UncleEarl Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Cricket said: Of course, we COULD give him more carries. Has he actually shown that he can’t do it? Seems like he does okay on what fee carries he gets (Should be receiving the ball more). This. He can still play. He also is a bit of a change of pace back from Mixon. Also, RBs don't hold up so well with 20+ carries a game. I'd rather Gio get 6-8 touches a game just to relieve the load from Mixon. More if the game is out of hand like it was against the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 11:38 PM, PatternMaster said: That's the thing, can someone please tell me what is Taylor's system? Lots of motion and intermediate routes, with zone blocking schemes? For an offensive genius mastermind whatever....the offense is consistently bad. Taylor was suppose bring over the same scheme from the rams,he was suppose to be the next mcvay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 9:41 AM, PatternMaster said: Jim Turner does and he's Taylor's tough guy/bad cop, and that's the problem. Turner was a awful oline coach in Miami and I was willing to give him a chance,but when you have your number 1 investment out there getting killed then are questions that need to be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, bigboi said: Turner was a awful oline coach in Miami and I was willing to give him a chance,but when you have your number 1 investment out there getting killed then are questions that need to be asked. Yeah like why is he still here?.... Theyre regressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Yeah like why is he still here?.... Theyre regressing... Good question,and I wise I had answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 hours ago, bigboi said: Good question,and I wise I had answer. The answer is obvious. They're being Bengalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 5:00 PM, SmoothD said: The top 3 won't be Bengals next year Cap hits on Carlos and Geno are too high to cut them, they would have to trade them. Carlos - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/carlos-dunlap-6562/ Geno - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/geno-atkins-6628/ I think both play out their contracts here and we move on. This is the year to really spend all the draft picks on both lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 15 hours ago, bigboi said: Turner was a awful oline coach in Miami and I was willing to give him a chance,but when you have your number 1 investment out there getting killed then are questions that need to be asked. I don't get it either, he's got a terrible reputation & seems to suck at his job. I don't recall any deep friendship being mentioned between him & Taylor. Not that it would be a good excuse but otherwise no idea why the Turner/Hart tandem is some untouchable icon of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Cap hits on Carlos and Geno are too high to cut them, they would have to trade them. Carlos - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/carlos-dunlap-6562/ Geno - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/geno-atkins-6628/ I think both play out their contracts here and we move on. This is the year to really spend all the draft picks on both lines. They can certainly be cut if not traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, sparky151 said: They can certainly be cut if not traded. Carlos maybe as he would be a little over 2 mill in dead money next year, but Geno not likely as he would be 5.2 in dead money next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I don't get it either, he's got a terrible reputation & seems to suck at his job. I don't recall any deep friendship being mentioned between him & Taylor. Not that it would be a good excuse but otherwise no idea why the Turner/Hart tandem is some untouchable icon of the franchise. It's more like family, Turner and Mike Sherman go back decades. Mike Sherman gave Taylor his first coaching job and is also his father in law. Turner has somehow been portrayed as a victim of political correctness going overboard instead of hack with poor communication skills. It seems like Taylor feels indebted to Turner, there's definitely unwavering loyalty, but it's hurting his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: Cap hits on Carlos and Geno are too high to cut them, they would have to trade them. Carlos - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/carlos-dunlap-6562/ Geno - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/geno-atkins-6628/ I think both play out their contracts here and we move on. This is the year to really spend all the draft picks on both lines. You need to look at the Dead Cap column not the Cap Hit Column. For example, if we cut Dunlap after this season, the dead cap money is only $2.250M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: You need to look at the Dead Cap column not the Cap Hit Column. For example, if we cut Dunlap after this season, the dead cap money is only $2.250M 55 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Carlos maybe as he would be a little over 2 mill in dead money next year, but Geno not likely as he would be 5.2 in dead money next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Carlos maybe as he would be a little over 2 mill in dead money next year, but Geno not likely as he would be 5.2 in dead money next year. Dead money is irrelevant. It's far worse to keep someone around who can't play up to their contract than cut them and save money while giving someone else a chance. With both Atkins and Dunlap, the savings far exceed the dead money calculation. If the Bengals think Lawson is a better player than Dunlap, they can probably get him extended for the same amount they'd save by cutting Dunlap. Keeping Carlos in that situation would be a double error since it would mean letting the better player walk while overpaying the lesser player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Dead money is irrelevant. It's far worse to keep someone around who can't play up to their contract than cut them and save money while giving someone else a chance. With both Atkins and Dunlap, the savings far exceed the dead money calculation. If the Bengals think Lawson is a better player than Dunlap, they can probably get him extended for the same amount they'd save by cutting Dunlap. Keeping Carlos in that situation would be a double error since it would mean letting the better player walk while overpaying the lesser player. What makes sense and how the Bengals like to treat players who they still owe money to are two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 But that's the point. The Bengals don't owe Atkins and Dunlap money beyond their salaries. The so called "dead money" is simply the amount of previously paid signing bonus that counts on the cap. It counts the same whether or not they are on the team. What changes is their annual pay if they are cut, the money is saved. If they are on the team, the money is earned (at least in theory). So the team needs to decide if Atkins and Dunlap are worth their high salaries. If not, they should be released or traded with the team spending the money elsewhere and trying to find replacements for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Lil' Zac has done it now, he pissed off Wink. “He knew what it was because it was awful quiet when I yelled it across the field,” Martindale said. “There are some people that take that as a victory. We’ll see. We'll have plenty to talk about the next time we play them.” https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/10/16/bengals-ravens-field-goal-don-martindale-comments Wow...not only did Wink kick his ass, he called him out afterwards. Zac is looking a little soft here, just like his offense. Wink basically gave Taylor an atomic wedgie, took his lunch money, and gave him swirlie for good measure. Taylor has to step it up, you can't follow up the first win of the season with that dud of a performance that was basically shut out but save for a late game field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Zac Shula is 3-17-1, he is doing just fine. All part of the Master Plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Lil' Zac has done it now, he pissed off Wink. “He knew what it was because it was awful quiet when I yelled it across the field,” Martindale said. “There are some people that take that as a victory. We’ll see. We'll have plenty to talk about the next time we play them.” https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/10/16/bengals-ravens-field-goal-don-martindale-comments Wow...not only did Wink kick his ass, he called him out afterwards. Zac is looking a little soft here, just like his offense. Wink basically gave Taylor an atomic wedgie, took his lunch money, and gave him swirlie for good measure. Taylor has to step it up, you can't follow up the first win of the season with that dud of a performance that was basically shut out but save for a late game field goal. The only response to Wink should be "if you want the shutout, stop us". If they were worthy of the shutout the Bengals wouldn't have been a 38-yard field goal away. Just as much as they wanted the shutout as a "badge of pride", no team wants to get shut out and grant them that badge. Too bad for Wink, hopefully you have some tears left the next time people don't roll over for you (even if they did for 98% of the game up to that point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluoz Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Zac Shula is 3-17-1, he is doing just fine. All part of the Master Plan. The Master Plan was to give fans hope again after Marvin's welcome had worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 The Master Plan is - We make as much as we can each year with no thought of team/brand investment and if we win a few games along the way that is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, HavePityPlease said: The only response to Wink should be "if you want the shutout, stop us". If they were worthy of the shutout the Bengals wouldn't have been a 38-yard field goal away. Just as much as they wanted the shutout as a "badge of pride", no team wants to get shut out and grant them that badge. Too bad for Wink, hopefully you have some tears left the next time people don't roll over for you (even if they did for 98% of the game up to that point). True, but the NFL coaches have a fraternity and code of conduct. This is the type of thing that might make it harder to recruit a quality assistant coach in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Wink is a good DC, but that move was low class IMHO. Except that from one of the Ryan brothers (or father). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Taylor is in over his head but he was right to kick the FG and avoid the shutout. Martindale can go pound sand. It's just a cheap attempt to fire up his guys for the rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Kinda stupid to think Harbaugh wouldn’t have done the exact same thing if the situation were reversed. No HC wants to be shutout. This is all a bunch of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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