|ArmyBengal| Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, High School Harry said: If (when) Zimmer gets fired in Minnesota, could we bring him back as our DC and Zac would be on the shortest of short leashes looking over his shoulder? that's a tough one. How often has 'looking over his shoulder' motivation worked with coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Can we change the title of this thread to “...then who” instead of “...than who”? I cringe every time I see it. 🦗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, ArmyBengal said: that's a tough one. How often has 'looking over his shoulder' motivation worked with coaches? Not often i would assume.. People make Zimmer out to be this guru of a HC... Why are the Vikes parting ways then? Hed be a good DC but doubt they want to create any ideas of Looking over shoulder dilemma... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Not often i would assume.. People make Zimmer out to be this guru of a HC... Why are the Vikes parting ways then? Hed be a good DC but doubt they want to create any ideas of Looking over shoulder dilemma... His defenses always start out strong, but start to fade as the season go on. Especially his run defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, ArmyBengal said: that's a tough one. How often has 'looking over his shoulder' motivation worked with coaches? Given Zac Shula's record as a HC his head should already be on a swivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Cricket said: Can we change the title of this thread to “...then who” instead of “...than who”? I cringe every time I see it. 🦗 Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Montana Bengal| Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Cricket said: Can we change the title of this thread to “...then who” instead of “...than who”? I cringe every time I see it. 🦗 There you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|ArmyBengal| Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said: There you go grammatically, the answer was ... everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Montana Bengal said: There you go Thanks. 🦗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sparky151 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 A little progress is better than none but shouldn't we aspire to not have obviously, clearly, noncontroversially the worst HC in the division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: A little progress is better than none but shouldn't we aspire to not have obviously, clearly, noncontroversially the worst HC in the division? I'm assuming you're being rhetorical.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 4:39 PM, MichaelWeston said: Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Looking like it might be more widespread. Looking at potential OC's OC Connection Current Link Aaron Kromer Rams with Taylor Rams Run game coordinator/OL https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/aaron-kromer Shane Waldron Rams with Taylor Rams Pass game coordinator https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/shane-waldron Matt Cavanaugh Redskins with McVay FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cavanaugh Dave Ragone Redskins with McVay Bears Pass game coordinator https://www.chicagobears.com/team/coaches/dave-ragone Mike McDaniel Redskins with McVay/Texans with Sherman 49ers Run game coordinator https://www.49ers.com/team/coaches-roster/mike-mcdaniel Jay Gruden Florida Tuskers/Bucs with McVay Jaguars Offensive coordinator https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/jay-gruden Mike Sherman Father in law FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sherman Darrell Bevell Packers with Sherman Lions Offensive coordinator https://www.detroitlions.com/team/coaches-roster/darrell-bevell Press Taylor Brother Eagles Pass game coordinator/QBs https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches-roster/press-taylor Klint Kubiak Texas AnM with Taylor Vikings QBs Coach https://www.vikings.com/team/coaches-roster/klink-kubiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 I think things could get really interesting. Looks like maybe some big changes. Maybe new DC and OC. I for one would welcome it at DC and maybe OC. I certainly want him to give up some playcalling. At offensive coordinator I think there are 4 options I think are most likely. 1. Darrell Bevell: There were tweets that he was high on the list last go around and then went to Detroit. He coached with Mike Sherman in Green Bay. I would have to think he might be in consideration this go around. He's coached QBs in the past so he might be around regardless. He has been an OC in Detroit, Minnesota and Seattle. 2. Mike McDaniel: Rams run game coordinator, coached with McVay with the Redskins and Sherman with the Texans. Has a good gig now in a very interesting system and might not leave unless we gave him playcalling duties. 3. Jay Gruden: Coached with McVay in Tampa and for the Florida Tuskers. Obviously knows Cincinnati. OC in Cincy and Jax and has Head Coaching experience. 4. There are 2 candidates for LAR but we interviewed one for the head job and didn't give it to him so I doubt he comes for this. It's possible Aaron Kromer would come if we gave him playcalling duties. At defensive coordinator there are 5 options I deem most likely. 2 are up and comers and 3 are veterans with ties to McVay 1. Aubrey Pleasant: Coached with Taylor in LA and interviewed last time. Could possibly bring Wade Phillips with him which would help his youth. 2. Aaron Glenn: Requested an interview last time and was denied. His defense is highly ranked but he is inexpereinced. 3 current DC's should be available soon. 1. Raheem Morris: Coached with McVay in Tampa, is current interim HC in Atlanta and was DC before he took it over. 2. Todd Wash: Coached with McVay in Tampa, is current Jags DC 3. Gus Bradley: Coached with McVay in Tampa, is current LAC DC, has HC experience. If you got me Mike McDaniel or Kromer to come call plays and be the running game coordinator and Gus Bradley to be the DC and Frank Pollack at OL, I think we would all agree with that. My biggest fears from Bevell and Gruden are that they didn't coach any recent trendy offenses. My biggest fears from Pleasant and Glenn are that you would get more of what we had from Anarumo. Phillips could help get rid of that for Pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 12:32 PM, High School Harry said: If (when) Zimmer gets fired in Minnesota, could we bring him back as our DC and Zac would be on the shortest of short leashes looking over his shoulder? This is one of several reasons why this isn't happening; it might make Zac sad and that would lose Redeemer many precious Good Boy Points. Other reasons include Zimmer has seen how the sausage is made here, he will have other offers, he doesn't treat the roster like a glass menagerie, he probably isn't keen on taking orders from a clueless, wet-behind-the-ears HC.. Yeah.. Fuggedaboutit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 15 hours ago, spicoli said: This would have some fascinating positive implications for the off-season if E. Jesse is right. Off the top of my head if she’s accurate: 1. Further evidence the Katie wing is in charge over the old man. The Mike brown M.O. is the annual debrief on the Monday after the final Sunday. IF the front office has already had these kind of discussions with ZT, then that points to Katie and crew. 2 this report coupled with dehner saying on his pod that he is 100% positive that Hart is gone makes me think he’s at least heard something similar at least with respect to Turner, as Turner has been Hart’s biggest champion. If Turner is gone, Hart being gone would be a simple conclusion. 3. Gives me hope that last years FA spending spree wasn’t a one-off. If the Katie wing is in charge, they may indeed approach things differently than the old man. And, again per Dehner on his pod, Dehner was insistent they are going to spend big in FA at o-line. His insistence on that point makes more sense if he is also aware that the philosophy behind last year’s FA spend is flowing from the non-Mike Brown pieces of the front office who may now be in charge. Hope Elise Jesse’s got solid sources on this one. Extra curious now how Monday and Tuesday unfold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, membengal said: This would have some fascinating positive implications for the off-season if E. Jesse is right. Off the top of my head if she’s accurate: 1. Further evidence the Katie wing is in charge over the old man. The Mike brown M.O. is the annual debrief on the Monday after the final Sunday. IF the front office has already had these kind of discussions with ZT, then that points to Katie and crew. 2 this report coupled with dehner saying on his pod that he is 100% positive that Hart is gone makes me think he’s at least heard something similar at least with respect to Turner, as Turner has been Hart’s biggest champion. If Turner is gone, Hart being gone would be a simple conclusion. 3. Gives me hope that last years FA spending spree wasn’t a one-off. If the Katie wing is in charge, they may indeed approach things differently than the old man. And, again per Dehner on his pod, Dehner was insistent they are going to spend big in FA at o-line. His insistence on that point makes more sense if he is also aware that the philosophy behind last year’s FA spend is flowing from the non-Mike Brown pieces of the front office who may now be in charge. Hope Elise Jesse’s got solid sources on this one. Extra curious now how Monday and Tuesday unfold... From what I've read she's kind of known for the modern style of sports journalism where you just make stuff up and either look like a genius if it's true or it's forgotten about in 2 weeks if it's not. Point being I'd take this all with many grains of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, T-Dub said: This is one of several reasons why this isn't happening; it might make Zac sad and that would lose Redeemer many precious Good Boy Points. Other reasons include Zimmer has seen how the sausage is made here, he will have other offers, he doesn't treat the roster like a glass menagerie, he probably isn't keen on taking orders from a clueless, wet-behind-the-ears HC.. Yeah.. Fuggedaboutit. Apparently Zimmer has a "Ranch" in Northern Kentucky and it's his favorite place on the planet. I think he would come back in an instant. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27380695/vikings-coach-finds-solace-sprawling-ranch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, T-Dub said: From what I've read she's kind of known for the modern style of sports journalism where you just make stuff up and either look like a genius if it's true or it's forgotten about in 2 weeks if it's not. Point being I'd take this all with many grains of salt. Agreed, she is part time and doesn't live in Cincy. I think she has an incomplete picture but still makes content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: Apparently Zimmer has a "Ranch" in Northern Kentucky and it's his favorite place on the planet. I think he would come back in an instant. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27380695/vikings-coach-finds-solace-sprawling-ranch Yeh IDK.. He's loaded, not like he needs to work for Mike Brown to accomplish anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: From what I've read she's kind of known for the modern style of sports journalism where you just make stuff up and either look like a genius if it's true or it's forgotten about in 2 weeks if it's not. Point being I'd take this all with many grains of salt. Well, I put a shit-ton of qualifiers in my post, so I clearly am. But her report coupled with Dehner on his pod does at least hint of more change after Sunday in the staff than I had been guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, membengal said: Well, I put a shit-ton of qualifiers in my post, so I clearly am. But her report coupled with Dehner on his pod does at least hint of more change after Sunday in the staff than I had been guessing. Man I hope so, there's not a single person on this staff I would be upset about losing. After 2 years and no real progress a competent team would be cleaning house. But this... ain't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 15 hours ago, spicoli said: I'm assuming you're being rhetorical.. I'd hope even the Brown family would pay lip service to not assuming the position of being the worst team before the first game has been played. We're competing with 3 other teams, 2 of whom have Super Bowl winning coaches who will be back in the playoffs again this season. The other has a new coach who could have flopped like his predecessors but seems to know how to run a team. He's won twice as many games as Taylor and more in his first year than Taylor in 2 seasons. Zac is getting lapped pretty obviously and I doubt has a very high buyout number. So any pretense of being competitive with the current staff is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Looking like it might be more widespread. Looking at potential OC's OC Connection Current Link Aaron Kromer Rams with Taylor Rams Run game coordinator/OL https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/aaron-kromer Shane Waldron Rams with Taylor Rams Pass game coordinator https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/shane-waldron Matt Cavanaugh Redskins with McVay FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cavanaugh Dave Ragone Redskins with McVay Bears Pass game coordinator https://www.chicagobears.com/team/coaches/dave-ragone Mike McDaniel Redskins with McVay/Texans with Sherman 49ers Run game coordinator https://www.49ers.com/team/coaches-roster/mike-mcdaniel Jay Gruden Florida Tuskers/Bucs with McVay Jaguars Offensive coordinator https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/jay-gruden Mike Sherman Father in law FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sherman Darrell Bevell Packers with Sherman Lions Offensive coordinator https://www.detroitlions.com/team/coaches-roster/darrell-bevell Press Taylor Brother Eagles Pass game coordinator/QBs https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches-roster/press-taylor Klint Kubiak Texas AnM with Taylor Vikings QBs Coach https://www.vikings.com/team/coaches-roster/klink-kubiak Why does some past connection to Sean McVay mean a connection to Taylor? It's common for coaches to hire people they know and have worked for but just because someone was on the same staff as a young McVay doesn't make them a candidate for the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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