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35 minutes ago, gupps said:

Baun I think (but ask me tomorrow) :laugh:

In all honesty, I think the Bengals are wedded to Hart for at least next year (someone else said that earlier I'm just to lazy to look it up) so an OT may be out of the question at 33.  Assuming that's  the case I'd prefer a killer guard and a LB in rounds 2 and 3.

Was it a shotgun wedding cause noone thinks Hart is up for the task this year..

Hes never graded above a 60 every year.

Cheap contract at 2.85 mil this year helps offset other signings ....Can we gope Fred Johnson can play better? 

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I would want Cesar Ruiz in the second and Isaiah Wilson in the third. Cut Hart sign jason peters to a one year deal. Let Wilson compete with Jordan for one starting guard position and then kick Wilson to RT the following season.  Then LB round 4 and then sign Danny Trevation

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49 minutes ago, bengals7833 said:

I would want Cesar Ruiz in the second and Isaiah Wilson in the third. Cut Hart sign jason peters to a one year deal. Let Wilson compete with Jordan for one starting guard position and then kick Wilson to RT the following season.  Then LB round 4 and then sign Danny Trevation

You were rollin good till you got to theWilson at LG..hes actually to big to get in that guard stance...hes huge!

Trevation signed a 3yr deal to stay with the Bears..

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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

You were rollin good till you got to theWilson at LG..hes actually to big to get in that guard stance...hes huge!

Trevation signed a 3yr deal to stay with the Bears..

Goodberry says he can start inside even at his size and eventually move outside if he isn’t ready for starting outside now.

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Cards on the table, I just went and looked at a bunch of my saved TDN drafts and here is the range of players I have considered or taken the most often in rounds 2 - 4. Post FA spending spree, I sorted out CBs, S, and IDL from my considerations - after they spent $135 million to shore up those positions I am hoping they are looking WR, OL, and LB in rounds 2-4 in some order. I would be super grumpy over a TE in those rounds. BPA, but targeted BPA given the areas of need remaining would be my hope.  

Note, some set of the players I have listed below are unavailable in each given simulation, but sometimes are available - enough that I get to choose from them every so often. Assuming no massive falling from the top 20 players, here is who I am looking at usually for pick 33:

WRs - Mims, Reagor, Higgins ( note - J. Jefferson almost never makes it to 33 on the mocks I do, and I don't really want Shenault)
LBs - Queen, Baun, Murray (altho I admit to being not as high on Murray as some of the experts are and often pass on him for other positions)
OL - Ruiz, Cleveland, Josh Jones (I REALLY don't like Austin Jackson based on some of what I have read and Niang is probably a reach here - Jones doesn't fall to 33 a ton, but just enough that I hold out hope that he's there for them to consider at start of day 2)

That's my big board of preferred players for top of round 2 - unless something crazy happens with one of the top WR or OT falling from top 20.

At top of round 3 I am usually choosing from amongst this crew in the mocks I do on TDN and Fan Speak:

WR: Aiyuk, Peoples-Jones, Pittman Jr. Claypool (Aiyuk could go as high as round 1 or as low as 3 - I would prefer him here - I am not as high on Peoples- Jones and Claypool as others arebut this is where they likely would have to be taken if not already gone)
LB: M. Harrison, W. Gay Jr., J. Brooks, ADG (not a one of these four seems to be sliding to round 4 now, so if you want one of this group, this is the spot)
OL: Isaiah Wilson, Prince Wonogho, R. Hunt, N. Muti, Josh Jackson, D. Lewis, L. Niang, L. Cushenberry (there's a lot of variability here in the mocks, but some combo of the names on this list will be there in 3 but most often only one or none slips to top of 4 - and any of this crew immediately decidedly upgrades the OL)

And the players generally available around top of round 4 that I like (this got harder when those damn comp picks were assigned and we slipped to pick 107:

WR: Van Jefferson, D. Duverney (often Duverney slips to round 5 in my mocks but I think come draft that is unlikely)
LB: Logan Wilson, T. Dye (MAYBE on each of these guys- very possible to get here and both have already been taken - I would kill for Dye at top of 4 but that is only every so often)
OL: S. Lemieux, S. Kindley, B. Bredesen, J. Simpson, L. Stenberg, B. Bartch (these are all IOL except for Bartch and Bartch may play best there in the NFL)

My general conclusions/working theories from six weeks of running mocks:

If you want an OT to challenge to play this year, has to come from a selection in rounds 2 or 3. IOL is deep enough that you can find someone at top of four (and RARELY 5) who might be able to challenge to start. 

As deep as WR is, the true difference making depth at the top of the WR class are gone by middle of round 3 in almost every mock unless you are higher on Van Jefferson than I am. I think he and Duverney could immediately help, but I have them a good tier below the crew I have listed in rounds 2 and 3.

LB is deeper than we thought back in January (at least deeper than I thought) , but still no guarantee that there will be someone there in round 4 that we can count on day 1.

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3 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

You were rollin good till you got to theWilson at LG..hes actually to big to get in that guard stance...hes huge!

Trevation signed a 3yr deal to stay with the Bears..

Wilson is only 1 inch and 20 lbs bigger than Quinton Nelson. He could definitely get into a guard stance. 

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13 hours ago, bfine said:

Wilson is only 1 inch and 20 lbs bigger than Quinton Nelson. He could definitely get into a guard stance. 

Nelson 6'5 330..

Wilson 67 350.. Hes actually 6'6.5 

By your reasoning someone 69 and 370 could play guard since he wouldnt be that much bigger than Isaiah..

Is there no limit?

We just disagree on him at guard..

Doesnt make either one of us right..

 

 

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2 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Nelson 6'5 330..

Wilson 67 350.. Hes actually 6'6.5 

By your reasoning someone 69 and 370 could play guard since he wouldnt be that much bigger than Isaiah..

Is there no limit?

We just disagree on him at guard..

Doesnt make either one of us right..

 

 

I am 6' 240 and don't like tying my shoes.

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First...I have no frickin' idea on what the other 31 teams need, want, lean toward.

 

Second...I have no frickin' idea on the quality of the available players in the draft.

 

I have stayed at a Best Western (not since January), though; and, I have powerful gleaning skills.

 

So, with my powerful gleaning skills, I have gleaned from fan posts, nfl commentary sites, people believing they have done their research, and so forth from around the web, that our 2nd Round pick has come down to a choice of just a few players because most have been eliminated for various reasons.  

 

Reason #1.  All WR's are eliminated as it appears that those not taken in the 1st Round are more late 2nd Round prospects or further and not worthy of the #33 pick.

 

Reason #2.  If the Safety Delpit is there, he would be eliminated because he can't tackle and the Bengals have made it clear they are done with players who can't tackle, no matter how good their other skills might be.

 

Reason #3.  Carlos Ruiz has potential, but should the Bengals take him, that doesn't leave them with an impact player who can play LB in a 3-4 or 4-3 that comes anywhere near like Baun can play the position.  Ruiz also is raw and would likely not even start his first season.

 

Reason #4.  DI Jordan Elliott would be the most tempting player, as he could give the Bengals the ability to replace Geno Atkins, but by taking him, they are left with the same problem of Reason #3.

 

Reason #5.  S Ashtyn Davis duplicates Vonn Bell, though could be a better cover man.  Doesn't fill a need, though a good pick here.

 

No other options.  The pick is Jake Baun.  Knowing this is the pick, unless the Bengals were willing to move up from #33 in order to grab a WR that they covet, then I would risk moving down a spot, or two.  Pick #34 might want to make certain they get their player, as long as it's not Baun, and the Bengals may as well pick up something for that if they can, but don't get too cute.  I wouldn't trade down more than a spot or two before taking Baun.  Fill a need with a quality player and move on.

 

What that leaves at the top of the 3rd Round isn't great.  I would trade that pick to move down to the middle of the 3rd and try to pick up extra picks for next year, like a 3rd or 2nd.

 

When they took their last franchise Quarterback, Dalton, their next pick was LB (Moch), then G (Boling).  The time before that, their next pick was G (Steinbach), then WR.  So, looking at this, you could glean that Interior Offensive Line would be in play here, making Ruiz a real possibility.  Ruiz's only issue is that he's raw physically and is unlikely to get the help a raw prospect needs this Summer and this Spring with no OTA's and a limited Summer Camp.  He needs to hit the weightroom (should have been doing that since his College season came to an end).  Ruiz wouldn't be a bad pick.  It just leaves them grabbing a LB late in the 3rd or early 4th.  The WR they picked up from the other league could work out, anyway, for now.  Picking up a core interior Lineman isn't a bad thing.

 

 

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3 hours ago, SF2 said:

I am 6' 240 and don't like tying my shoes.

Lol..Cab you imagine the big guy getting down in a 3 point stance at guard over and over...going down and getting his back straight then coming up is going to

wear his ass OUT..

Better at RT where he can stay in two point stance alot...

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5 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Guys i like at 33..

Mims...Baun...Josh Jones..Reagor..Gladney

Guys i dont like at 33..

Shanault..Higgins...Delphit..Austin Jackson..Ruiz..

Mind mind changes dailey lol..

Why?

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11 hours ago, Jason said:

Why?

He is young but experienced, pretty damn big and can play guard or center. And he’s shockingly athletic for his size. Ruiz at 33 is a plug and play at RG. I think we won’t have that option and that he will already be off the board.

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I feel like we are stacked at WR. Green, Boyd, Tate,Ross. 

 

I'd bight the bullet and take another TE. Uzomah has shown promise but we need a clutch TE.  Maybe trade down the #33 and turn it into a TE & WR. 

 

Use next year's #1 pick on wr if green is done after this year. 

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4 hours ago, Catfish Bob said:

I feel like we are stacked at WR. Green, Boyd, Tate,Ross. 

 

 

 

Really? Two of those guys can't seem to stay on the field lately (or, yknow, ever in Ross's case).  I don't see how either one can be relied upon.

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8 hours ago, membengal said:

He is young but experienced, pretty damn big and can play guard or center. And he’s shockingly athletic for his size. Ruiz at 33 is a plug and play at RG.

I like the idea of him being competition at Center for Hopkins.

Not that Hopkins is all that bad, but one at Center and one at ORG

is not all that bad, either.

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21 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

I like the idea of him being competition at Center for Hopkins.

Not that Hopkins is all that bad, but one at Center and one at ORG

is not all that bad, either.

And, again, Ruiz absolutely can play guard.

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6 hours ago, Catfish Bob said:

I feel like we are stacked at WR. Green, Boyd, Tate,Ross. 

 

I'd bight the bullet and take another TE. Uzomah has shown promise but we need a clutch TE.  Maybe trade down the #33 and turn it into a TE & WR. 

 

Use next year's #1 pick on wr if green is done after this year. 

Ack. No TE in second round again. The only core WRs under contract after this year are Boyd and maybe Tate if you consider him a core piece. WR is a need. 
 

plus, this is clearly a base 11 offense - we have enough tight ends already for what we run. If they take one in seventh fine, but please not in second or third.

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6 hours ago, Catfish Bob said:

I feel like we are stacked at WR. Green, Boyd, Tate,Ross. 

 

I'd bight the bullet and take another TE. Uzomah has shown promise but we need a clutch TE.  Maybe trade down the #33 and turn it into a TE & WR. 

 

Use next year's #1 pick on wr if green is done after this year. 

We are only considered 'stacked' at WR if you are comparing them to our LB's

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