Jamie_B Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Sad. I don't remember him as a Bengal at all. He went to Stanford so he must have been pretty smart. Remember Stanley Wilson Jr? He also went to Stanford and had mental health issues after being drafted by Detroit. Last I heard of him, he was arrested for being outside naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, tibor75 said: Sad. I don't remember him as a Bengal at all. As far as I can tell he never appeared in a game. Must have been a TC filler guy. Looks like he did the same with the Saints. Of course, anyone that so much as drove by the stadium is a "former Bengal" in the media when they get in some kind of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, tibor75 said: Sad. I don't remember him as a Bengal at all. He went to Stanford so he must have been pretty smart. Remember Stanley Wilson Jr? He also went to Stanford and had mental health issues after being drafted by Detroit. Last I heard of him, he was arrested for being outside naked. Shame a young guy passes to soon.. I dont recall him.. My vision of Stanley Wilson has not running but in a fetal position on the floor of the hotel before the SB.. Im not mocking him..i hope he finds the light again someday.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Shame a young guy passes to soon.. I dont recall him.. My vision of Stanley Wilson has not running but in a fetal position on the floor of the hotel before the SB.. Im not mocking him..i hope he finds the light again someday.. Not Jr that was Sr. Jr went to Stanford and Sr. went to Oklahoma. Jr. had mental health issues and Sr. had drug issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Numbers said: Not Jr that was Sr. Jr went to Stanford and Sr. went to Oklahoma. Jr. had mental health issues and Sr. had drug issues. Drug issues are pretty much mental health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, UncleEarl said: Drug issues are pretty much mental health issues. I disagree, drug issues are a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, CalifBengalfan said: I disagree, drug issues are a choice. IMHO, Uncle Earl has a valid point. A drug addict's choice is skewed by something going wrong upstairs. Whether it started with mental health issues or not there will eventually be something wrong upstairs in the noggin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, CalifBengalfan said: I disagree, drug issues are a choice. Sometimes. Sometimes people just party themselves into an addiction problem. A lot of the time people use drugs, including alcohol, to self medicate mental health issues. Getting mental health treatment can be very difficult even if you can afford it, much less if you can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Any details on this? What was the guy doing or what was going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Numbers said: IMHO, Uncle Earl has a valid point. A drug addict's choice is skewed by something going wrong upstairs. Whether it started with mental health issues or not there will eventually be something wrong upstairs in the noggin. But my statement is that mental health issues are not a choice, if someone starts doing drugs the possibility is there eventually they get themselves in some kind of trouble or worse depending on the drugs and that doesn`t happen if they are not lured by drugs alchohol etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, CalifBengalfan said: But my statement is that mental health issues are not a choice, if someone starts doing drugs the possibility is there eventually they get themselves in some kind of trouble or worse depending on the drugs and that doesn`t happen if they are not lured by drugs alchohol etc. Dude, alcohol is the ultimate gateway drug. It’s socially accepted and leads many with mental health issues down a tough road. Most folks don’t live in a household where alcohol is forbidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Dude, alcohol is the ultimate gateway drug. It’s socially accepted and leads many with mental health issues down a tough road. Most folks don’t live in a household where alcohol is forbidden. Not saying alcohol or drugs are forbidden, just saying they are a choice people make. But in this sentence you are saying people with mental health issues choosing alcohol or drugs. That was not my argument and the loss of someones life due to mental illness even if they used drugs or alcohol for their issues is sad. My point was if someone uses drugs and alcohol and eventually loses control of their life that is on them... Might also be a sad story but when someone does it to themselves it was still choices they made in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, High School Harry said: Any details on this? What was the guy doing or what was going on? https://247sports.com/Article/Former-NFL-player-shot-killed-police-Ekom-Udofia-Cincinnati-Bengals-New-Orleans-Saints-Stanford-Cardinal-156520681/ Evidently jumping in and out of traffic and pointed a handgun (evidently a BB gun) at officers when they shot him. He had mental problems so maybe he wasn't lucid. Or suicide by cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, CalifBengalfan said: Not saying alcohol or drugs are forbidden, just saying they are a choice people make. But in this sentence you are saying people with mental health issues choosing alcohol or drugs. That was not my argument and the loss of someones life due to mental illness even if they used drugs or alcohol for their issues is sad. My point was if someone uses drugs and alcohol and eventually loses control of their life that is on them... Might also be a sad story but when someone does it to themselves it was still choices they made in life. “Choosing alcohol or drugs” is a loaded statement. Tons of people casually use alcohol and marijuana with minimal issues. How are people to know they have mental health issues that make taking alcohol or weed a big risk? Our society has tried prohibition. It was a huge failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: “Choosing alcohol or drugs” is a loaded statement. Tons of people casually use alcohol and marijuana with minimal issues. How are people to know they have mental health issues that make taking alcohol or weed a big risk? Our society has tried prohibition. It was a huge failure. You are right, “Choosing alcohol or drugs” is a loaded statement. It is hard to be put in peoples shoes and know what they go through in life to be where they are at, no argument there. Not sure where your comment on prohibition or households that don`t allow alchohol is going. I am not a saint or pretend to be one and again you are commenting on people with mental health issues using alcohol or drugs. My argument was and still is there is a difference between someone having mental health issues as a cause for their situation or someone who just got into alcohol or drugs and as a result bad shit can happen to them or worse someone else. Not trying to make a big deal about it but just stated that one is not the same or just like the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: “Choosing alcohol or drugs” is a loaded statement. Tons of people casually use alcohol and marijuana with minimal issues. How are people to know they have mental health issues that make taking alcohol or weed a big risk? Our society has tried prohibition. It was a huge failure. Our society never tried prohibition, the Federal government did. Very few States or rather Cities ever enforced it. Too much money involved for the local police to NOT look away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 hours ago, SF2 said: Our society never tried prohibition, the Federal government did. Very few States or rather Cities ever enforced it. Too much money involved for the local police to NOT look away. Money and desire from people to consume alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 hours ago, CalifBengalfan said: You are right, “Choosing alcohol or drugs” is a loaded statement. It is hard to be put in peoples shoes and know what they go through in life to be where they are at, no argument there. Not sure where your comment on prohibition or households that don`t allow alchohol is going. I am not a saint or pretend to be one and again you are commenting on people with mental health issues using alcohol or drugs. My argument was and still is there is a difference between someone having mental health issues as a cause for their situation or someone who just got into alcohol or drugs and as a result bad shit can happen to them or worse someone else. Not trying to make a big deal about it but just stated that one is not the same or just like the other. I wasn’t sure where you were coming from either. Addiction happens from many causes. Some are solely the responsibility of the person and others a lot more murky. Some folks just can’t drink socially. Some folks can. Some folks can take pain medication and it helps their life. Many it sends them into a horrible spiral of opioid use disorder. Others just want to party and bad things happen. I think we’re pretty close here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleEarl said: Money and desire from people to consume alcohol. Yep. Most urban police departments of that era were corrupt as hell. It wasn’t until the 1970s when the Knapp commission exposed the rampant corruption in New York City’s police department did the tide begin to turn. The dirty cops were making a killing during prohibition and honest cops knew better than to cross them. We are pretty much ignoring most drug use now. The country best figure out a way to deal with the aftermath to include the mental health aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, SF2 said: We are pretty much ignoring most drug use now. The country best figure out a way to deal with the aftermath to include the mental health aspect. We can't figure out regular health care, where are the dollars going to come for mental health? They aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: We can't figure out regular health care, where are the dollars going to come for mental health? They aren't. Probably right. Addicts and those with mental health issues probably don’t donate much to political campaigns and probably don’t vote often either. Just sweep em under the rug, they have a $1000 a plate campaign stop to get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 hours ago, UncleEarl said: I wasn’t sure where you were coming from either. Addiction happens from many causes. Some are solely the responsibility of the person and others a lot more murky. Some folks just can’t drink socially. Some folks can. Some folks can take pain medication and it helps their life. Many it sends them into a horrible spiral of opioid use disorder. Others just want to party and bad things happen. I think we’re pretty close here. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, CalifBengalfan said: Agree The human mind is a very very delicate balance of chemicals, neurons, etc. And for some it takes virtually nothing to disturb that balance. For others, say those with depression, meds can bring them back into balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOC Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 https://youtu.be/VnF-JmE5NUA Official Police video of Udofia attempted arrest. Pretty hard to watch. This young man had some definite issues. Not sure if this even sounds right but hope he's somehow found peace <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VnF-JmE5NUA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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