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On 10/19/2019 at 3:03 AM, BengalBuckeye said:


Yeah Dalton’s the reason we can’t run the ball, block the opposing defense or stop the run.


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Dalton wasn’t even good when we had good O line. He’s not Russel Wilson or Lamar Jackson. He needs max protection to be average. He needs to go! Period!

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10 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

What makes this situation worse is the team actually had a ton of spirit and enthusiasm going into the season. Last years they looked defeated before TC, this year they felt renewed do no doubt the failure is deflating for all. 

 

Why no picture of Tree Sloth Mikey this week? We need that every week.

They were 5-1 last year before injuries sank their season, how did they look defeated but started out the season 5-1.

 

I would rather they look defeated and actually win a few games than feel renewed and get their teeth kicked in every fall Sunday.

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No one outside of PBS and a few fans think Dalton is a capable QB.

 

The best teams have QB's that will elevate the play of their teammates and can win games based on their talent level, it's obvious Andy is not that guy.

 

I don't care what he did in 2015 for a few months in the regular season, he belongs on the bench. He's had years to improve and in year 9 he's still making rookie mistakes, he's regressing and the Bengals are winless in part because of his performance.  

 

 

 

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One reason I would like to see Finley play is to see the response from the rest of the offense.  Do they perk up?  Would they be excited to see him back there?  Would they feel the need to protect him?  I realize that may only last a drive or two, but it would tell you for sure what they think of Dalton.

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21 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

One reason I would like to see Finley play is to see the response from the rest of the offense.  Do they perk up?  Would they be excited to see him back there?  Would they feel the need to protect him?  I realize that may only last a drive or two, but it would tell you for sure what they think of Dalton.

I agree with this. I think that 98% of the the fanbase and the Bengals "brain" trust knows Dalton is not the future of this team. His replacement is getting drafted in 2020. But, let's see what happens when someone else is behind center.

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AD isn't Jay Cutler or some other obnoxious shit who has called out his line for the bad plays. On the contrary, he has been steadfastly supportive of whatever line is put in front of him. This is the next version of "Who's to Blame?" This present line is trash, even if they "felt like blocking more", they simply do not have the ability to do it.   

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13 hours ago, TigerJ@w said:

Does Dalton have naked pictures of MFB and his family or something?  What does it take to bench this clown?  I don’t care if Finley throws a couple of picks at least make a change.  Taylor says in his post game conference that he didn’t want to talk about making a change here, then goes onto say everything is being looked at to be changed.  BS!  Either Taylor is just another MFB puppet or he has no clue on what he is doing.   What will it hurt at this point in benching the little red BB gun? What, lose another 7 in a row?  lol He changes the OLman, but not the golden boy?  What a joke!  

 

I think it's both, Talyor hasn't shown any level of competency in game planning & management, play calling, or being able to win games.

 

Taylor didn't deserve the job based on his experience or by merit, he got it because he's friends with an overrated coach. 

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55 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

AD isn't Jay Cutler or some other obnoxious shit who has called out his line for the bad plays. On the contrary, he has been steadfastly supportive of whatever line is put in front of him. This is the next version of "Who's to Blame?" This present line is trash, even if they "felt like blocking more", they simply do not have the ability to do it.   

I disagree a little.  These guys are all professional football players.  It is ridiculous to think that a professional NFL line can't block well enough to get more than 0 yards on 16 carriers.  The real issue is formations and play calling.  Don't mistake this for me thinking the line is ok, it isn't. 

 

The reality is the play calling and personnel used is horrific.  I can predict almost every play based on down and lineup and I am just some fat guy sitting on my sofa in Springboro.  Here comes Gio, gonna be a pass and he will roll out into the flat.     The crazy thing is they finally roll Mixon out into coverage and he catches a TD pass.   Drew Sample in, no worries he has 5 catches this season.  CJ Uzomah, the guy the gave $6.25 mil to last year?   They don't throw to him much anymore either. 

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All true. My point was that there have been no indications whatsoever AD has now, or has had, any bad relations with his line. That they might "perk up" and block better for any other QB, is subjective at best. They simply cannot block--playcalling or ability--no other reasoning.    

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I like Andy, always have.

But it is now painfully obvious he has a real case of The Yips.  On a post game show I heard it called the Jon Kitna Disease where he can be counted on to make a game killing mistake at just the right time.

For those locals interested, Andy us at Belterra Casino (old River Downs) every Thursday from 6:00 to 8:00 for some un or under publicized radio show and just fields soft ball questions from a couple of the talking heads.  Questions from the audience are discouraged but they will take one if intelligent and appropriate.

I plan to be there (close to home) to see if he shows up if nothing else.  Would not blame him if he doesn't.

 

As far as Zac, big decision time and time to see if he can put on the big boy pants.

Andy Dalton: To Bench or Not To Bench.

Maybe let him start the game in London, pull him at halftime if he is a train wreck.  Put in Findley and use the Bye Week to evaluate and decide about the rest of the season.

 

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8 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

All true. My point was that there have been no indications whatsoever AD has now, or has had, any bad relations with his line. That they might "perk up" and block better for any other QB, is subjective at best. They simply cannot block--playcalling or ability--no other reasoning.    

He may not have bad relations with them, but it's clear he doesn't trust them anymore. The line also sucked last year with Glenn and Boling which is why they drafted Jonah Williams. And according to ZT, they tried to move up in the 2nd round to get another olineman.  Yet, somehow, Mixon was able to lead the AFC in rushing last year. This year, he will be the worst. To me, it appears to be a major coaching issue. 

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1 hour ago, OneHeartBeat said:

He may not have bad relations with them, but it's clear he doesn't trust them anymore. The line also sucked last year with Glenn and Boling which is why they drafted Jonah Williams. And according to ZT, they tried to move up in the 2nd round to get another olineman.  Yet, somehow, Mixon was able to lead the AFC in rushing last year. This year, he will be the worst. To me, it appears to be a major coaching issue. 

Exactly.  The play calling is absolutely predictable. The formations and personnel on the field almost always tip off the defense.  What is troubling is the run block schemes look almost high schoolish.  Almost no misdirection and any end around is so telegraphed it is disturbing.  No doubt coaching is a big part of why they look so terrible in the run game. 

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14 hours ago, PatternMaster said:

They were 5-1 last year before injuries sank their season, how did they look defeated but started out the season 5-1.

 

I would rather they look defeated and actually win a few games than feel renewed and get their teeth kicked in every fall Sunday.

That was pure bullshit to start the season, the team looked like they were sit of Merv and it showed up

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2 hours ago, High School Harry said:

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I like Andy, always have.

But it is now painfully obvious he has a real case of The Yips.  On a post game show I heard it called the Jon Kitna Disease where he can be counted on to make a game killing mistake at just the right time.

For those locals interested, Andy us at Belterra Casino (old River Downs) every Thursday from 6:00 to 8:00 for some un or under publicized radio show and just fields soft ball questions from a couple of the talking heads.  Questions from the audience are discouraged but they will take one if intelligent and appropriate.

I plan to be there (close to home) to see if he shows up if nothing else.  Would not blame him if he doesn't.

 

As far as Zac, big decision time and time to see if he can put on the big boy pants.

Andy Dalton: To Bench or Not To Bench.

Maybe let him start the game in London, pull him at halftime if he is a train wreck.  Put in Findley and use the Bye Week to evaluate and decide about the rest of the season.

 

For all of his well-overstated (true or otherwise) deficiencies, he sits comfortably as the franchise 2nd leading all-time passer. He bypassed Norman and the Quitter a while back--and did it sooner than either did. He'll never catch Kenny, although I believe he would but will not be here. He leads QB rating over all Bengal QB's. We'll consider this once the new messiah is drafted and tossed out there.

 

The crapping upon never comes as a surprise--it happens to any QB this side of St Thomas of Foxboro. There is always somebody better. The lust is never abated. The new messiah will be crapped on too eventually. 

 

The ultimate capital punishment for not meeting the media/JQAF standards--BENCHING--will just be pouring more crap on crap. Nobody seriously gives a great diving fuck what Ryan Finley might do-except maybe disappoint draft lusters and scratch out a win. To think that he will be anything more than a well-beat upon place-setter for the new messiah, is disingenuous at best. 

 

Yeah, it's that time for AD. Why? Because they tell you it's time.     

 

  

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18 hours ago, Catfish Bob said:

Before the season started I believed it was possible they could've received a 2nd rounder from the right team and looked like geniuses. Draft the guy in the 2nd. Get 8 years of service out of him then trade for another 2nd round pick.

 

After the last few weeks I don't know if he would bring better than a 4th or 5th. Still not shabby tho considering the 8 years of service (or 8 years of torturing ur fan base).  :)

Any GM that offers the Bengals a 4th round draft pick for Andy Dalton should be fired on the spot for gross incompetence.

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44 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

For all of his well-overstated (true or otherwise) deficiencies, he sits comfortably as the franchise 2nd leading all-time passer. He bypassed Norman and the Quitter a while back--and did it sooner than either did. He'll never catch Kenny, although I believe he would but will not be here. He leads QB rating over all Bengal QB's. We'll consider this once the new messiah is drafted and tossed out there.

 

The crapping upon never comes as a surprise--it happens to any QB this side of St Thomas of Foxboro. There is always somebody better. The lust is never abated. The new messiah will be crapped on too eventually. 

 

The ultimate capital punishment for not meeting the media/JQAF standards--BENCHING--will just be pouring more crap on crap. Nobody seriously gives a great diving fuck what Ryan Finley might do-except maybe disappoint draft lusters and scratch out a win. 

 

Yeah, it's that time for AD. Why? Because they tell you it's time.     

 

  

Considering this franchise has only 1 Hall of Fame player and 5 playoff wins in 52 years, being one of its better players isn’t as great as it sounds.  
 

Dalton is an average QB at best. Comparing passing yards and ratings of an 80s era QB to today is laughable. He has played in 30 more games in Cincy than Palmer so you would hope he had already passed him.   And the fact is Palmer was a slightly above average QB at best in Cincy, he just happened to be light years better than Akille Smith, Jon Kitna, Gus Ferrotte and David Klingler. 
 

Passer rating?  In today’s game of QB and WR protection you want to compare passer ratings to even an QB 10 years ago?  So that makes Dalton a better QB than Roger Staubach? By the way, Palmer's passer rating in Arizona was better than Dalton's.   And Matt Schaub has a better lifetime passer rating than Dalton so he must be really good. 

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I'm not trying to convince you of anything--that is an exercise in fruitlessness. So, stop trying to convince me. Run non sequitur stats around--just keep them in mind for the next QB you will be crapping on. 

 

Go and looks at the point: every QB eventually becomes shit to the media and fans. There is always the next best thing. It's just AD's turn.

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30 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

I'm not trying to convince you of anything--that is an exercise in fruitlessness. So, stop trying to convince me. Run non sequitur stats around--just keep them in mind for the next QB you will be crapping on. 

 

Go and looks at the point: every QB eventually becomes shit to the media and fans. There is always the next best thing. It's just AD's turn.

I haven't really crapped on Dalton, I just think he is average at best.  I thought Esiason and Palmer were maybe a little better but really not that much.   I would like to see Dalton get a chance at a better organization truth be said.  Tenn, Chargers, Tampa Bay maybe?   Not great organizations but not this current train wreck.  Dalton has always played OK when he has a decent line, something I don't see here for a few years.  I can't see the club re signing him, I would imagine Taylor wants his own guy and after watching Murray he is going to want a shiny new toy.   Also, gone are the days of new QBs learning for a year under a mentor unless you are a rock. (cough, cough, Haskens, cough, Rosen, )

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

This season Dalton is one of the worst graded QBs in the league with a clean pocket. 

He also has the least amount of time in the league before he is pressured in that same pocket.  He is also missing Greene who is a special talent, Ross who drew coverage, a running game and is running a new offense that looks like a predictable shitty one.    He had a bad game yesterday but when the opposition knows you are going to throw almost every down and your current #1 receiver is really a good #2 receiver, you don't throw much to your TEs and you won't really have time to throw deep its pretty easy to keep the receivers bottled up. 

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There was a segment on NFL Network this past Sunday, with Kurt Warner and Michael Irvin, saying that the league has figured out Sean McVay's offense.

Defenses are no longer being fooled by his deceptions.

 

Check out this article

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2019/9/25/20884063/2019-los-angeles-rams-nfl-head-coach-sean-mcvay-jared-goff

 

Fast forward to the Bengals.

Same offense being called, but now with a coach who has ZERO experience calling plays.

And probably limited ability in drawing up plays and audibles.

 

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