saphead Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 What a little non-pass catching bitch. Keep cleaning house!!! It’s not a secret that i have requested a trade. Trade me if this how y’all feel. I’m healthy and eager to play. I know I can be productive. It’s hard to love something when your not actually participating in it. Believe me, its not football that i don’t like. https://twitter.com/fox19jeremy/status/1322252294377951233 https://twitter.com/WatchJRoss/status/1322268384118083586?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 problem is, john ross, someone has TO WANT TO TRADE FOR YOU... to trade you... its no secret they tried to trade your ass already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 A team would simply need to take over the guaranteed remaining game checks he is owed. They could make a deal to pay part of the game checks. He is owed about $175,000 a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Which is about $174,999 too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 He “hasn’t caught” their attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Does anybody remember the first play that went to him as a Bengal? It was then that we should have all realized what a total bum this guy was going to be. 1 4:46 1 15 HTX 44 John Ross left end for 12 yards (tackle by Kareem Jackson). John Ross fumbles (forced by Kareem Jackson), recovered by Jadeveon Clowney at HOU-31 and returned for 49 yards (tackle by Andy Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 hours ago, GoBengals said: problem is, john ross, someone has TO WANT TO TRADE FOR YOU... to trade you... its no secret they tried to trade your ass already. That's not true per Adam Caplan, here's his tweet... #Bengals stance on John Ross has been the same since day one: They'd rather let him walk in March than get something for him now. There are teams interested in him, but they have not been willing to move him. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/10/30/21542583/bengals-trade-rumors-john-ross-claps-back-at-reporter-over-inactive-status The Bengals are playing mind games with Ross and the coaching staff is using him as a tool to deflect the critism that is the results of their short comings. Everyone is shitting on Ross but everyone gets a mulligan except him. It's personal with Ross and Taylor, they should just trade him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRAPradio Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 30 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: That's not true per Adam Caplan, here's his tweet... #Bengals stance on John Ross has been the same since day one: They'd rather let him walk in March than get something for him now. There are teams interested in him, but they have not been willing to move him. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/10/30/21542583/bengals-trade-rumors-john-ross-claps-back-at-reporter-over-inactive-status The Bengals are playing mind games with Ross and the coaching staff is using him as a tool to deflect the critism that is the results of their short comings. Everyone is shitting on Ross but everyone gets a mulligan except him. It's personal with Ross and Taylor, they should just trade him and move on. If they hold onto him, won't they get a compensatory pick next year (assuming he signs a contract somewhere else)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: That's not true per Adam Caplan, here's his tweet... #Bengals stance on John Ross has been the same since day one: They'd rather let him walk in March than get something for him now. There are teams interested in him, but they have not been willing to move him. https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/10/30/21542583/bengals-trade-rumors-john-ross-claps-back-at-reporter-over-inactive-status The Bengals are playing mind games with Ross and the coaching staff is using him as a tool to deflect the critism that is the results of their short comings. Everyone is shitting on Ross but everyone gets a mulligan except him. It's personal with Ross and Taylor, they should just trade him and move on. Are we talking about the same #9 pick John Ross that in his first 2 seasons under Marvin Lewis was targeted 60 times and caught 21 passes for 219 yards? A 35% catch rate with 13 yards per game? That guy? Didn’t Joe Burrow pass for more yards in his SECOND ever game? Mulligan my ass. The reality is this: It took over 2 years for Ross to learn the playbook and run correct ROUTE DEPTH. He is terrible at route depth. That is why he is useless throwing slants and crossing patterns to, he never breaks when he is supposed to. Andy and now Joe never had time to let guys run the routes the way they want, no NFL QB really does. Progressions are based on pre snap reads and occur in sequence not simultaneously. Our QB can’t wait an extra second on John Ross to make his cut when he wants to or look up and see he already did. This was the EXACT reason Chad was a bust in New England, he freelanced his routes and Brady and Bill were not having any of it. At Washington he caught simple dump passes or long rainbows and used his speed against shitty slow PAC 10 DBs to amass pretty stats. In the NFL you throw dump passes to RBs not WRs and every DB has speed. In comes Zac, he brings a need playbook and Ross is screwed for another 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, SF2 said: Are we talking about the same #9 pick John Ross that in his first 2 seasons under Marvin Lewis was targeted 60 times and caught 21 passes for 219 yards? A 35% catch rate with 13 yards per game? That guy? Didn’t Joe Burrow pass for more yards in his SECOND ever game? Mulligan my ass. The reality is this: It took over 2 years for Ross to learn the playbook and run correct ROUTE DEPTH. He is terrible at route depth. That is why he is useless throwing slants and crossing patterns to, he never breaks when he is supposed to. Andy and now Joe never had time to let guys run the routes the way they want, no NFL QB really does. Progressions are based on pre snap reads and occur in sequence not simultaneously. Our QB can’t wait an extra second on John Ross to make his cut when he wants to or look up and see he already did. This was the EXACT reason Chad was a bust in New England, he freelanced his routes and Brady and Bill were not having any of it. At Washington he caught simple dump passes or long rainbows and used his speed against shitty slow PAC 10 DBs to amass pretty stats. In the NFL you throw dump passes to RBs not WRs and every DB has speed. In comes Zac, he brings a need playbook and Ross is screwed for another 2 years. Good analysis, but his shortcomings obviously should have been picked up by good scouting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 54 minutes ago, SF2 said: Are we talking about the same #9 pick John Ross that in his first 2 seasons under Marvin Lewis was targeted 60 times and caught 21 passes for 219 yards? A 35% catch rate with 13 yards per game? That guy? Didn’t Joe Burrow pass for more yards in his SECOND ever game? Mulligan my ass. The reality is this: It took over 2 years for Ross to learn the playbook and run correct ROUTE DEPTH. He is terrible at route depth. That is why he is useless throwing slants and crossing patterns to, he never breaks when he is supposed to. Andy and now Joe never had time to let guys run the routes the way they want, no NFL QB really does. Progressions are based on pre snap reads and occur in sequence not simultaneously. Our QB can’t wait an extra second on John Ross to make his cut when he wants to or look up and see he already did. This was the EXACT reason Chad was a bust in New England, he freelanced his routes and Brady and Bill were not having any of it. At Washington he caught simple dump passes or long rainbows and used his speed against shitty slow PAC 10 DBs to amass pretty stats. In the NFL you throw dump passes to RBs not WRs and every DB has speed. In comes Zac, he brings a need playbook and Ross is screwed for another 2 years. Lolz.... when did you become a WR coach. How do you know how long it took Ross to learn the playbook? I never recall that being a knock on Ross, he Here's the reality. When Ross was drafted, he was injured (reoccurring theme) and the coaching staff was not on the page as the front office with his selection. Marvin never wanted Ross and did everything he could to let everyone know every time he got. He was looking for a reason to fuck over Ross and when Ross made a rookie mistake on his first play he never saw the field again. In 2018, his second year, he had 7 TD's on 21 receptions but struggled with a poor offensive line, shaky QB play, and injuries....same for 2019 Long story short the Bengals never should have drafted Ross. They didn't properly vet him and had no real plan on how to use him..as you mentioned a deep threat without an o line to block is useless. At this point they should just cut their losses move on. All organizations miss on key hires but the good ones identify the mistake that lead to the bad hire and aren't afraid to make the changes needed to move forward. Considering how there was no offseason or preseason one would think the coaching staff would let him play himself into shape and back into rythm like every other player in the NFL. Every player on this team has had a bad play or two but they have been given opportunities to redeem themselves any play... except for Ross..it seems personal at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Good analysis, but his shortcomings obviously should have been picked up by good scouting There were no scouts involved, Ross was a Mike Brown pick all the way no doubt about it. Why do you think Marv was always so hard on him? He wanted nothing whatsoever to do with that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 John: Don’t let the door 🚪 hit you where the Good Lord split you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, spicoli said: There were no scouts involved, Ross was a Mike Brown pick all the way no doubt about it. Why do you think Marv was always so hard on him? He wanted nothing whatsoever to do with that pick. Does seem that way doesn't it. Since we know Merv and Brown talked every day you can just imagine the conversations on Ross..lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 teams having interest doesnt mean they have offered anything, maybe teams with interest want Ross and a 7th round pick swap? or ross and our 6th for 2 7ths. teams having interest doesnt mean anything. if theyre interested in trying to screw us. while its not impossible the bengals want a 5th or something for him, the dunlap trade i feel kinda proves they arent over valueing guys right now. or maybe teams are interested and want us to pay half his salary and offered a 6th? dunlap sorta prove any real interest and we'd take it. id imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 hours ago, PatternMaster said: All organizations miss on key hires but the good ones identify the mistake that lead to the bad hire and aren't afraid to make the changes needed to move forward. Opinions may vary on who this applies to but generally speaking that's the state of the franchise in a nutshell. Of course, a big part of the problem there is that it's ownership making the mistakes and they obviously aren't going to fire themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 23 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Lolz.... when did you become a WR coach. How do you know how long it took Ross to learn the playbook? I never recall that being a knock on Ross, he Here's the reality. When Ross was drafted, he was injured (reoccurring theme) and the coaching staff was not on the page as the front office with his selection. Marvin never wanted Ross and did everything he could to let everyone know every time he got. He was looking for a reason to fuck over Ross and when Ross made a rookie mistake on his first play he never saw the field again. In 2018, his second year, he had 7 TD's on 21 receptions but struggled with a poor offensive line, shaky QB play, and injuries....same for 2019 Long story short the Bengals never should have drafted Ross. They didn't properly vet him and had no real plan on how to use him..as you mentioned a deep threat without an o line to block is useless. At this point they should just cut their losses move on. All organizations miss on key hires but the good ones identify the mistake that lead to the bad hire and aren't afraid to make the changes needed to move forward. Considering how there was no offseason or preseason one would think the coaching staff would let him play himself into shape and back into rythm like every other player in the NFL. Every player on this team has had a bad play or two but they have been given opportunities to redeem themselves any play... except for Ross..it seems personal at this point. Coaches don’t screw over players that can help them. Ross wasn’t in Marvin’s doghouse because he didn’t want him, he was there because he couldn’t run the plays properly. That is not a secret. It isn’t personal, the guy sucks in practice and sucks in games, that is why he is not playing. Two different coaches both came to the same conclusion. In 2018 they figured out a good play for him at the goal line so he became a 1 trick pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 19 hours ago, SF2 said: Are we talking about the same #9 pick John Ross that in his first 2 seasons under Marvin Lewis was targeted 60 times and caught 21 passes for 219 yards? A 35% catch rate with 13 yards per game? That guy? Didn’t Joe Burrow pass for more yards in his SECOND ever game? Mulligan my ass. The reality is this: It took over 2 years for Ross to learn the playbook and run correct ROUTE DEPTH. He is terrible at route depth. That is why he is useless throwing slants and crossing patterns to, he never breaks when he is supposed to. Andy and now Joe never had time to let guys run the routes the way they want, no NFL QB really does. Progressions are based on pre snap reads and occur in sequence not simultaneously. Our QB can’t wait an extra second on John Ross to make his cut when he wants to or look up and see he already did. This was the EXACT reason Chad was a bust in New England, he freelanced his routes and Brady and Bill were not having any of it. At Washington he caught simple dump passes or long rainbows and used his speed against shitty slow PAC 10 DBs to amass pretty stats. In the NFL you throw dump passes to RBs not WRs and every DB has speed. In comes Zac, he brings a need playbook and Ross is screwed for another 2 years. How does any of that address the fast that there are supposedly suitors for Ross, but the Bengals plan to let him walk for nothing in March instead of give in to his trade demand? I don't care if Ross is the devil himself, if you can get a 7th round pick for him now, do it. If it wasn't Mike Brown, I'd assume that any claim that Ross could be traded and isn't just out of stubbornness is insane. But this wouldn't be the first time Mike Brown has dug in his heels and refused to make a deal that benefits him just to make sure guys know there's no easy way off the Bengals. Marvin practically had to BEG him to take 2 firsts for Carson. If we have no plans to use the guy, trade him. If Mike Brown is just digging in his heels (again) to be obstinate, then damn right Ross might as well be public about it. You criticize players for not keeping it in house, but Mike Brown has a history of being "Nah, F-you. I'll bench you and never play you or trade you." Go talk to your agent all you like. Yet another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said: How does any of that address the fast that there are supposedly suitors for Ross, but the Bengals plan to let him walk for nothing in March instead of give in to his trade demand? I don't care if Ross is the devil himself, if you can get a 7th round pick for him now, do it. If it wasn't Mike Brown, I'd assume that any claim that Ross could be traded and isn't just out of stubbornness is insane. But this wouldn't be the first time Mike Brown has dug in his heels and refused to make a deal that benefits him just to make sure guys know there's no easy way off the Bengals. Marvin practically had to BEG him to take 2 firsts for Carson. If we have no plans to use the guy, trade him. If Mike Brown is just digging in his heels (again) to be obstinate, then damn right Ross might as well be public about it. You criticize players for not keeping it in house, but Mike Brown has a history of being "Nah, F-you. I'll bench you and never play you or trade you." Go talk to your agent all you like. Yet another example. Supposed suitors who are offering nothing are not suitors. A 7th round pick is nothing more than and UDFA 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 Since four inactive are already set for today, I wonder if Ross will at least suit up and get in on a play or two if he does? We'll see in about 5 1/2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 marv was a "earn you time on the field" coach, which i can appreciate. Ross first touch was a screen that he fumbled and hurt himself on.. once he earned more time, he dropped passes. he never stopped dropping passes. come into this year... dropped TD pass. juggled pass on sideline for a first down.. gotta cut the cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, GoBengals said: Ross first touch was a screen that he fumbled and hurt himself on.. John Ross rookie highlight reel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 8 hours ago, SF2 said: Supposed suitors who are offering nothing are not suitors. A 7th round pick is nothing more than and UDFA 2 years ago. Yeah, but nothing is literally nothing. Just Mike Brown refusing to trade a guy 'cause he's an asshole. Does that make the team better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 22 hours ago, SF2 said: Coaches don’t screw over players that can help them. Ross wasn’t in Marvin’s doghouse because he didn’t want him, he was there because he couldn’t run the plays properly. That is not a secret. It isn’t personal, the guy sucks in practice and sucks in games, that is why he is not playing. Two different coaches both came to the same conclusion. In 2018 they figured out a good play for him at the goal line so he became a 1 trick pony. We'll see soon enough, he won't be here much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 7 hours ago, High School Harry said: Since four inactive are already set for today, I wonder if Ross will at least suit up and get in on a play or two if he does? We'll see in about 5 1/2 hours. He was ruled out with an illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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