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Do AJ Green or Jonah Williams play at all this year?


Do AJ Green or Jonah Williams play at all this year?  

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  1. 1. Do AJ Green or Jonah Williams play at all this year?

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1 hour ago, Bunghole said:

What the ever-loving FUCK is it with 1st round picks and the bumbling Bengals?

 

It's not the ONLY reason, but employing one single college scout sure doesn't help.  Without qualified talent scouts they're leaning on measurables, which is how you end up with John Ross 6th overall or guys with nagging injuries that were common knowledge to everyone but us.

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22 hours ago, saphead said:

That's MLB level 'Operation shutdown'. 

Except that MLB teams can literally "shut down" a player, and be quite open about it. The league says nothing. 

 

The NFL--with all of its "integrity"--mandates that if a player of magnitude can play--he must. None of this stashing for the next year...the NY public relations people will not stand for it!    

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On 12/9/2019 at 10:04 AM, Le Tigre said:

Except that MLB teams can literally "shut down" a player, and be quite open about it. The league says nothing. 

 

The NFL--with all of its "integrity"--mandates that if a player of magnitude can play--he must. None of this stashing for the next year...the NY public relations people will not stand for it!    

MLB is a train wreck.  It takes 6 years of major league service to become an FA. Minor league service does not count so many teams stash players there  intentionally to get extra years.  
 

Most MLB players hit FA for the first time near 30, right when all the fancy analytics now say their skills are eroding. Most only get one shot at a big contract and even that is disappearing. 
 

2022 will see a long term player strike.  Write it down. It is a sport with a few barely recognizable vastly overpaid superstars surrounded by unknown filler.   It is bleeding fans at a staggering rate. 

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2 hours ago, SF2 said:

MLB is a train wreck.  It takes 6 years of major league service to become an FA. Minor league service does not count so many teams stash players there  intentionally to get extra years.  
 

Most MLB players hit FA for the first time near 30, right when all the fancy analytics now say their skills are eroding. Most only get one shot at a big contract and even that is disappearing. 
 

2022 will see a long term player strike.  Write it down. It is a sport with a few barely recognizable vastly overpaid superstars surrounded by unknown filler.   It is bleeding fans at a staggering rate. 

 

They also have guaranteed contracts, complete with the various trade restrictions & options on those depending on their clout and/or vet status.  

 

I kind of like their "disabled list" structure vs IR, seems like it makes even more sense in a full-contact sport where critical injuries to one or two players can derail a season.  Beyond that I expect regular player's strikes in any big pro sport.   Big money, big risk = big mess.

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Yeah, those poor oppressed baseball players--where even the pinch hitters and end of the bench types make an average of $4.35 million per. Oh yeah, and if they get sent down, they make the same...let alone the guaranteed contracts. 

 

36-year old Cole Hamels just signed a 1-year $18 million guaranteed deal. Yeah, analytics and eroding skills at work. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Yeah, those poor oppressed baseball players--where even the pinch hitters and end of the bench types make an average of $4.35 million per. Oh yeah, and if they get sent down, they make the same...let alone the guaranteed contracts. 

 

36-year old Cole Hamels just signed a 1-year $18 million guaranteed deal. Yeah, analytics and eroding skills at work. 

 

 

Pitchers are an entirely different position and are as valuable as QBs. They only play every 5 games so can extend their careers.  Hamels has a lifetime 3.42 era which places him near the top of the league.  The median salary in baseball is $1.4 million.  Using the average makes no sense since there are a few ridiculous outliers that skew the average.  They also play 162 regular season games as opposed to 16.  

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Not every player plays 162...you made the all-sweeping statement that they were "in prison" because they cannot get FA without 6-years of service. You haven't forgotten arbitration have you--that can increase a player's salary w/o being technically "free"? 

 

But you are right: the physical toll on a major leaguer is infinitely less than on an NFL player. They can play longer--and at a higher competency--than football players.       

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24 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Not every player plays 162...you made the all-sweeping statement that they were "in prison" because they cannot get FA without 6-years of service. You haven't forgotten arbitration have you--that can increase a player's salary w/o being technically "free"? 

 

But you are right: the physical toll on a major leaguer is infinitely less than on an NFL player. They can play longer--and at a higher competency--than football players.       

A lot of the players don't see real FA, they take the arbitration because they are afraid they won't get a big deal later on when they are older.  Keep on mind, most of these guys are going thru their first arbitration round after they have been in the minors for 6 to 7 years.   Guys are playing 8 to 9 years before they get a decent pay raise if they end up "making it".  That is an awful long time to finally get paid.  The  6 year clock will probably start once a player hits the minors after the next labor negotiation I would think. 

 

The clubs don't bring up younger players unless they are absolute superstars.   The Yankees had 1 player under the age of 29 making over a million dollars a year in 2019. 1 out of 34.    The Cheating Astros 3 out of 34.   The longer they can keep decent role players in the minors until they are needed, the  less money they have to spend on them and use it for the most important thing:  PITCHING.  

 

No I am not going to shed a lot of tears for these guys but baseball does a terrible job of highlighting their youth players which in today's social media era is pretty stupid.   Most people still can't pick Mike Trout out of a lineup and he has been a star for 5 years. 

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10 minutes ago, Cricket said:

 

Well, trout and salmon look a lot alike.

 

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I couldn't pick Bryce Harper or Trout out of a lineup.  Oh I would probably realize I had seen the guy before if I saw a picture of him.  Such is my disdain for the sport where a championship can be bought or sold in a single season while the schedule fillers (Reds) try to catch lightning in a bottle with $100mil less in payroll. 

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Bengals’ WR AJ Green visited today with noted foot specialist, Dr. Robert Anderson, per source. If Green is in Green Bay today with a foot doctor, hard to imagine he’ll return this season. He’s scheduled to be a free agent this off-season.

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