Madieu Superstar Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jason said: And CJ and Boyd. And Logan Wilson from what I have seen tweeted this morning. My impression is that the players that are still here like him a lot. The players liked Marvin too. Players are played to play. Normal franchises have a front office that's paid to make the right decisions. It's amazing, the Cincinnati press has dubbed MB to be "unemotional" about these decisions. I'd say it's the opposite. Marvin Lewis was kept in 2017 because he won two meaningless games at the end of the season. That's not emotional? Zac Taylor largely seems to be staying on because he beat Pittsburgh in prime time. Is that not emotional? All in all, it seems par for the course. It's an organization that is managed without a plan. They sorta just go with the flow and make decisions when they're forced to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, spicoli said: I agree with this 100%. I think JoeB was a huge factor here. I would have no doubt JB was consulted on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycat Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I guess I do not understand letting the WR coach go. Are they not one of the better parts of this team? But they keep the DC when that is one of ours worst parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, crazycat said: I guess I do not understand letting the WR coach go. Are they not one of the better parts of this team? But they keep the DC when that is one of ours worst parts? I heard the wr coach bolted for the door and 3 missed tackles got away:) JK I don`t hear shit unless it`s on here lol. On another note Anthony Lynn fired 7-9 not good enough and 33-31 over 4 years. Sucks to look at their owners statement about winning and then look at our owners statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|ArmyBengal| Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 like every season, many coaching positions become available this Monday after the season end. Some good and some not so good options for wanna be HC and OC/DCs. I get the Bengals front office not wanting to get into the situation they were in before trying to lure, cajole, fight for a HC. The Bengals are often the wall flower without a dance partner at the end. Then finding OC/DC candidates is even tougher as the marquee names have already signed elsewhere. The rationale is sound, especially as mentioned earlier, Zach seems to have JBs endorsement. Let's get on with finding upgrades to the OC/DC and assistants straight away. I send the Lumina over to Clifton with Team Katie and see if you could convince Marcus Freeman to sign on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalFanInTO Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, Madieu Superstar said: The players liked Marvin too. Players are played to play. Normal franchises have a front office that's paid to make the right decisions. It's amazing, the Cincinnati press has dubbed MB to be "unemotional" about these decisions. I'd say it's the opposite. Marvin Lewis was kept in 2017 because he won two meaningless games at the end of the season. That's not emotional? Zac Taylor largely seems to be staying on because he beat Pittsburgh in prime time. Is that not emotional? All in all, it seems par for the course. It's an organization that is managed without a plan. They sorta just go with the flow and make decisions when they're forced to. If you think other organizations (and good organizations) don't consult their key players and specifically their star QBs about things within the organization, you're delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, crazycat said: So speculation, How long of a leash will Zac have? If we start 0-5, would Mikey can him? What would it take? I dont think Brown would fire him in mid-season. More likely he'd be let go after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 11 hours ago, MichaelWeston said: Coaching connections to Taylor (Sherman, McVay, Bill Callahan), Callahan, Anarumo. RBs: RB Coach Connection Current Link Jim Bob Cooter Callahan-Lions NYJ-RBs Coach https://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches-roster/jim-bob-cooter Gary Brown Bill Callahan-Cowboys FA https://www.dallascowboys.com/team/coaches-roster/gary-brown Anthony Lynn Bill Callahan-Jets LAC-HC https://www.chargers.com/team/coaches-roster/anthony-lynn Cooter was the OC in Detroit and worked extensively with Brian Callahan in Denver and Detroit. Brown was loved by Elliott etc. but was left out when McCarthy took over. Lynn would be an absolute get but will have other options. Someone suggested in another forum making Callahan the Passing game coordinator and then getting a veteran coach by making them the run game coordinator. This could make sense with Lynn. WRs: WR Coach Connection Current Link Phil McGeoghan Taylor-Chargers LAC-WRs coach https://www.chargers.com/team/coaches-roster/phil-mcgeoghan Marc Lubick Callahan-Lions BUF-Asst WRs Coach https://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches-roster/marc-lubick Adam Gase Callahan-Broncos NYJ-HC https://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches-roster/adam-gase Keenan McCardell McVay-Redskins JAC-WRs coach https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/keenan-mccardell Darrell Bevell Packers with Sherman Lions Offensive coordinator https://www.detroitlions.com/team/coaches-roster/darrell-bevell Derek Dooley Bill Callahan-Cowboys NYG-Sr O Asst https://www.giants.com/team/coaches-roster/derek-dooley McGeohan coached with Taylor in Miami. Lubick would be interesting coming from the Bill system. McCardell and Dooley are veteran coaches that would be interesting. There were rumors that Bevell was the top candidate for our OC role when we were hiring 2 years ago. OL: OL Coach Connection Current Link Mike Sherman Ex Boss and Father in Law FA https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SherMi0.htm Jack Bicknell Jr Coached with Taylor as Asst OL Coach in Miami Auburn OL Coach https://auburntigers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/jack-bicknell-jr-/3345 Phil Rauscher Coached with Brian Callahan in Denver/Asst to Bill Callahan in Wash Vikings Asst OL Coach https://www.vikings.com/team/coaches-roster/phil-rauscher#:~:text=Phil%20Rauscher%20joins%20the%20Vikings,during%20the%202015%2D16%20seasons. Chris Foerster Coached with McVay in Washington and Anarumo in Miami 49ers Asst OL Coach https://www.49ers.com/team/coaches-roster/chris-foerster Chris Morgan Coached with McVay in Washington Falcons OL Coach https://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/coaches-roster/chris-morgan Lemuel Jeanpierre Coached with Brian Callahan in Oakland Dolphins Asst OL Coach https://www.miamidolphins.com/team/coaches-roster/lemuel-jeanpierre James Campen Coached with Mike Sherman in Green Bay Chargers OL Coach https://www.chargers.com/team/coaches-roster/james-campen Frank Pollack Bill Callahan-Cowboys Jets OL Coach dhttps://I.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches-roster/frank-pollack Bill Callahan and Frank Pollack would be the obvious choices. McVay and Sherman also coached with the OL coaches at Atlanta and LAC as well. Jack Bicknell seemed like a great option but he isn't coming with his brother getting canned. A couple assistants might be ready to be full time as well. The pickings here seem slim. The most likely candidates are probably Morgan or Campen. I don't think either line is very good. DL: DL Connection Current Link Gary Emanuel Anarumo-Giants/Purdue FA https://www.giants.com/team/coaches-roster/gary-emanuel Andre Carter Anarumo-Miami Jets DL https://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches-roster/andre-carter Matt Burke Anarumo-Miami Eagles DL/Run Game Coordinator https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches-roster/matt-burke Jethro Franklin Golden-U of M FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Franklin Terrell Williams Anarumo-Miami/Purdue Duffner-Miami Titans DL https://www.tennesseetitans.com/team/coaches-roster/terrell-williams If Anarumo is back there are three candidates with the most connections. Emanuel and Carter should both be available. Matt Burke was a LBs coach here before and might be out with the changes going on in Philly. I will add the DC just in case. DC Connection Current Link Aubrey Pleasant Rams/interviewed 2018 Rams DB https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/aubrey-pleasant Aaron Glenn Requested interview 2018 Saints DB https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/aaron-glenn Kris Richard FA https://www.dallascowboys.com/team/coaches-roster/kris-richard Raheem Morris Coached with McVay Bucs Interim Falcons HC https://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/coaches-roster/raheem-morris Dan Quinn Ex Falcons HC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quinn_(American_football) Matt Patricia Ex Lions HC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Patricia Gus Bradley Coached with McVay Bucs Chargers DC https://www.chargers.com/team/coaches-roster/gus-bradley Paul Guenther Ex Raiders DC https://www.raiders.com/team/coaches-roster/paul-guenther Todd Wash Coached with McVay Bucs Jacksonville DC https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/todd-wash Chris Hewitt Ravens Pass D Coordinator https://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/coaches-roster/chris-hewitt Mike Elko interviewed 2018 Texas AnM DC https://12thman.com/staff-directory/mike-elko/628 Todd Grantham interviewed 2018 Florida DC https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/todd-grantham/1192 Lynn was just fired, no idea if he'd be willing to go from HC to RB coach, but he is available. 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|ArmyBengal| Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 4:38 PM, I_C_Deadpeople said: Given Zac Shula's record as a HC his head should already be on a swivel. in the Army 'head on a swivel' is consider sound advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 The Fans only wanted a change 2 years ago? 😂 Just proves the old coot doesn’t pay attention to his fans or what is left of them. How about 5 years ago, MFB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, BengalFanInTO said: I 100% believe that a very big factor in the decision to retain Zac Taylor is that Joe Burrow really seems to like him. I've thought this for a while. My take with Joe in particular is "why wouldn't a QB like a pass-happy HC who calls the plays?" But when I take my cynic hat off, I have one vain hope here. If Joe is who I think he is (that is, a QB in the mold of Peyton Manning in terms of dedication to film study and play recognition) and Zac gives him the leeway he will demand to call audibles - MAYBE Joe himself can push the offense to where it needs to go. I have no trust in Zac at all in this regard. We saw this with Palmer in his glory days (2005 especially) when they'd sometimes let him run the no-huddle - we were UNSTOPPABLE and Palmer was actually very good at checking into the "right" play. Unfortunately Marvin "I'm the HC so we do it my way, even if it's not my area" Lewis REFUSED to use the no-huddle in any sort of consistent way, and when pressed on it he was outright hostile. I don't really know why that is, it could be something extreme like, as a DC he hated the no huddle so considered it "without honour" or some garbage... or he legitimately thought it couldn't succeed in the long run, again as a DC. Either way his ideas failed so he was stupid not to try. Edit: I should add, if we don't give Zac credit for anything else, he does deserve credit for trying to craft the offense around what Joe likes and incorporate plays that Joe liked from college that fit the scheme. Not every coach would do that (certainly not a Marvin Lewis), hell possibly the majority of coaches. Do you think Jay Gruden would ask Joe for a set of plays to add to HIS offense? Fack no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 When Taylor was hired we all thought he would be smart and hire veterans to go with his inexperience. He didn't i was fine with him staying or going but he needed to upgrade the staff. If turning down the Senior Bowl is his decision....that sucks. If he doesn't upgrade his staff and just replaces them....that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, MichaelWeston said: When Taylor was hired we all thought he would be smart and hire veterans to go with his inexperience. He didn't i was fine with him staying or going but he needed to upgrade the staff. If turning down the Senior Bowl is his decision....that sucks. If he doesn't upgrade his staff and just replaces them....that sucks. I think changes are coming.. Hold tight till it plays out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 The comments I've heard from the new guys all seem to be supportive of Taylor. The old guard, Dunlap, Atkins, Green, etc. were less than impressed. Given the Bengals history of nonperformance I would lean toward the guys that have won in the past. On the other hand our HS team loved the coach, but lost every year. When the finally fired the guy they started winning immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MichaelWeston Posted January 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, saphead said: We just don't deserve this kid. We are all dirty, jaded, and unclean. We abuse drugs & alcohol, gamble and lust for soiled women to cope with our misery. He is clean, pure, so precocious and full of wonderment. I have tears streaming down my face right now. I want Joey to run, run far away from here. 😭 Joey Burrow @JoeyB · 14m Couldn’t be more excited about the future of our organization. We have a great foundation and great people at the top. Look forward to giving the fans what they deserve. Also hopefully that’s the last time I ever have to watch a game on tv "Soiled women?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 It's good corporate politics for Burrow to echo the party line. But even a rookie knows we don't have a great foundation and great people at the top. Indeed, they are part of the problem. Did Zac say he was passing on the Senior bowl? Is it even being played this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphead Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 We just don't deserve this kid. We are all dirty, jaded and unclean. We abuse drugs & alcohol, gamble and lust for soiled women to cope with our misery. Joey is so clean, pure, so precocious and full of wonderment. I have tears streaming down my face as I write. I want Joey to run far, far away from here. 😭 From Joey Burrows twitter: "Couldn't be more excited about the future of our organization. We have a great foundation and great people at the top. Look forward to giving the fans what they deserve. Also hopefully that's the last time I ever have to watch a game on TV." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 scenarios playing around with. PC Callahan Brian Callahan Brian Callahan RC Callahan Bill Callahan Lynn QB Pitcher Pitcher Pitcher RB Singleton Cooter Lynn WR Bicknell McGeoghan McGeoghan WR A Walters Walters Walters TE Casey Casey Casey OL Turner Bill Callahan Campen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sparky151 Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 If they are thinking of promoting Ben Martin to O-line coach, that's a disaster in the making. Let's hire someone who has been an NFL O-line coach and isn't responsible for the current suckitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, sparky151 said: If they are thinking of promoting Ben Martin to O-line coach, that's a disaster in the making. Let's hire someone who has been an NFL O-line coach and isn't responsible for the current suckitude. I checked the want ads and the Bengal's have not posted one yet... https://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Offensive+Line+Coach When they do I'm pretty sure it pays slightly better than the fry chef at McDonald's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, sparky151 said: f they are thinking of promoting Ben Martin to O-line coach, that's a disaster in the making. Let's hire someone who has been an NFL O-line coach and isn't responsible for the current suckitude. I was thinking the exact same thing. From everything I've heard/read so far though, Martin will be staying in his current role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Numbers said: When they do I'm pretty sure it pays slightly better than the fry chef at McDonald's... It's the Bengals. Wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Still waiting on Anarumo.......Right now there are 7 Defensive Coordinator openings in the league. I didn't include Marvin Lewis, but are there 8 candidates here you would take over Anarumo? DC Connection Current Link Gus Bradley Coached with McVay Bucs Chargers DC https://www.chargers.com/team/coaches-roster/gus-bradley Dan Quinn Ex Falcons HC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quinn_(American_football) Matt Patricia Ex Lions HC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Patricia Raheem Morris Coached with McVay Bucs Interim Falcons HC https://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/coaches-roster/raheem-morris Todd Wash Coached with McVay Bucs Jacksonville DC https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/todd-wash Aubrey Pleasant Rams/interviewed 2018 Rams DB https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/aubrey-pleasant Aaron Glenn Requested interview 2018 Saints DB https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/aaron-glenn Kris Richard FA https://www.dallascowboys.com/team/coaches-roster/kris-richard Paul Guenther Ex Raiders DC https://www.raiders.com/team/coaches-roster/paul-guenther Steve Wilks FA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wilks Chris Hewitt Ravens Pass D Coordinator https://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/coaches-roster/chris-hewitt Marquand Manuel Eagles DBs https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches-roster/marquand-manuel Eric Washington Bills DL https://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches-roster/eric-washington Demeco Ryans 49ers LBs https://www.49ers.com/team/coaches-roster/demeco-ryans Jim Leonhard Wisconsin DC https://uwbadgers.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/jim-leonhard/1565 Mike Elko interviewed 2018 Texas AnM DC https://12thman.com/staff-directory/mike-elko/628 Todd Grantham interviewed 2018 Florida DC https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/todd-grantham/1192 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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