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3 minutes ago, tibor75 said:

Ugh.  Why is this hard for Bengal fans to understand? 

 

Dullton sucks now.   He was a decent QB in his prime. I didn't want to get rid of him then.  I kept hoping he would take the next step.  And it never happened.  What if he didn't injure his thumb?  We will never know.  But remember, he injured his thumb after throwing an INT in the red zone.  So you can't even say it was bad luck.  He made a shitty play (like he usually does against Pittsburgh) and it cost him the year.

 

And during his prime he failed miserably in the playoffs. ONE TD pass.

 

So if your argument is that Dullton should be a starting QB in the NFL in 2020 you should realize:

1. He sucks now

2. Even at his best, he sucked when it counted.

 

 

You failed to mention his oline first five yrs as oposed to the last few years..

He cannot improvise...

Burrow seems to have that quality..

 

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3 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

You failed to mention his oline first five yrs as oposed to the last few years..

He cannot improvise...

Burrow seems to have that quality..

 

Yes, Dalton had a very good OL AND AJ Green AND Marvin Jones AND Mohamed Sanu AND a decent RB. 

 

We know how this story ended.

 

Carson Plamer is so negative he is too stupid to realize that he should have stayed a Bengal.  Imagine him with those weapons.  They are better than Chad, TJ, and Henry.

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15 minutes ago, tibor75 said:

Yes, Dalton had a very good OL AND AJ Green AND Marvin Jones AND Mohamed Sanu AND a decent RB. 

 

We know how this story ended.

 

Carson Plamer is so negative he is too stupid to realize that he should have stayed a Bengal.  Imagine him with those weapons.  They are better than Chad, TJ, and Henry.

Carson had to deal with their constant whining in the huddle on every sibgle play..

Then Rudi started griping about his touches along with another griper in flakey Owens..

Palmer wasnt a leader..

He finally wanted out...

 

 

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7 hours ago, bfine said:

Jacolby Brisett. 

Is a lifetime 12-20 and averaged 169 yards a game passing.   He has never averaged over 200 yards per game in 4 years. The guy is getting replaced by a geriatric statue named Philip Rivers. He was drafted in the 3rd round by New England and they traded him away after 1 year to the Colts for Philip Dorsett who sucks too. 

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With the Bears signing Fools and the Patriots being stingy, it now becomes the cutting Andy Dalton thread.

Or keeping him for a year as groomer and back up.

 

Personally, I don't dislike Andy at all.

I wish him well no matter where he goes if anywhere.

 

But the Bengals are now in a corner with two players, Andy and Kirkpatrick, who we don't want and

no one will trade for because they may be cut and gotten for nothing.

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3 hours ago, High School Harry said:

With the Bears signing Fools and the Patriots being stingy, it now becomes the cutting Andy Dalton thread.

Or keeping him for a year as groomer and back up.

 

Personally, I don't dislike Andy at all.

I wish him well no matter where he goes if anywhere.

 

But the Bengals are now in a corner with two players, Andy and Kirkpatrick, who we don't want and

no one will trade for because they may be cut and gotten for nothing.

If the Patriots really are considering Dalton, they now have a ton of leverage, but very little assurance that he will end up there if cut.  I believe that we might be able to wrangle a 6th round pick out of them, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s only a 7th-rounder.

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40 minutes ago, Cricket said:

If the Patriots really are considering Dalton, they now have a ton of leverage, but very little assurance that he will end up there if cut.  I believe that we might be able to wrangle a 6th round pick out of them, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s only a 7th-rounder.

Meh, he's worth more than that. Especially now that other QB names are coming off the market. Dalton's value, I believe, increases. 

 

He's a better, more consistent quarterback than Foles, and he still has tread on his tires, unlike Rivers. 

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9 hours ago, SF2 said:

Is a lifetime 12-20 and averaged 169 yards a game passing.   He has never averaged over 200 yards per game in 4 years. The guy is getting replaced by a geriatric statue named Philip Rivers. He was drafted in the 3rd round by New England and they traded him away after 1 year to the Colts for Philip Dorsett who sucks too. 

Yet, Brissett had more TDs and half the INTs than Andy last year, not to mention his passer rating was higher. Believe it or not some folks feel those numbers are more important that yards per game. You must absolutely love you some Jameis Winston, but there's a reason he's still on the street and folks like Teddy Bridgewater and Nick Foles are being signed to starting gigs. But you keep using those passing yards per game as your measuring stick; however, I'll be thinking that Bill understands that no QB left is Patrick Mahomes and paying attention to what his former employee is doing down in Tennessee.

 

You know folks are desperate when they start downgrading Philip Rivers. Dude is a potential HOFer, had an "off year" last year but still had a passer rating 10 points higher. But probably most importantly to you: he averaged 288 yards per game (20 YPG more than Andy).

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20 hours ago, bfine said:

I think they'll try to get Jacoby Brissett if they do anything other than draft one. They may bring back Cody Kessler.

 

It says a lot that Chicago picked the more expensive Foles over Andy; especially with Bill Lazor in Chicago.

I believe Matt Nagey (sp?) was Fole's qb coach in KC when he was there.

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12 minutes ago, Jackie Treehorn said:

At 16 million I agree unless they covered some of his salary or sent draft pick compensation to sweeten the pot.

 

...that’s why they signed Whitworth, to sweeten the pot.

 

 

:ninja: 

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5 hours ago, bfine said:

Yet, Brissett had more TDs and half the INTs than Andy last year, not to mention his passer rating was higher. Believe it or not some folks feel those numbers are more important that yards per game. You must absolutely love you some Jameis Winston, but there's a reason he's still on the street and folks like Teddy Bridgewater and Nick Foles are being signed to starting gigs. But you keep using those passing yards per game as your measuring stick; however, I'll be thinking that Bill understands that no QB left is Patrick Mahomes and paying attention to what his former employee is doing down in Tennessee.

 

You know folks are desperate when they start downgrading Philip Rivers. Dude is a potential HOFer, had an "off year" last year but still had a passer rating 10 points higher. But probably most importantly to you: he averaged 288 yards per game (20 YPG more than Andy).

Brissett took a team many had as a Super Bowl contender with Luck to a disappointing  7-8.   He is a backup and probably will continue to be one in Indy.  He has NEVER had a good season.   Compare his numbers to the best QBs in the league and his are laughable.  Same with Bridgewater.   And yes, if you can't pass for more than 200 yards a game in today's NFL, you better have Derrick Henry as you RB, an oline that can block and a good defense.  Oh, and hopefully your #1 and #2 receivers are healthy as well.

Dalton led a team that was projected to be the worst in the league besides Miami.     A totally inxperienced coaching staff that tried to run exotic blocking schemes with future Sun Glass Hut employees.   Every talking head said the same thing:  Their Oline is terrible.    They were right.   A team with no linebackers to start the season other than a 3rd round rookie.   At least they had Ryan Finely there to prove you right about Dalton being terrible. 

 

The best QBs in the league don't average less than 200 yards a game, not even close.   If you think this team was bad because of Andy Dalton, you simply don't know anything about the 2020 version NFL football.   Dalton in an OK QB, nothing more but he is far better than Brissett.   

The Bears traded a 4th and for Foles and restructured his contract.   He is there to compete for a starting gig, they are not handing it to him.  He lost out his starting job to a guy with a cool mustache and because NOBODY LIKED HIM.   The Bears have a long sad history of having TERRIBLE QBs just like Cleveland, Foles will be no different. 

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8 minutes ago, SF2 said:

Brissett took a team many had as a Super Bowl contender with Luck to a disappointing  7-8.   He is a backup and probably will continue to be one in Indy.  He has NEVER had a good season.   Compare his numbers to the best QBs in the league and his are laughable.  Same with Bridgewater.   And yes, if you can't pass for more than 200 yards a game in today's NFL, you better have Derrick Henry as you RB, an oline that can block and a good defense.  Oh, and hopefully your #1 and #2 receivers are healthy as well.   Also, need an experienced coaching staff that doesn't try to run exotic blocking schemes with future Sun Glass Hut employees.   Thank goodness they had Ryan Finely there to prove you right about Dalton being terrible. 

 

The best QBs in the league don't average less than 200 yards a game, not even close.   If you think this team was bad because of Andy Dalton, you simply don't know anything about the 2020 version NFL football.   Dalton in an OK QB, nothing more but he is far better than Brissett.   

The Bears traded a 4th and for Foles and restructured his contract.   He is there to compete for a starting gig, they are not handing it to him.  He lost out his starting job to a guy with a cool mustache and because NOBODY LIKED HIM.   The Bears have a long sad history of having TERRIBLE QBs just like Cleveland, Foles will be no different. 

Im still thinking Dalton to the Pats for a high 5th rounder..

We dump 17 mil to help cover new contracts..

We add a draft pick albeit not a high one but not a 7th either..

Win for the Bengals..

 

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4 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Im still thinking Dalton to the Pats for a high 5th rounder..

We dump 17 mil to help cover new contracts

They add a draft pick albeit not a high one but not a 7th either..

Win for the Bengals..

 

A problem with that is NE doesn't have a 5th Rounder, much less a high one. They do have a mid 4th if they are willing to give that much, but the Bengals will want more. Especially if you believe compensation was a factor in Foles and Dalton decision in the Chicago trade.

 

Rumors:

Bengals are willing to trade Andy to NE for their 4th and Isiah Wynn. Pats are not.

 

Raiders want to sign Cam Newton to bring the team to Las Vegas and the Pats want Carr. So maybe some sort of 3-way there.

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22 minutes ago, SF2 said:

 If you think this team was bad because of Andy Dalton, you simply don't know anything about the 2020 version NFL football.   

OK Coach. 

 

Must be why numerous teams are offering us all kinds of high compensation for Andy

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2 minutes ago, TigerJ@w said:

Don’t look now, but Flacco is now available too.  😂 

Led his team to the playoffs the first 5 years of his career and averages over 230 yards per game in his career.  Pats would be silly not to take him. 

 

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5 minutes ago, bfine said:

Led his team to the playoffs the first 5 years of his career and averages over 230 yards per game in his career.  Pats would be silly not to take him. 

 

At what price?

Flacco for 23-25 mil or Daltons present contract at 17mil for one yr..

 

 

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