

 

Unfortunately, that is as high a ceiling that the man could take us.  High time for a change.

 

With that said, I'll give the man his due.

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5 minutes ago, Bunghole said:

You're probably a similar age to me. Isn't this thought, when expressed in writing like this, incredibly depressing given that in a few hours it'll be one year from fucking 2020? Like "2020: The Story Of The Future You Read As A Kid" book? That turns out badly, and likely written by Shel Silverstein?

Not to get preachy... But weren't we supposed to be the generation that was better? Untainted by knowing racism in our youth, raised by hippie flower children, better informed and open-minded in our world view thanks to technology.

We were supposed to have flying cars. Instead we have kids eating Tide Pods and a President who told a porn star that he hopes all of the sharks die.

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While multiple reporters said this was Mike Brown’s decision to let Lewis go, the Bengals’ press released called it a mutual parting of ways.

 

Was this Marvin letting Mike Brown save face, or the other way around?

By my count this is at least the third time Lewis has been ready to walk away from the job. However, media reports are saying that he still wants to coach.... (Even considering coordinator positions?)

Simply put, he's not done coaching, just done working for Mike and Katie.

Still no takers on rooting for the Chicago Bliss of the LFL?

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22 minutes ago, pagalbengal said:

Don't understand all the hate out there for Marvin.  By all measures, he left this team better than he found it.  Remember when this franchise was Siberia and no credible player or coach wanted anything to do with it?  We were doomed to an endless bootloop of Shulas and Coslets and Klingers and Akilis.  With the very occasional Blake2Pickens and Boomer/Dillon blips to torment us?

 

For a hot minute in the mid 2000's, it was cool to be a Bengals fan when Palmer and Chad were gracing SI covers.  In the early 2010's, the Bengals were holding their own (at least in the regular season) regularly in the Division hunt and always making the playoffs.

 

With that said, it was time.  Actually, past time.  On most other teams, Marvin Lewis wouldn't have made it past 2010.  

 

He got a second life, whether it be because of Mike Brown's loyalty or cheapness.  He got to reboot and start over in 2011 with Dalton, Green, Gruden and Zimmer and had a pretty above average run for 4-5 years.  But he took the team as far as he could, with some bad breaks thrown in for good measure.  Burfict and PacMan sealed his legacy as the biggest playoff loser in history.  

 

Unfortunately, that is as high a ceiling that the man could take us.  High time for a change.

 

With that said, I'll give the man his due.

Give me a break. There will always be players and coaches who will take a shot at ANY NFL franchise.  There are only 32 NFL teams in the world,  players are going to go anywhere they can get paid NF fucking L money to play their position. Only the very best FAs can choose and Mike Brown wont pay them anyways. 

 

The same shit was said about New Orleans for years. Tom Benson kept hiring and firing guys until he ended up with Sean Peyton and Drew Brees, a QB only Miami tried to get in FA. The rest is history. 

 

Marvin left the team better than he found it?  Marvin took over a team with a young group of good players to include Carson Palmer. What is the next coach getting? Old d line, a shit o line and no linebackers. Dalton is barely better than  Kitna. Not Marvin’s fault by the way, he doesn’t pick personnel. 

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2 hours ago, mgbrown66 said:

This isn’t nearly as bad a job as some of you make it out to be:

 

You have an owner that will let you serve out your contract and will stick by you regardless of performance.

The owner does not want limelight.

The media uses really soft pillows. You can just work.

The roster has a quarterback that can win games if you scheme around his deficiencies. 

You have a lot of say in who you draft. 

 

If you believe in yourself, this is a pretty good gig.

And the roster is pretty solid overall.  A couple of holes, but not a total rebuild.

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