IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 5:22 PM, membengal said: They literally can not afford to keep dalton at his current salary under the cap- him staying as a mentor only works if he agrees to a re-structure and a significant paycut. Dehner and Morrison went over that in detail on their pod for this week. He’s either dealt or cut. I just do not think this is factually correct. Spotrac has us $3 mil over with Andy, AJ on the franchise, and all the picks. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/# If we waived, Redmond + one of Erickson, Carter, or Tupou we'd be under. And if AJs deal ends up being $14 mil this year instead of $17, we are under. The idea that we HAVE to get rid of Andy because CAP is just factually wrong. Stop listening to people that say that, they do not know what they are talking about. Now, wether we SHOULD release him, and use that money on extensions, or FAs, is another question. But if we decide to start the season with Andy on the roster & see if injuries create a market, the cap is not a real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 Before the draft, we were about 7 mil under. Signing the rookies will cost about 12 mil total. But the team also would like to have some cushion to sign replacements for injured players inseason and also like to be able to pick up a mid-priced vet or two if the opportunity presents itself. We can potentially save money on longer term deals for Green and WJ3. But Mixon is in line for a substantial raise. So yes, we do need to cut or move Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: Before the draft, we were about 7 mil under. Signing the rookies will cost about 12 mil total. But the team also would like to have some cushion to sign replacements for injured players inseason and also like to be able to pick up a mid-priced vet or two if the opportunity presents itself. We can potentially save money on longer term deals for Green and WJ3. But Mixon is in line for a substantial raise. So yes, we do need to cut or move Dalton. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 18 hours ago, IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 said: I just do not think this is factually correct. Spotrac has us $3 mil over with Andy, AJ on the franchise, and all the picks. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/# If we waived, Redmond + one of Erickson, Carter, or Tupou we'd be under. And if AJs deal ends up being $14 mil this year instead of $17, we are under. The idea that we HAVE to get rid of Andy because CAP is just factually wrong. Stop listening to people that say that, they do not know what they are talking about. Now, wether we SHOULD release him, and use that money on extensions, or FAs, is another question. But if we decide to start the season with Andy on the roster & see if injuries create a market, the cap is not a real problem. It was factually correct. They couldn't afford him with the FA spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 hours ago, membengal said: It was factually correct. They couldn't afford him with the FA spending. Dude, no it was not. Follow link. Read. Some guys tweet isn't proof of anything. That might be your problem right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 6 hours ago, IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 said: Dude, no it was not. Follow link. Read. Some guys tweet isn't proof of anything. That might be your problem right there. I can't believe you are arguing this but the team couldn't afford to keep Dalton and do their other business. Little things like signing Burrow, extending Mixon and WJ3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: I can't believe you are arguing this but the team couldn't afford to keep Dalton and do their other business. Little things like signing Burrow, extending Mixon and WJ3. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Here is a look at the jersey numbers for the Bengals draft picks and several undrafted free agents: QB Joe Burrow — 9 WR Tee Higgins — 85 LB Logan Wilson — 55 LB Akeem Davis-Gaither — 59 DL Khalid Kareem — 90 OL Hakeem Adeniji — 77 LB Markus Bailey — 51 LB Marcel Spears Jr. — 52 DT Tyler Clark — 69 (nice) WR Scotty Washington — 8 RB Devwah Whaley — 35 TE Mitchell Wilcox — 84 And here are the numbers for several players signed in traditional free agency: CB LeShaun Sims — 38 RB Jacques Patrick — 31 CB Mackensie Alexander — 21 LB Austin Calitro — 47 LB Josh Bynes — 56 CB Trae Waynes — 26 As of Friday morning, safety Vonn Bell, defensive tackle D.J. Reader and offensive guard Xavier Su’a-Filo have yet to be assigned numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 18 hours ago, sparky151 said: I can't believe you are arguing this but the team couldn't afford to keep Dalton and do their other business. Little things like signing Burrow, extending Mixon and WJ3. 1. Burrow is already built in, and so are the signing bonuses for the rooks. We were $3 mil over. 2. We do not have to extend Mixon this year. Tag him next. WJ3 extension can wait too. 3. We may save cap space on a Green or WJ3 extention, though not for Mixon. 4. These things are certainly easier with Dalton off the books, but could still be accomplished with releasing other players or a combination of other guys (Redmond, Carter, Erickson, Gio, etc). And do not have to be done this year at all (save for AJs deal, whick likely comes in under $17 mil and saves us space this year anyhow). That is a total strawman argument. Your whole argument has moved. At first you were saying we HAD to cut Dalton because we were over the cap. I said this was nonsense, as we were minimally over and could cut a couple of other guys (say Redmond and Carter) and still be under. Cutting Andy because of cap concerns was never necessary. Now, does unloading him make things easier, cap and extention wise? Absolutely. Does it free up more cash to splash on sone vet FAs if we choose? Lord I hope so (Jason Peters, Delaine Walker). Did it ever make sense to pay a backup QB $17.7 million? Hell no! But none of that was what we were talking about. We weren't talking about SHOULD we cut Andy (yes, we should have). We were talking about did we HAVE to? Because cap (no we did not). One thing I will agree with is that it is silly to argue it further. Point is moot. He is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 Oops, correction, I thought Mixon had 1 more year. No tag possible next year. Still, I am not big on paying RBs $10 mil a year, especially if they are 2 down backs. If he won't take a reasonable deal, let him play it out & walk. Take the comp pick, and go get a stud lineman and pay him $10-15 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 said: Oops, correction, I thought Mixon had 1 more year. No tag possible next year. Still, I am not big on paying RBs $10 mil a year, especially if they are 2 down backs. If he won't take a reasonable deal, let him play it out & walk. Take the comp pick, and go get a stud lineman and pay him $10-15 mil. Agreed. There is a reason RB's rarely go in the early stages of round 1. Paying big money to RB's rarely works out and the team writing the check almost always regrets it. Todd Gurley is a good example. You can sign a serviceable RB off of the waiver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 said: Oops, correction, I thought Mixon had 1 more year. No tag possible next year. Still, I am not big on paying RBs $10 mil a year, especially if they are 2 down backs. If he won't take a reasonable deal, let him play it out & walk. Take the comp pick, and go get a stud lineman and pay him $10-15 mil. An argument can be made that Mixon is a critical piece to the offense for the first Burrow contract. To take the pressure off both Burrow and the OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 3:26 PM, IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 said: Now, wether we SHOULD release him, and use that money on extensions, or FAs, is another question. But if we decide to start the season with Andy on the roster & see if injuries create a market, the cap is not a real problem. The answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 There was zero chance Dalton stayed at $17 million plus to sit on the bench. Sure, it was possible, but this organization and this owner was never going to allow it to happen. The money freed up should lead to another signing or extension. Burrow's contract is a huge advantage that creates a window to spend more on the rest of the roster, which they've done this off season. It would've been a waste to have a backup QB at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Interesting article on the roster rebuild, let e know if you cannot access it: https://theathletic.com/1790072/2020/05/04/this-is-crazy-inside-how-bengals-plotted-executed-a-massive-roster-overhaul/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jupiter Fan Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 pay site, nope cannot access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UncleEarl Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, membengal said: It’s free access for 90 days so... If you were to ever consider paying for sports content, The Athletic is the best I've seen. Great coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 8 hours ago, UncleEarl said: If you were to ever consider paying for sports content, The Athletic is the best I've seen. Great coverage. Correct. It’s tremendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacCurtis:TheReal#85 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 1:47 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said: An argument can be made that Mixon is a critical piece to the offense for the first Burrow contract. To take the pressure off both Burrow and the OLine. True, but name the last Super Bowl winner with a $10 mil RB? The Pats? Nope. Chiefs? Nope. Eagles? Nope. Saints? Nope. Been a while. Unless I am forgetting someone. The fact is, behind a good offensive line, slightly above average guys will look like borderline Pro-Bowlers (see Dalton, Andy). A great offensive line, and Pro-Bowlers will look like all-timers (see Aikman, Troy). Behind a poor offensive line , pro-bowlers often look like crap. I like Mixon as a player, but we can get 80%-90% of him for 25% of the cost. There are Swift/Dobbins/Taylor types coming out every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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