T-Dub Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Of course he takes no responsibility for anything ever & acts like the organization didn't sign T.O. at his request, not to mention his own brother for whatever reason. Still, the criticism is obviously valid & it's refreshing to hear someone that was on the inside cut through the usual evasive bullshit. Even if he is kicking them while they're down to enhance his own reputation. Classic Palmer. I particularly liked how he glossed over the 6 turnovers in the biggest game of his career. They should've interviewed his wife. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2019/11/02/carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-were-mess-and-disaster/4140193002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriZENry Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Of course he takes no responsibility for anything ever & acts like the organization didn't sign T.O. at his request, not to mention his own brother for whatever reason. Still, the criticism is obviously valid & it's refreshing to hear someone that was on the inside cut through the usual evasive bullshit. Even if he is kicking them while they're down to enhance his own reputation. Classic Palmer. I particularly liked how he glossed over the 6 turnovers in the biggest game of his career. They should've interviewed his wife. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2019/11/02/carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-were-mess-and-disaster/4140193002/ Wow, I’d like to hear it as he tells it to his close friends over a few beers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Probably tells the stories at his usual SC tailgate site, in all his Trojan gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Fuck Palmer. But he is correct on this one. The Bengals are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Basically he said that management/front office is more important then players. Good management will have a plan and execute it. Bengals management is <cough cough> dysfunctional at best, interested more in making money then fielding a competitive team.. Not exactly a newsflash round these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Probably tells the stories at his usual SC tailgate site, in all his Trojan gear. Don't you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Reinforces what I have said too many times, it has to start at the top. And at our top is a tree sloth who does nothing but count cash. The players don’t trust the organization to commit to winning. I know a lot here hate CP but he speaks the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Reinforces what I have said too many times, it has to start at the top. And at our top is a tree sloth who does nothing but count cash. The players don’t trust the organization to commit to winning. I know a lot here hate CP but he speaks the truth. Yeah he's being brutally honest, but he's also deflecting and trying to make himself look good by putting the Bengals down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalFanInTO Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Yeah he's being brutally honest, but he's also deflecting and trying to make himself look good by putting the Bengals down. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Yeah he's being brutally honest, but he's also deflecting and trying to make himself look good by putting the Bengals down. He has a great future in politics. Except for the honest part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 I think there is a risk of the top QB (s) rejecting the Bengals if they draft them or stating so before the draft. Or they play out their 5 years and look to move on. I would love to see some kind of player revolt against the team, something other then Mikey stroking out has to change this teams structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 SoP won't live forever, at least we can hope. I don't think any player would skip the draft because of the possibility of being taken by the Bengals. I could easily believe several players might tell the Bengals privately they don't want to play here. Then Mikey would be angry enough to draft them, leading to Bo Jackson redux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: I think there is a risk of the top QB (s) rejecting the Bengals if they draft them or stating so before the draft. Or they play out their 5 years and look to move on. I would love to see some kind of player revolt against the team, something other then Mikey stroking out has to change this teams structure. If Mike Brown will do what the Packers did when they signed Reggie White (overpay to prove he's serious) he might be able to avoid that problem. Any idea what the chances of that happening are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|westside bengal| Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 The problem is the Bengals usually have too many players that know they are likely out of the league if they don't take the Cincy job. They can hang around another 3 or so years and bank another $5 million plus or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, westside bengal said: The problem is the Bengals usually have too many players that know they are likely out of the league if they don't take the Cincy job. They can hang around another 3 or so years and bank another $5 million plus or more. Exactly, the Bengals can be the southern most CFL franchise at times. This is the last stop for many fringe NFL players, if the option is either retirement or play with the Bengals then there's a good chance they will sign here, if there are other options then good luck Cincinnati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 3, 2019 Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Exactly, the Bengals can be the southern most CFL franchise at times. This is the last stop for many fringe NFL players, if the option is either retirement or play with the Bengals then there's a good chance they will sign here, if there are other options then good luck Cincinnati No reason to criticize the CFL..lol But yeah, you have hit the nail on the head. I am sure it well known in the league circles that we are not about winning and we will not pay top dollar for the grade A talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 The flip side of that are guys the Bengals cut who thrive on better teams. Denver is starting Davante Harris at CB. If his name sounds familiar, it's because he was a Benglas draft pick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Fuck the quitter and the Bengals.... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: The flip side of that are guys the Bengals cut who thrive on better teams. Denver is starting Davante Harris at CB. If his name sounds familiar, it's because he was a Benglas draft pick this year. Harris? Who cares, we have Webb instead!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, fluhartz said: Fuck the quitter and the Bengals.... lol On the NFL show on CP, it sounded like all the players at that time elected him to go speak to the Tree Sloth, so given no change happened I see CP just did his own thing. I have no issue with that - he made an effort to invoke change and the owner refused. Both have the right to make their own decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: On the NFL show on CP, it sounded like all the players at that time elected him to go speak to the Tree Sloth, so given no change happened I see CP just did his own thing. I have no issue with that - he made an effort to invoke change and the owner refused. Both have the right to make their own decisions. that's why I said fuck both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Those could be the reasons the got rid of him the Bengals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluoz Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 22 hours ago, T-Dub said: ...the criticism is obviously valid & it's refreshing to hear someone that was on the inside cut through the usual evasive bullshit. Carson pulls no punches referring to Mike Brown as an "idiot" and summing up the Cincinnati Bengals experience, thusly: "...you've got to be desperate to win a championship. You've got to be all in. The financials and the money side of it are very important obviously to owners, and to everybody that's invested in the organization. But if the most important thing is the financials and the second-most important thing is winning, then you don't have a chance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Duluoz said: Carson pulls no punches referring to Mike Brown as an "idiot" and summing up the Cincinnati Bengals experience, thusly: "...you've got to be desperate to win a championship. You've got to be all in. The financials and the money side of it are very important obviously to owners, and to everybody that's invested in the organization. But if the most important thing is the financials and the second-most important thing is winning, then you don't have a chance." Other than not having a scouting department and other organizational stuff I think it's more about not spending the money wisely. We've rewarded some below average players with above average contracts. If they're that concerned about costs and are required to spend a certain amount, wouldn't it make sense to invest in the decision-making process so you spend that money wisely? It's very shortsighted, like they're budgeting that cap minimum required and then just doling it out to whoever seems nice. I'm starting to think this whole "on vacation at the trade deadline" thing might actually be good. It shows that KatieTroy would rather be doing something else, which may indicate a willingness to eventually turn football operations over to professionals so they have more time for bird watching or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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