1/2 season QB

[MichaelWeston]

Outside of the coaching decision, one of the most interesting offseason decisions should be what do we do about backup QB. I use the term should because the team has been ignoring the position for years to an obvious fault. Trotting out Allen and Finley just hasn't cut it. 

 

Next year we will be an interesting destination for someone looking to get snaps. While they won't get the future, whoever joins the team will be the focal point for the offseason and possibly up to 8 games if not more. That has to be enticing for a young guy who wants to still be a starter in this league or a seasoned veteran who would like to close out a career with some snaps. 

 

Here are the most likely guys broken down in 3 categories. Young guys looking to revitalize careers, veterans looking for the last snaps of their careers. and a group of guys who could start and then be a longer term backup option for Burrow. 

 

Who would you like to see us land?

 

Revitalize
Tribusky, Mitch	2021	26	62% 1069 10-5	46/47
Mariota, Marcus	2022; 2021 $10,100,000 CC	27	DNP	61/63
Haskins, Dwayne	2023; 2021 $1,805,601	23	61% 939 4-3	11/13
Jones, Daniel	2023; 2021 $3,018,096	23	63.2% 2335 8-9	23/24
Glennon, Mike	2021	30	62.3% 515 3-2	24/31
Brissett, Jacoby	2021	28	28.6% 17 0-0	32/45
Minshew, Gardner	2023; 2021 $850,000	24	65.9% 1855 13-5	19/21
Winston, Jameis	2021	26	63.6% 75 0-0	70/75
Hundley, Brett	2021	27	DNP	9/18
Gabbert, Blaine	2021	31	DNP	48/59
Last Chance
Fitzpatrick, Ryan	2021	38	68% 1909 12-8	146/164
Flacco, Joe	2021	35	55.2% 864 6-3	175/176
Long term backup
Mullens, Nick	2021	25	67.3% 1958 9-9	14/17
Beathard, CJ	2021	27	60.5% 232 1-0	10/16
McCarron, AJ	2021	30	DNP	4/15
Taylor, Tyrod	2021	31	53.3% 202 0-0	47/72

 

For reference here are all of the QB situations in the league. I broke them down by color. Green=likely settled, Aqua=Probably settled, Yellow=Maybe looking, Red=potential fits for next year

 

AFC East
	QB	17	Allen, Josh 18/1	BARKLEY, MATT SF18	Fromm, Jake 20/5
	QB	1	Tagovailoa, Tua 20/1	FITZPATRICK, RYAN U/TB
	QB	1	NEWTON, CAM CC/Car	Stidham, Jarrett 19/4	HOYER, BRIAN CC/Ind
	QB	14	Pick Number 1	Darnold, Sam 18/1	Morgan, James 20/4	FLACCO, JOE CC/Den
AFC North
	QB	8	Jackson, Lamar 18/1	McSorley, Trace 19/6
	QB	8	Joe Burrow	Allen, Brandon SF20	Finley, Ryan 19/4
	QB	6	Mayfield, Baker 18/1	KEENUM, CASE U/Was
	QB	7	ROETHLISBERGER, BEN 04/1	Rudolph, Mason 18/3	Dobbs, Joshua W/Jax
AFC South
	QB	4	Watson, Deshaun 17/1	MCCARRON, AJ CC/Oak	MCCOWN, JOSH P/Phi
	QB	17	RIVERS, PHILIP U/LAC	Brissett, Jacoby T/NE	Eason, Jacob 20/4
	QB	2	Pick Number 2	GLENNON, MIKE U/LV	Luton, Jake 20/6	Minshew II, Gardner 19/6
	QB	17	TANNEHILL, RYAN T/Mia	Woodside, Logan SF18
AFC West
	QB	3	Lock, Drew 19/2	Rypien, Brett CF19
	QB	15	Mahomes II, Patrick 17/1	HENNE, CHAD U/Jax
	QB	4	Carr, Derek 14/2	Mariota, Marcus U/Ten	Peterman, Nathan SF18
	QB	10	Herbert, Justin 20/1	TAYLOR, TYROD U/Cle	Stick, Easton 19/5
NFC East
	QB	14	Prescott, Dak	DALTON, ANDY SF20/EX	Gilbert, Garrett P/Cle	DiNucci, Ben 20/7
	QB	8		Jones, Daniel 19/1	MCCOY, COLT U/Was
	QB	2	Wentz, Carson 16/1	Hurts, Jalen 20/2	Sudfeld, Nate SF17
	QB	11		SMITH, ALEX T/KC	Haskins, Dwayne 19/1
NFC North
	QB	10		Trubisky, Mitch 17/1	FOLES, NICK T/Jax
	QB	9	STAFFORD, MATTHEW 09/1	DANIEL, CHASE U/Chi	Blough, David T/Cle
	QB	12	RODGERS, AARON 05/1	Boyle, Tim CF18	Love, Jordan 20/1
	QB	8	COUSINS, KIRK U/Was	Mannion, Sean U/LAR
NFC South
	QB	2	RYAN, MATT 08/1	SCHAUB, MATT U/Bal
	QB	5	Bridgewater, Teddy U/NO	Walker, P.J. SF20	Grier, Will 19/3
	QB	7	Brees, Drew	HILL, TAYSOM W/GB	Winston, Jameis U/TB	Siemian, Trevor P/Ten
	QB	12	BRADY, TOM U/NE	GABBERT, BLAINE SF19	GRIFFIN, RYAN W/NO
NFC West
	QB	1	Murray, Kyler 19/1	Streveler, Chris SF20	Hundley, Brett U/Sea
	QB	16	Goff, Jared 16/1	Wolford, John SF19
	QB	4	Garrapalo, Jimmy	Mullens, Nick CF17	Beathard, CJ 17/3
	QB	3	WILSON, RUSSELL 12/3	SMITH, GENO U/LAC

[HavePityPlease]

Thanks for once again providing a very thorough analysis Michael, you always bring the goods. 👍

 

From this listing my eye goes straight to Fitzpatrick.  Call it "the devil you know" and maybe that's part of it, but IMO he has always been the perfect backup if you want a guy who is confident, liked by his teammates, can win you a game or two, but... is just bad enough that you shouldn't really have a controversy over whether he deserves to be the starter (or in other words, nobody is going to bat an eye if you're constantly trying to upgrade).  Yes he's been part of controversies in the past but I've always chalked that up to people being fooled by him overachieving for a short span - and he always ends up proving he shouldn't start in the end.

 

Other names I'd be interested in - McCarron (again, devil you know and he likely has stopped dreaming of becoming a starter), and maybe Mariota if you really want to go with a guy who might be revitalized as you say, doesn't seem to be overly selfish, and could be trade bait late in a season.

 

Hard no's:  Blaine Gabbert (hated him as a prospect, hate him as a failed pro), Winston (I know some people like him on here but I don't think a turnover machine is a good choice as a backup), Flacco (except for one magical winter the dude is a choke artist and just not a guy people rally around), any of the other "revitalization projects" - I just think they'd all want to start and that's simply not helpful to Joe and not realistic for them.  I'm a big proponent of competition breeding maximum performance but Joe is not a guy that needs any outside motivation, which is fantastic and really simplifies what you need as a backup.

 

Edit:  Forgot a hard no:  Geno Smith.  He just sucks.

 

 

[Sea Ray]

My first choice would be Andy Dalton but my guess is that Dallas will try to keep him and that he'll want to stay but if he's available I'd go there. Choice #2 is Gardner Minshew. I think he'd be an outstanding choice as a backup and can run the same offense as Burrow

[I_C_Deadpeople]

Given the lack of talent and depth on this team, which will also be the case next year - it would seem to me the most important thing we need in a backup is someone JB can learn from and bounce things off. If JB is not playing, it will not really matter who is. 

[sparky151]

Isn't Josh Rosen still in the league? He'd be another guy for the list.

 

Daniel Jones will be starting for the Giants next year. Dwayne Haskins might be starting in Washington but will be on the team in any event. 

 

I agree it would be good to have a veteran mentor with at least several dozen starts for Burrow. Fitzpatrick would be a fine choice. 

[MichaelWeston]

16 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Isn't Josh Rosen still in the league? He'd be another guy for the list.

 

Daniel Jones will be starting for the Giants next year. Dwayne Haskins might be starting in Washington but will be on the team in any event. 

 

I agree it would be good to have a veteran mentor with at least several dozen starts for Burrow. Fitzpatrick would be a fine choice. 

Rosen is a great name to add. Didn't add Dalton because to me it doesn't make sense for either party. 

 

I think it's important to note that the player may play 1/2 to the entire season. 

 

I think Haskins is out in Washington. I was trying to see if him and Burrow were buddies. He might make the most sense if so. 

 

Jones is a big question mark too but I would bet he is back in NYG. 

[claptonrocks]

Why would Jax let Minshew leave..

Solid vet backup to Justin Fields next year..like to have him though..

Fitzy is really old but maybe one year..

Mariotta might be a decent choice..

 

 

 

[I_C_Deadpeople]

1 minute ago, claptonrocks said:

Why would Jax let Minshew leave..

Solid vet backup to Justin Fields next year..like to have him though..

Fitzy is really old but maybe one year..

Mariotta might be a decent choice..

 

 

 

There was chatter today that Mariotta may be the LV starter next year if Gruden tires of Carr

[claptonrocks]

6 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

There was chatter today that Mariotta may be the LV starter next year if Gruden tires of Carr

I dont lnow if Mariotta would 

put up numbers like Carr but who knows..

I dont get the negativity about Carr.

Their 7-5 on the season..

What am i missing about Carr??

 

[UncleEarl]

Fitzpatrick or Flacco. Both have shown they can play well enough to win games with their arms at some point. A lot of the other guys are just Allen in different clothing. 
 

With Burrow coming off surgery it would be prudent to have a backup you would be OK playing more than the odd game.  Both would take a short term deal which is also good. 

[claptonrocks]

2 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

Fitzpatrick or Flacco. Both have shown they can play well enough to win games with their arms at some point. A lot of the other guys are just Allen in different clothing. 
 

With Burrow coming off surgery it would be prudent to have a backup you would be OK playing more than the odd game.  Both would take a short term deal which is also good. 

No to Flacco..hes pitiful now..

 

[MichaelWeston]

1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Why would Jax let Minshew leave..

Solid vet backup to Justin Fields next year..like to have him though..

Fitzy is really old but maybe one year..

Mariotta might be a decent choice..

 

 

 

Often when you give a guy a chance to start and then replace him you move on so there isn't a fracture in the locker room. 

[MichaelWeston]

1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

There was chatter today that Mariotta may be the LV starter next year if Gruden tires of Carr

Really, I thought Carr looked good this year?

[claptonrocks]

21 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Really, I thought Carr looked good this year?

Agree...

[claptonrocks]

23 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Often when you give a guy a chance to start and then replace him you move on so there isn't a fracture in the locker room. 

I can see that but arent the Jags

allready fractured???

[I_C_Deadpeople]

1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said:

Really, I thought Carr looked good this year?

He has for the most part. The chatter was about him and the Raiders being good but Gruden (being unpredictable) may conclude Carr can make them competitive but not more than  that. Kind of the Alex Smith situation in KC. 

[MichaelWeston]

Some additional thoughts

 

Tribusky, Mitch--Tribusky might be the one. He will be a free agent and free to go where ever he wishes. He is from Ohio. He might relish the opportunity to get an entire offseason of 1st team reps and then 3-12 games or so. 

 

Mariota, Marcus--Mariota would be a prize. I looked at his stats before this year and he was actually very good.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was back as the Raiders starter or ended up as a cap casualty and then starting for the Bears or Redskins. He is probably the top guy in the potential free agent group. 

 

Haskins, Dwayne--Do they drop him? Is he available through trade? I wouldn't trade for him with the rest of the guys available but he might be a perfect fit. He and Burrow were teammates and although early reports were they didn't like each other it seems that now they are cool. If you did choose to trade for him you have him for 2 years. That means if he shines in 8 games or so you might be able to trade him for his 4th year to a QB needy team. 

 

Jones, Daniel--I posted this in two different forums and in both people said this was not a guy they would likely move on from. I can see it as well but again a perfect guy. These top 4 really are revitalization projects where you are taking a guy who their team gave up on and giving him an offseason and half a year to showcase they were wrong. 

 

Glennon, Mike--Never is given a full chance. He is irrationally one of my favorites and I want him here as the long term backup to Burrow and hope that the enticement to start gets it done. His journey is crazy. Russell Wilson ended up in Wisconsin because Glennon was taking over. Then he ended up in Tampa where he had great numbers but got beaten out by Winston. Signed a huge deal in Chicago and they drafted Tribusky. He goes to Arizona and Oakland and then lands in Jacksonville this year. Minshew flakes out and Glennon has had 2 quality starts in a row. His stats have always been decent....but teams just want to move on. He is 31 now and likely won't get another chance

 

Brissett, Jacoby--Brissett might be back as an option in NE. He had several good years and is still pretty young. 

 

Minshew, Gardner--Minshew could be back as a backup in Jacksonville to Fields or whomever they draft. Or it's possible with a likely new coaching staff they sweep out the old starter. He would be a very cheap option. I am not sure how his personality would mesh with Burrow. 

 

Winston, Jameis--This is a no go for me. I do think he might make it back to starting but I am not sure he fits with Burrow either. 

 

Hundley, Brett--I have always liked Hundley because of his athleticism. He is only 27 so might have some upside. 

 

Gabbert, Blaine--An interesting long term backup type but only 31

 

Fitzpatrick, Ryan--This is a pretty big dream guy for many. Super professional and lots of high quality starts. Would help burrow and the team. 

 

Flacco, Joe--Already 35 and has had some good stats with the Jets but not enough. 

     

Mullens, Nick--Mullens will be an unrestricted free agent. He has a decent number of starts and at times looks good. And he is only 25

 

Beathard, CJ--I have a feeling Beathard will be on the short list. He looked really good when he played earlier this year and he is technically 3rd string. He has 10 starts

 

McCarron, AJ--This is an interesting one. Tell me you couldn't see our front office trying to prove they made a good pick by bringing back a known commodity. 

 

Taylor, Tyrod--Taylor could be great as well. At the very least he is a veteran leader that can start some games for you. 

[claptonrocks]

16 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Some additional thoughts

 

Tribusky, Mitch--Tribusky might be the one. He will be a free agent and free to go where ever he wishes. He is from Ohio. He might relish the opportunity to get an entire offseason of 1st team reps and then 3-12 games or so. 

 

Mariota, Marcus--Mariota would be a prize. I looked at his stats before this year and he was actually very good.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was back as the Raiders starter or ended up as a cap casualty and then starting for the Bears or Redskins. He is probably the top guy in the potential free agent group. 

 

Haskins, Dwayne--Do they drop him? Is he available through trade? I wouldn't trade for him with the rest of the guys available but he might be a perfect fit. He and Burrow were teammates and although early reports were they didn't like each other it seems that now they are cool. If you did choose to trade for him you have him for 2 years. That means if he shines in 8 games or so you might be able to trade him for his 4th year to a QB needy team. 

 

Jones, Daniel--I posted this in two different forums and in both people said this was not a guy they would likely move on from. I can see it as well but again a perfect guy. These top 4 really are revitalization projects where you are taking a guy who their team gave up on and giving him an offseason and half a year to showcase they were wrong. 

 

Glennon, Mike--Never is given a full chance. He is irrationally one of my favorites and I want him here as the long term backup to Burrow and hope that the enticement to start gets it done. His journey is crazy. Russell Wilson ended up in Wisconsin because Glennon was taking over. Then he ended up in Tampa where he had great numbers but got beaten out by Winston. Signed a huge deal in Chicago and they drafted Tribusky. He goes to Arizona and Oakland and then lands in Jacksonville this year. Minshew flakes out and Glennon has had 2 quality starts in a row. His stats have always been decent....but teams just want to move on. He is 31 now and likely won't get another chance

 

Brissett, Jacoby--Brissett might be back as an option in NE. He had several good years and is still pretty young. 

 

Minshew, Gardner--Minshew could be back as a backup in Jacksonville to Fields or whomever they draft. Or it's possible with a likely new coaching staff they sweep out the old starter. He would be a very cheap option. I am not sure how his personality would mesh with Burrow. 

 

Winston, Jameis--This is a no go for me. I do think he might make it back to starting but I am not sure he fits with Burrow either. 

 

Hundley, Brett--I have always liked Hundley because of his athleticism. He is only 27 so might have some upside. 

 

Gabbert, Blaine--An interesting long term backup type but only 31

 

Fitzpatrick, Ryan--This is a pretty big dream guy for many. Super professional and lots of high quality starts. Would help burrow and the team. 

 

Flacco, Joe--Already 35 and has had some good stats with the Jets but not enough. 

     

Mullens, Nick--Mullens will be an unrestricted free agent. He has a decent number of starts and at times looks good. And he is only 25

 

Beathard, CJ--I have a feeling Beathard will be on the short list. He looked really good when he played earlier this year and he is technically 3rd string. He has 10 starts

 

McCarron, AJ--This is an interesting one. Tell me you couldn't see our front office trying to prove they made a good pick by bringing back a known commodity. 

 

Taylor, Tyrod--Taylor could be great as well. At the very least he is a veteran leader that can start some games for you. 

You may be right about Minshew and JB...

Id take Fitzpatrick first with Mariotta as second choice..

Tks for sharing all the info..

Very impressive..

[|High School Harry|]

14 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

Some additional thoughts

 

Tribusky, Mitch--Tribusky might be the one. He will be a free agent and free to go where ever he wishes. He is from Ohio. He might relish the opportunity to get an entire offseason of 1st team reps and then 3-12 games or so. 

 

Mariota, Marcus--Mariota would be a prize. I looked at his stats before this year and he was actually very good.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was back as the Raiders starter or ended up as a cap casualty and then starting for the Bears or Redskins. He is probably the top guy in the potential free agent group. 

 

Haskins, Dwayne--Do they drop him? Is he available through trade? I wouldn't trade for him with the rest of the guys available but he might be a perfect fit. He and Burrow were teammates and although early reports were they didn't like each other it seems that now they are cool. If you did choose to trade for him you have him for 2 years. That means if he shines in 8 games or so you might be able to trade him for his 4th year to a QB needy team. 

 

Jones, Daniel--I posted this in two different forums and in both people said this was not a guy they would likely move on from. I can see it as well but again a perfect guy. These top 4 really are revitalization projects where you are taking a guy who their team gave up on and giving him an offseason and half a year to showcase they were wrong. 

 

Glennon, Mike--Never is given a full chance. He is irrationally one of my favorites and I want him here as the long term backup to Burrow and hope that the enticement to start gets it done. His journey is crazy. Russell Wilson ended up in Wisconsin because Glennon was taking over. Then he ended up in Tampa where he had great numbers but got beaten out by Winston. Signed a huge deal in Chicago and they drafted Tribusky. He goes to Arizona and Oakland and then lands in Jacksonville this year. Minshew flakes out and Glennon has had 2 quality starts in a row. His stats have always been decent....but teams just want to move on. He is 31 now and likely won't get another chance

 

Brissett, Jacoby--Brissett might be back as an option in NE. He had several good years and is still pretty young. 

 

Minshew, Gardner--Minshew could be back as a backup in Jacksonville to Fields or whomever they draft. Or it's possible with a likely new coaching staff they sweep out the old starter. He would be a very cheap option. I am not sure how his personality would mesh with Burrow. 

 

Winston, Jameis--This is a no go for me. I do think he might make it back to starting but I am not sure he fits with Burrow either. 

 

Hundley, Brett--I have always liked Hundley because of his athleticism. He is only 27 so might have some upside. 

 

Gabbert, Blaine--An interesting long term backup type but only 31

 

Fitzpatrick, Ryan--This is a pretty big dream guy for many. Super professional and lots of high quality starts. Would help burrow and the team. 

 

Flacco, Joe--Already 35 and has had some good stats with the Jets but not enough. 

     

Mullens, Nick--Mullens will be an unrestricted free agent. He has a decent number of starts and at times looks good. And he is only 25

 

Beathard, CJ--I have a feeling Beathard will be on the short list. He looked really good when he played earlier this year and he is technically 3rd string. He has 10 starts

 

McCarron, AJ--This is an interesting one. Tell me you couldn't see our front office trying to prove they made a good pick by bringing back a known commodity. 

 

Taylor, Tyrod--Taylor could be great as well. At the very least he is a veteran leader that can start some games for you. 

Great stuff as always, Goo.

Like to see more of you around here.

[-GoBengals-]

On 12/11/2020 at 8:56 AM, MichaelWeston said:

Outside of the coaching decision, one of the most interesting offseason decisions should be what do we do about backup QB. I use the term should because the team has been ignoring the position for years to an obvious fault. Trotting out Allen and Finley just hasn't cut it. 

 

Next year we will be an interesting destination for someone looking to get snaps. While they won't get the future, whoever joins the team will be the focal point for the offseason and possibly up to 8 games if not more. That has to be enticing for a young guy who wants to still be a starter in this league or a seasoned veteran who would like to close out a career with some snaps. 

 

Here are the most likely guys broken down in 3 categories. Young guys looking to revitalize careers, veterans looking for the last snaps of their careers. and a group of guys who could start and then be a longer term backup option for Burrow. 

 

Who would you like to see us land?

 

Revitalize
Tribusky, Mitch	2021	26	62% 1069 10-5	46/47
Mariota, Marcus	2022; 2021 $10,100,000 CC	27	DNP	61/63
Haskins, Dwayne	2023; 2021 $1,805,601	23	61% 939 4-3	11/13
Jones, Daniel	2023; 2021 $3,018,096	23	63.2% 2335 8-9	23/24
Glennon, Mike	2021	30	62.3% 515 3-2	24/31
Brissett, Jacoby	2021	28	28.6% 17 0-0	32/45
Minshew, Gardner	2023; 2021 $850,000	24	65.9% 1855 13-5	19/21
Winston, Jameis	2021	26	63.6% 75 0-0	70/75
Hundley, Brett	2021	27	DNP	9/18
Gabbert, Blaine	2021	31	DNP	48/59
Last Chance
Fitzpatrick, Ryan	2021	38	68% 1909 12-8	146/164
Flacco, Joe	2021	35	55.2% 864 6-3	175/176
Long term backup
Mullens, Nick	2021	25	67.3% 1958 9-9	14/17
Beathard, CJ	2021	27	60.5% 232 1-0	10/16
McCarron, AJ	2021	30	DNP	4/15
Taylor, Tyrod	2021	31	53.3% 202 0-0	47/72

 

For reference here are all of the QB situations in the league. I broke them down by color. Green=likely settled, Aqua=Probably settled, Yellow=Maybe looking, Red=potential fits for next year

 

AFC East
	QB	17	Allen, Josh 18/1	BARKLEY, MATT SF18	Fromm, Jake 20/5
	QB	1	Tagovailoa, Tua 20/1	FITZPATRICK, RYAN U/TB
	QB	1	NEWTON, CAM CC/Car	Stidham, Jarrett 19/4	HOYER, BRIAN CC/Ind
	QB	14	Pick Number 1	Darnold, Sam 18/1	Morgan, James 20/4	FLACCO, JOE CC/Den
AFC North
	QB	8	Jackson, Lamar 18/1	McSorley, Trace 19/6
	QB	8	Joe Burrow	Allen, Brandon SF20	Finley, Ryan 19/4
	QB	6	Mayfield, Baker 18/1	KEENUM, CASE U/Was
	QB	7	ROETHLISBERGER, BEN 04/1	Rudolph, Mason 18/3	Dobbs, Joshua W/Jax
AFC South
	QB	4	Watson, Deshaun 17/1	MCCARRON, AJ CC/Oak	MCCOWN, JOSH P/Phi
	QB	17	RIVERS, PHILIP U/LAC	Brissett, Jacoby T/NE	Eason, Jacob 20/4
	QB	2	Pick Number 2	GLENNON, MIKE U/LV	Luton, Jake 20/6	Minshew II, Gardner 19/6
	QB	17	TANNEHILL, RYAN T/Mia	Woodside, Logan SF18
AFC West
	QB	3	Lock, Drew 19/2	Rypien, Brett CF19
	QB	15	Mahomes II, Patrick 17/1	HENNE, CHAD U/Jax
	QB	4	Carr, Derek 14/2	Mariota, Marcus U/Ten	Peterman, Nathan SF18
	QB	10	Herbert, Justin 20/1	TAYLOR, TYROD U/Cle	Stick, Easton 19/5
NFC East
	QB	14	Prescott, Dak	DALTON, ANDY SF20/EX	Gilbert, Garrett P/Cle	DiNucci, Ben 20/7
	QB	8		Jones, Daniel 19/1	MCCOY, COLT U/Was
	QB	2	Wentz, Carson 16/1	Hurts, Jalen 20/2	Sudfeld, Nate SF17
	QB	11		SMITH, ALEX T/KC	Haskins, Dwayne 19/1
NFC North
	QB	10		Trubisky, Mitch 17/1	FOLES, NICK T/Jax
	QB	9	STAFFORD, MATTHEW 09/1	DANIEL, CHASE U/Chi	Blough, David T/Cle
	QB	12	RODGERS, AARON 05/1	Boyle, Tim CF18	Love, Jordan 20/1
	QB	8	COUSINS, KIRK U/Was	Mannion, Sean U/LAR
NFC South
	QB	2	RYAN, MATT 08/1	SCHAUB, MATT U/Bal
	QB	5	Bridgewater, Teddy U/NO	Walker, P.J. SF20	Grier, Will 19/3
	QB	7	Brees, Drew	HILL, TAYSOM W/GB	Winston, Jameis U/TB	Siemian, Trevor P/Ten
	QB	12	BRADY, TOM U/NE	GABBERT, BLAINE SF19	GRIFFIN, RYAN W/NO
NFC West
	QB	1	Murray, Kyler 19/1	Streveler, Chris SF20	Hundley, Brett U/Sea
	QB	16	Goff, Jared 16/1	Wolford, John SF19
	QB	4	Garrapalo, Jimmy	Mullens, Nick CF17	Beathard, CJ 17/3
	QB	3	WILSON, RUSSELL 12/3	SMITH, GENO U/LAC

the team has been ignoring it to an obvious fault?...... by literally drafting one .....598 days ago.....  or was the vast evaluation period the 3 games the rookie 4th rounder got ?

 

backup QB, unless a fluke score-get, is sort of pointless, either your team is good enough to win with a backup qb for a few weeks, or they arent and it doesnt matter. 

 

a burrow-less bengals is a losing bengals for the most part.

 

i dont see shit on that list thats worth anything more than allen is really. anyone like Wentz, if cut or traded, is going to want to go somewhere wher they can start again soon, so good enough to start or bad enough to not matter. im not sure a veteran mentor for burrow matters either....

 

frankly backup qb might be 20th on the "things we need to fix" list.

[|SF2|]

To win you need in order (IMHO)

 

1 Franchise quality QB

2. Good offensive line (run and pass block)

3 an actual pass rush (good dline)

4 shutdown corner

5 A stud 3 down middle linebacker 

6 1 go to wide receiver ( think Hill,Thomas, Wes Welker or young Gronk). A guy who converts 3rd and 7. 

Great Olineman are rare and expensive. Great Olines are rare and short lived. Good is a reachable goal.  
 

You have to pay for a shutdown corner.  You have to have one in this league.  Ramsey’s move to Los Angeles has had a  profound effect on their now #1 defense. 
 

If you cant pressure the opponent’s QB, forget about winning big games. 
 

Running back and WR are the most overrated positions in football.  A good oline and QB makes stars out of good skill players. L’evon Bell’s move to the Jets is a good example of good oline verses bad oline.   Mixon didn’t become average overnight.  

 

[UncleEarl]

7 hours ago, GoBengals said:

the team has been ignoring it to an obvious fault?...... by literally drafting one .....598 days ago.....  or was the vast evaluation period the 3 games the rookie 4th rounder got ?

 

backup QB, unless a fluke score-get, is sort of pointless, either your team is good enough to win with a backup qb for a few weeks, or they arent and it doesnt matter. 

 

a burrow-less bengals is a losing bengals for the most part.

 

i dont see shit on that list thats worth anything more than allen is really. anyone like Wentz, if cut or traded, is going to want to go somewhere wher they can start again soon, so good enough to start or bad enough to not matter. im not sure a veteran mentor for burrow matters either....

 

frankly backup qb might be 20th on the "things we need to fix" list.

The thing is a backup QB is easy to find.  Might cost you a couple mil for Colt McCoy or his equivalent, but those guys are way better than some rookie who panics at the first sign of pressure or can’t make a f’n decision and gets sacked all the time.  Just pay. 

[UncleEarl]

17 minutes ago, SF2 said:

To win you need in order (IMHO)

 

1 Franchise quality QB

2. Good offensive line (run and pass block)

3 an actual pass rush (good dline)

4 shutdown corner

5 A stud 3 down middle linebacker 

6 1 go to wide receiver ( think Hill,Thomas or young Gronk). A guy who converts 3rd and 7. 

 

 

Pretty good list except #5 should be flipped with #6 and it doesn’t matter if it’s a MLB, WLB or SLB as long as they can read plays, run, and cover. Tall task in today’s NFL. 

[|SF2|]

3 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

Pretty good list except #5 should be flipped with #6 and it doesn’t matter if it’s a MLB, WLB or SLB as long as they can read plays, run, and cover. Tall task in today’s NFL. 

Good points.  

[I_C_Deadpeople]

51 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

Pretty good list except #5 should be flipped with #6 and it doesn’t matter if it’s a MLB, WLB or SLB as long as they can read plays, run, and cover. Tall task in today’s NFL. 

And other than the QB, Mikey has always chased the lower priority positions over the higher ones.