Jamie_B Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, spicoli said: Because new coaching staffs want their own QB's. I guess, but I'd think they might want to see what they have in Hurts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Jamie_B said: I guess, but I'd think they might want to see what they have in Hurts too. They just may although Hurts wasnt the new coaches choice to run the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 7 hours ago, High School Harry said: No Smith. Reminds me of John Ross 2.0. I don't see that at all. Smith plays big, Ross plays like a little guy. Apples to oranges, IMO. Waddle reminds me of Ross actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 13 hours ago, spicoli said: Did you see him making DJ Reader the highest paid NT in the NFL? Reader doesn't play offensive line. OL isn't Ferrari enough for Mikey to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 13 hours ago, spicoli said: They are absolutely not moving on from him....which, effectively makes all of that moot. It makes no difference whatsoever what any of us think about him, he's a guaranteed starter. He's pretty much the opposite of a guaranteed starter. He's only been available for less than half his games on the roster. If your point is the team will put him in the lineup if he's healthy, then sure. But expecting 16 starts from Jonah involves a lot of hoping and wishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Why would Philly take a QB? They just drafted Jalen Hurts last year. I'd think they would be happy to get QBs off the board so they have a better chance at a player they want. Because they drafted Hurts as a backup to Wentz, ie as the Foles replacement. Now that Wentz is gone, they realize that Hurts might start ahead of a rookie but he's not a long term solution so if they get a shot at a top QB in 2021, they make take it. Next year's class isn't very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 hours ago, spicoli said: I don't see that at all. Smith plays big, Ross plays like a little guy. Apples to oranges, IMO. Waddle reminds me of Ross actually. Why does Waddle remind you of Ross??? What's the comparison outside of speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, sparky151 said: Because they drafted Hurts as a backup to Wentz, ie as the Foles replacement. Now that Wentz is gone, they realize that Hurts might start ahead of a rookie but he's not a long term solution so if they get a shot at a top QB in 2021, they make take it. Next year's class isn't very impressive. And the Eagles are generally very aggressive when it comes to QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, sparky151 said: If your point is the team will put him in the lineup if he's healthy, then sure. 100% what I'm saying....so get ready to hope and wish, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: Why does Waddle remind you of Ross??? What's the comparison outside of speed? Small player that plays small. I like small players that play bigger than their size. I'd actually rather have Rondale Moore than Waddle. Not at 5 obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: He's pretty much the opposite of a guaranteed starter. He's only been available for less than half his games on the roster. If your point is the team will put him in the lineup if he's healthy, then sure. But expecting 16 starts from Jonah involves a lot of hoping and wishing. Hoping and wishing are what this FO does instead of planning and building. Then they call it bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Hoping and wishing are what this FO does instead of planning and building. Then they call it bad luck. at least you know what to expect then, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: I expect them to build both lines up to respectability... They allways cover their base with skilled players including corners.. They paid big bucks for Reader now get a 3 tech rusher next to him..Acquire another DE as well.. How hard is that ti figure out.. Lines win games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 I expect a greatly improved O-line. Have some doubts about the D-line. On the offensive side, we had 1 of the bottom 3 lines in the league. We had one of the worst O-line coaches trying to make chicken salad with Michael Jordan, Alex Redmond, and Bobby Hart starting and Jonah Williams missing a good bit of the season. I don't expect Pollack to be a miracle worker but he's at least an average NFL coach and will be given some resources to work with. Re-signing Spain, adding Thuney and drafting Sewell would go a long way to giving us a better than average line instead of bottom 3. On the defensive side, we were weak vs the run even when Reader was playing and lacked pass rush, especially from the tackles. We may well lose Lawson who was our only pass rusher that was even average for his position. Hubbard and Reader will be starting but the other 2 players are unknown at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, sparky151 said: I expect a greatly improved O-line. Have some doubts about the D-line. On the offensive side, we had 1 of the bottom 3 lines in the league. We had one of the worst O-line coaches trying to make chicken salad with Michael Jordan, Alex Redmond, and Bobby Hart starting and Jonah Williams missing a good bit of the season. I don't expect Pollack to be a miracle worker but he's at least an average NFL coach and will be given some resources to work with. Re-signing Spain, adding Thuney and drafting Sewell would go a long way to giving us a better than average line instead of bottom 3. On the defensive side, we were weak vs the run even when Reader was playing and lacked pass rush, especially from the tackles. We may well lose Lawson who was our only pass rusher that was even average for his position. Hubbard and Reader will be starting but the other 2 players are unknown at this point. Without addressing the Dline theyll still be a cellar team.. If they dont sign Lawson to a big contract they could grab Justin Houston as reported and save more cap space for the Oline.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 I didn't expect them to fix the line by loading up on free agents. However, I think that Thuney is a real possibility because he is a local guy and we should be willing to outpay everyone else. Havenstein can solidify the RT spot and he is on the Rams so I wouldn't be surprised if they wouldn't be more willing to trade with us because of the Taylor connection, as long as we offer a 4-5th. His salary is in the Bobby Hart range. That's more than doable. 6.725 2021, 7,250 2022. He is giant but he has played guard...(not sure if well)....https://www.therams.com/video/ota-one-on-one-with-rob-havenstein-18884514 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: Without addressing the Dline theyll still be a cellar team.. If they dont sign Lawson to a big contract they could grab Justin Houston as reported and save more cap space for the Oline.... Lawson to me needs to be franchised. He is eventually going to be a top pass rusher in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, MichaelWeston said: Lawson to me needs to be franchised. He is eventually going to be a top pass rusher in the league. Then sign him to a long-term deal. Franchise tag is a short-term “solution”. Unless things have changed, a second year of being franchised comes with AT LEAST a twenty percent increase in pay. A third year of being franchised is at the average pay of the top five contracts in the league, REGARDLESS OF POSITION, but must be at least another twenty percent increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, Cricket said: Then sign him to a long-term deal. Franchise tag is a short-term “solution”. Unless things have changed, a second year of being franchised comes with AT LEAST a twenty percent increase in pay. A third year of being franchised is at the average pay of the top five contracts in the league, REGARDLESS OF POSITION, but must be at least another twenty percent increase. Completely agree, my only point is that you can't let that guy leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Franchise tag would cost about 16 mil for Lawson. He's probably worth about 14 mil per year on a long term deal so they may gamble they can sign him on the open market instead of a tag. If he leaves, I don't expect a big ticket D-line signing. More likely they'll use pick 38 on a pass rusher. It's a fairly weak group this year but probably one of Phillips, Basham, Oweh, or Ojulari will still be on the board. If we trade down in round 1, then Rousseau might be a target, depending on who else is on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 hours ago, sparky151 said: Because they drafted Hurts as a backup to Wentz, ie as the Foles replacement. Now that Wentz is gone, they realize that Hurts might start ahead of a rookie but he's not a long term solution so if they get a shot at a top QB in 2021, they make take it. Next year's class isn't very impressive. I would suggest that nobody drafts a back up QB in the 1st round, when you draft a 1st Round QB you draft him to play, even if it is right away for down the line depending on your current starter (See: Aaron Rodgers waiting a few years before Bret Farvre left) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Pff simulator - I did no trades, played it straight, came out with this. I would imagine even Weston would be okay with this: 1st round 5th overall --- Ja'Marr Chase, WR LSU 2nd round 37th overall -- Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL/OT, USC 3rd round 69th overall -- Daviyon Nixon, IDL, Iowa 4th round 110th overall -- Quinn Meinerz, IOL, Wisc Whitewater 5th round 150th overall --- Jaylen Twyman, Edge/IDL, Pitt 6th round 191st overall --- Charles Snowden Edge/OLB, Virginia 7th round 231st overall --- Tony Fields II, LB, West Virginia 7th round 233rd overall --- JaCoby Stevens, S, LSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, membengal said: Pff simulator - I did no trades, played it straight, came out with this. I would imagine even Weston would be okay with this: 1st round 5th overall --- Ja'Marr Chase, WR LSU 2nd round 37th overall -- Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL/OT, USC 3rd round 69th overall -- Daviyon Nixon, IDL, Iowa 4th round 110th overall -- Quinn Meinerz, IOL, Wisc Whitewater 5th round 150th overall --- Jaylen Twyman, Edge/IDL, Pitt 6th round 191st overall --- Charles Snowden Edge/OLB, Virginia 7th round 231st overall --- Tony Fields II, LB, West Virginia 7th round 233rd overall --- JaCoby Stevens, S, LSU Id jump for joy with that draft! I think Twyman goes early 3rd imo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 I think D-line is really deep, and some guys are gonna be around in 4 and 5 you will not be expecting. Happens all the time, and especially this year. It's how we once upon a time got Atkins in the 4th, and Lawson too. It can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Jamie_B said: I would suggest that nobody drafts a back up QB in the 1st round, when you draft a 1st Round QB you draft him to play, even if it is right away for down the line depending on your current starter (See: Aaron Rodgers waiting a few years before Bret Farvre left) Um Hurts wasn't a first round pick, Jalen Reagor was their first round pick last year. Hurts went late in round 2, which is where a team would take a backup QB if their starter has a history of injuries as Wentz did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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