Homer_Rice Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 This fellow is critical, with reason it seems to me, but of key interest here is the link to the primary source document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 In order to understand, one must find the link. Then you will be a truly accomplished, uhhh, something or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Sorry. [url="http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/4/171811/1974"]http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/4/171811/1974[/url] <slaps head and calls himself a dumbass!> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 You want someone to blame, here you go! [img]http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.39.jpg[/img] Kathleen Babineaux Blanco Governor of Louisiana And here's why, [url="http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1377271&referer=http%3A//aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp"]http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mo...ews/article.adp[/url] Bush was ready to go but Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco needed 24 hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalBacker Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' date='Sep 5 2005, 10:42 PM']You want someone to blame, here you go! [img]http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.39.jpg[/img] Kathleen Babineaux Blanco Governor of Louisiana And here's why, [url="http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1377271&referer=http%3A//aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp"]http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mo...ews/article.adp[/url] Bush was ready to go but Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco needed 24 hours! [right][post="143001"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Wow is right. I think it's clear that there was a lot of bumbling around by lots of folks in positions of responsibility. But the mayor's comments refer to Sept 3, not proactive planning. I thought folks might want to read the actual document promulgated by the federal government to deal with these kinds of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-k-galbraith/democrats-must-choose_b_6846.html"]Galbraith's[/url] criticism is apt. Dems are complicit, too. Sometimes silence means consent, and the lack of positive programs emanating from the Dem party is why they cannot regain power, even when running against one of the most venal admins to grace our nation's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [i][b]Bushites seem to not fathom the fact that criticizing Bush is not defending the others.... Sure that stupid cunt fucked up, throw her out too But she is not my Governor... so I don't call for her ousting. But Bush is my President so drag his ass out of his ranch and light him on fire. [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sigfox77 Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 6 2005, 04:35 AM'][i][b]Bushites seem to not fathom the fact that criticizing Bush is not defending the others.... Sure that stupid cunt fucked up, throw her out too But she is not my Governor... so I don't call for her ousting. But Bush is my President so drag his ass out of his ranch and light him on fire. [/b][/i] [right][post="143154"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Is it just me or is the whole blame game a little childish. Nobody wants those people to not get help, and those trying to use this horrific disaster as political propaganda should be ashamed. It is childish and doesnt help solve the problem at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [color="red"][b]Throw out the Mayor Throw out the Governor Throw out the Head of FEMA Throw out the head of Homeland Security & Throw out Bush & His administration [/color] as for the Blame Game, we were told when there was no WMD's "lets move forward and not focus on the past"...... Now that 10,000 poor are dead and Bush played Golf, we are told "lets move forward and not focus on the past"...... When the fuck is there a time to point out incompetence..... I guess for some never [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [b]Also this is exposing Bush as being a Huge Cronyist He put a guy who was in charge of Race Horses in charge of FEMA...... Bush doesn't know how to pick proper leaders.... thus let's find someone who can ... Hell give us Rudi Guillianni till the next election he showed himself to be competent in 9/11[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengaljet Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 6 2005, 08:30 AM'][color="red"][b]Throw out the Mayor Throw out the Governor Throw out the Head of FEMA Throw out the head of Homeland Security & Throw out Bush & His administration [/color] as for the Blame Game, we were told when there was no WMD's "lets move forward and not focus on the past"...... Now that 10,000 poor are dead and Bush played Golf, we are told "lets move forward and not focus on the past"...... When the fuck is there a time to point out incompetence..... I guess for some never [/b] [right][post="143191"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Damn it BJ.Would you say what you really mean and quit beating around the "bush"(waits for the "attack" that he knows will come and don't give a shit about!)? I really don't understand what you're saying-it seems very vague to me. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] The "blame game" is mentioned,but the "excuse game"(which includes blaming someone else) follows right after -how f'ing funny. BJ,you've got more energy than I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sigfox77 Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 6 2005, 08:33 AM'][b]Also this is exposing Bush as being a Huge Cronyist He put a guy who was in charge of Race Horses in charge of FEMA...... Bush doesn't know how to pick proper leaders.... thus let's find someone who can ... Hell give us Rudi Guillianni till the next election he showed himself to be competent in 9/11[/b] [right][post="143194"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] You are an extremist you are going to find fault with everything Bush does. Personally I think trying to find someone to take blame for a natural disaster is childish. To use this as political progaganda is wrong. As for there not being WMDs I would have to say that there is has been more focus on that than any part of the conflict in Iraq. There are papers and news stories on that nearly everyday. Check the records Clinton said that they had them, every D nominee from the last election said they had them. I guess if there is a problem with incompetence it is on both sides of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='sigfox77' date='Sep 6 2005, 09:24 AM']Is it just me or is the whole blame game a little childish. Nobody wants those people to not get help, and those trying to use this horrific disaster as political propaganda should be ashamed. It is childish and doesnt help solve the problem at hand. [right][post="143189"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//41.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 City of New Orleans Hurricane's Preparedness... [url="http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26"]http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Sep 6 2005, 10:57 AM']City of New Orleans Hurricane's Preparedness... [url="http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26"]http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26[/url] [right][post="143270"][/post][/right][/quote] i was gonna post something similar to that... [url="http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=3"]click here[/url]... key paragraph written by mayor nagan: [i]"We coordinate all city departments and allied state and federal agencies which respond to citywide disasters and emergencies through the development and constant updating of an integrated multi-hazard plan. All requests for federal disaster assistance and federal funding subsequent to disaster declarations are also made through this office. Our authority is defined by the Louisiana Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act of 1993, Chapter 6 Section 709, Paragraph B, [b]'Each parish shall maintain a Disaster Agency which, except as otherwise provided under this act, has jurisdiction over and serves the entire parish.'[/b] "[/i] now, whos fault is this mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote]Is it just me or is the whole blame game a little childish. I guess if there is a problem with incompetence it is on both sides of the fence.[/quote] [i][b]Are you retarded.... no blaming someone when they are to blame is not childish it is responsible.... I would also agree that there is incompetence abound... and they all should be held accountable.... but how does pointing that someone before Bush was incompetent not mean that he isn't...... I didn't like Clinton Either.... He fucked up in a lot of areas... but luckily none of them cost 10,000 American lives.... Bush supporters are amazing in their ability to not focus on the present reality.... "There were no WMD's" - Bush supporter - "Yeah but clinton thought they were there" "Bush was playing Golf during the Nations largest ever emergency" - Bush supporter - "Yeah but the mayor screwed up too" The Mayor is not as powerful and is not accountable to the entire nation.... he is accountable to the people of the city who voted him in. Thus I can't call for him to replaced (in actuality) because he is not my Mayor... But Bush is all of our President and he is an incompetent one.... Thus he should be replaced[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Why do we have local and state governments if the President is responsible for everything? You can't go after who's responsible since it's not your state, so you'll go after the president [u][b]again[/b][/u]. You probably stubbed your toe this morning and blamed Bush. "I'm going to get a lawyer and try to sue the president for not protecting my toe from harm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 bush did exactly what he could, w/out overstepping his bounds, in the "pre-katrina" period... he declared NO a DISASTER AREA BEFORE THE STORM EVEN HIT!!! he made all funds available to them before the hurricane hit (let alone, the flood which is the worst part of all this), which put the ball solely in the local gov't's hands... you may want the federal gov't to "save" everyone when a disaster happens and its understandable that people want to blame bush, who should take some criticism for not acting quickly enough in the aftermath, but the point of giving each state its own power and responsibility is simply... we don't want too much power int eh executive (presidents) branch, b/c too much power leads to corruption (or in this case, too much work to do for one branch) you guys did notice that the second bush took over the situation, things changed quickly... that is why i am somewhat disappointed in bush, b/c when he took over, it was historic how well things went... if this would have taken place in the first few days, this would be a day to be PROUD to be an american... that is why i'm disappointed and think bush deserves critcism... but nothing compared to the loser mayor and governor of LA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sigfox77 Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 6 2005, 12:25 PM'][i][b]Are you retarded.... no blaming someone when they are to blame is not childish it is responsible.... I would also agree that there is incompetence abound... and they all should be held accountable.... but how does pointing that someone before Bush was incompetent not mean that he isn't...... I didn't like Clinton Either.... He fucked up in a lot of areas... but luckily none of them cost 10,000 American lives.... Bush supporters are amazing in their ability to not focus on the present reality.... "There were no WMD's" - Bush supporter - "Yeah but clinton thought they were there" "Bush was playing Golf during the Nations largest ever emergency" - Bush supporter - "Yeah but the mayor screwed up too" The Mayor is not as powerful and is not accountable to the entire nation.... he is accountable to the people of the city who voted him in. Thus I can't call for him to replaced (in actuality) because he is not my Mayor... But Bush is all of our President and he is an incompetent one.... Thus he should be replaced[/b][/i] [right][post="143310"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] It is very childish to play the blame game...it makes it look more like you care about criticizing the president then actually caring for the people who are the true victims. The president made some errors in providing relief and so did the mayor and gov. but that is truly a moot point at this juncture. If it makes me retarded that I would rather focus on the best possible recovery rather than trying to advance an extremist political position. Than yeah I guess I am retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='Jamie_B' date='Sep 6 2005, 10:57 AM']City of New Orleans Hurricane's Preparedness... [url="http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26"]http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26[/url] [right][post="143270"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Excellent catch, Jamie. On paper, this looks pretty straightforward, as did the federal SOP. I think, though, they'll be revising the evacuation timelines in some respects. Also, it clearly states that provisions ought to be available at all times at evac centers; I'd like to know more about how this played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:09 PM']that is why i am somewhat disappointed in bush, b/c when he took over, it was historic how well things went...[right][post="143330"][/post][/right][/quote] Yeah, and I took an epic shit this morning; now that was an evacuation. Dante would have been proud. Some rational observations: 1) This storm was the size of Great Britain. The challenge to emergency services is pretty overwhelming. I expect some snafus under those conditions. (Oh, and nobody was safely walking out of a storm that size, unless it were by freakish luck.) 2) The blaming part is not so much about individual actions, as it is about individuals within a structural context. E.g. Why no provisions at some locations? Why the bureaucractic crosspurposes and countermanding orders at times? Why the slow response to hospitals, etc? 3) After-action reports and lessons-learned analyses will no doubt be critical in constructive ways. That's the necessary focus. 4) On the political front, folks are already trying to make hay. This is normal behavior, though it does seem macabre while people are still dying. Politics is grotesque sometimes. So, cognizant of #'s 1,2 and 3, I will engage in #4. I hope everyone does, no matter what your views. It can be a constructive process, if we citizens make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 6 2005, 04:35 AM'][i][b]Bushites seem to not fathom the fact that criticizing Bush is not defending the others.... Sure that stupid cunt fucked up, throw her out too But she is not my Governor... so I don't call for her ousting. But Bush is my President so drag his ass out of his ranch and light him on fire. [/b][/i] [right][post="143154"][/post][/right][/quote]Don't sugar coat it...tell us how you really feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 [quote name='Homer_Rice' date='Sep 6 2005, 07:21 PM']Excellent catch, Jamie. On paper, this looks pretty straightforward, as did the federal SOP. I think, though, they'll be revising the evacuation timelines in some respects. Also, it clearly states that provisions ought to be available at all times at evac centers; I'd like to know more about how this played out. [right][post="143463"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Agreed on both accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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