|High School Harry| Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Tom Pelissero ✔@TomPelissero More injury trouble for the depleted #Bengals defense: CB William Jackson is expected to miss at least a few weeks because of a shoulder injury, per source. Dre Kirkpatrick also sidelined by a knee injury. The hits keep coming. 352 1:27 PM - Oct 15, 2019 · Fort Lauderdale, FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Sucks for him but oh well, what's the team going to do? Extra lose? Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Bad thing it lets the Brown Family Trust continue to believe it's just bad luck and they do not have to do anything different with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Who is left to play corner? Not that it seems to matter much. Could we just IR every started and shelve em for next year..... only like half kidding on that last bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, westside bengal said: Bad thing it lets the Brown Family Trust continue to believe it's just bad luck and they do not have to do anything different with the team. They weren't going to do anything different regardless. They will do what they've always done: the bare minimum required to retain an NFL franchise. As long as they can find 30 or so guys to wear the uniform for a few months a year it's all gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: They weren't going to do anything different regardless. They will do what they've always done: the bare minimum required to retain an NFL franchise. As long as they can find 30 or so guys to wear the uniform for a few months a year it's all gravy. This. Perfect statement, it does not matter about good/bad luck, injuries or whatever. They just plod along in the same manner year after year. Luckily, Mike Brown "really wants to win" and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphead Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, T-Dub said: They weren't going to do anything different regardless. They will do what they've always done: the bare minimum required to retain an NFL franchise. As long as they can find 30 or so guys to wear the uniform for a few months a year it's all gravy. I was never really in this camp because I always thought deep down MB wanted to win if nothing else for his Pops, but I am starting to lean this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, saphead said: I was never really in this camp because I always thought deep down MB wanted to win if nothing else for his Pops, but I am starting to lean this way. I think he wants to win like I wanted to play on my high school basketball team. I was pretty good but I played two sports and wouldn’t play year round basketball which you needed to to be good enough to make the team. Mike wants to win but he isn’t going to put in the extra time to incrementally improve the team or hire the extra people who will do it for him. The fact they have not executed a mid season trade since 1972 says it all. The difference between good and great in NFL isn’t a huge gap BUT it takes considerable time and effort to close that seemingly small gap. It’s a couple of points on average on both sides of the ball. It’s maybe 5 yards difference in average starting position. It’s a couple of plays a year to earn that bye. It might be one extra good player you pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, saphead said: I was never really in this camp because I always thought deep down MB wanted to win if nothing else for his Pops, but I am starting to lean this way. I think he wants to win as validation. He wants to be proven right; that his performative "Nice Guy" Redeemer shit has merit & his stubborn refusal to change was the right move all along. It's about the vindication that would come from winning a SB. Given a choice between admitting he has no clue or losing, well.. Here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 hours ago, T-Dub said: I think he wants to win as validation. He wants to be proven right; that his performative "Nice Guy" Redeemer shit has merit & his stubborn refusal to change was the right move all along. It's about the vindication that would come from winning a SB. Given a choice between admitting he has no clue or losing, well.. Here we are. Over the years I have began thinking that he really is clueless. Everything he thinks he knows about football he learned before his Dad passed and modern Free Agency began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, westside bengal said: Over the years I have began thinking that he really is clueless. Everything he thinks he knows about football he learned before his Dad passed and modern Free Agency began. He sure seems to act like it's hereditary. He inherited a team, not the knowledge of how to run it. I don't recall him pulling a sword from a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, T-Dub said: He sure seems to act like it's hereditary. He inherited a team, not the knowledge of how to run it. I don't recall him pulling a sword from a stone. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 hours ago, T-Dub said: He sure seems to act like it's hereditary. He inherited a team, not the knowledge of how to run it. I don't recall him pulling a sword from a stone. It's the ugly side of nepotism, he's in the GM position for the Bengals because of nepotism and not merit. The whole front office reeks of nepotism and it's the main reason why this franchise has been inept for so long. From Mike Brown, Duke Tobin, and Katie & Troy Blackburn; they are all in their current roles because of who their daddy is/was, not because they were hands down the best person for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: It's the ugly side of nepotism, he's in the GM position for the Bengals because of nepotism and not merit. The whole front office reeks of nepotism and it's the main reason why this franchise has inept for so long. From Mike Brown, Duke Tobin, and Katie & Troy Blackburn; they are all in their current roles because of who their daddy is/was, not because they were hands down the best person for the job. What's the family connection for Tobin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, T-Dub said: What's the family connection for Tobin? His dad was a long time GM and his uncle was a NFL coach, I seriously doubt Duke would have gotten the opportunities if not for his families connections. I'm sure he works hard but his track record is less than stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, T-Dub said: What's the family connection for Tobin? I believe it was thru Duke's dad Bill. Bill was a long time NFL executive. He recommended Duke to Mike when Duke was wanting to break into the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: His dad was a long time GM and his uncle was a NFL coach, I seriously doubt Duke would have gotten the opportunities if not for his families connections. I'm sure he works hard but his track record is less than stellar. Oh OK, vaguely aware of his Dad's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: Oh OK, vaguely aware of his Dad's career. I am pretty sure he was the Colts GM before Polian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, T-Dub said: Oh OK, vaguely aware of his Dad's career. His dad was famous for going after Mel Kiper on ESPN. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2019/04/25/nfl-draft-looking-back-feud-between-mel-kiper-colts-gm-bill-tobin/3573252002/ He worked for the Lions, Bears, Colts and drafted Marvin Harrison and Marshall Faulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: His dad was a long time GM and his uncle was a NFL coach, I seriously doubt Duke would have gotten the opportunities if not for his families connections. I'm sure he works hard but his track record is less than stellar. Agree. He gets credit for constructing the roster for the consecutive playoff run but he has been here since 1999 and that is not much of a resume to me. I still believe Zimmer's defense was a major part of that playoff run as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, westside bengal said: Agree. He gets credit for constructing the roster for the consecutive playoff run but he has been here since 1999 and that is not much of a resume to me. I still believe Zimmer's defense was a major part of that playoff run as anything. In a what have you done for me lately business like the NFL, his track record over the last 4 years hasn't been good. His hubris, believing that he had constructed a competitive roster and it was Marvin Lewis that was holding the team back, has directly affected this team. No one outside of PBS believes Dalton can win a big game, but he's still the franchise QB. The oline has been in shambles but the big fix is an injured draft pick and resigning Bobby Hart. The LB corp is awful, so lets add a 3rd pick and never play him...my point is Tobin's personnel decisions have been questionable at best and the result have the Bengals at 0-6 and none even considering a Super Bowl as a realistic goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 10:07 AM, BengalsCat said: Who is left to play corner? Not that it seems to matter much. Could we just IR every started and shelve em for next year..... only like half kidding on that last bit. After seeing Billings drop into coverage a couple weeks ago I'm sure he will fill in just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalFanInTO Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Looks like the Bengals tradition of making first year QBs look like future Hall of Fame candidates will continue. Tony McRae, BW Webb and Torry McTyer will be patrolling the secondary. At least Dre Kirkpatrick won't be in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 12:25 PM, saphead said: I was never really in this camp because I always thought deep down MB wanted to win if nothing else for his Pops, but I am starting to lean this way. You actually thought MB wanted to win? Dude, what ever gave you that impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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