T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, BengalFanInTO said: Chris Henry had over 30 receptions twice. What's your point? Yes, in the 2 years where he played close to a full season. What's yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, BengalFanInTO said: Chris Henry had over 30 receptions twice. What's your point? This. Henry was talent and potential. He never realized it, unfortunately. You don't take someone high in the first round to play Robin to someone else's Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: Target replacement doesn't actually make sense. He only caught 47 of those targets. If he had caught even 20 more we could have had far fewer targets or more due to first downs. Over the last 4 years there has been a variance of over 100 attempts for us. It seems like it should make sense but it doesn't. Huh? It doesn’t make any difference how many catches he had, the point is those are 104 passes that weren’t going to Boyd or Higgins either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, happyrid said: I'm in favor of Sewell in the first also but I do think they need another good WR. The offense would function so much better with a second deep threat to keep defenses honest and open the middle of the field for Tyler Boyd. The year the Rams went to the Super Bowl, they had a 3-headed monster of Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods, and Cooper Kupp. Each averaged over 75 receiving yards per game. We saw the Colts surround Peyton Manning with a bunch of skill position talent when he was first drafted. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark each put up huge numbers and were all first rounders. They had some slot guys who put up big numbers too. The Bills helped Josh Allen make the leap by going out and trading for Stefon Diggs and paying $9M a year to both Cole Beasley in the slot and John Brown outside. There's a lot of examples of young QBs finding success when their teams hit on two or three special pass catchers to help them out. Or even when the Rams had Holt, Bruce, and Hakeem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, UncleEarl said: This. Henry was talent and potential. He never realized it, unfortunately. You don't take someone high in the first round to play Robin to someone else's Batman. I think if they take Chase he’s the new Batman. Boyd and Higgins make perfect Robins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Jamie_B said: Or even when the Rams had Holt, Bruce, and Hakeem And Faulk catching 100 passes a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, spicoli said: And Faulk catching 100 passes a season. And if they are committing to Jonah playing LT, right tackles in the 2nd round are not that hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: I think that results in less passes to Boyd who then wants to leave. Or Higgins. I don't think its realistic to feed these 3 guys. The ideas fun, but I think we have 2 stars here. We've been over this. NO, it won't. AJ got 100+ targets last year. Those same targets can go to a WR1 like Chase and don't affect the targets for Boyd or Higgins. AT ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, spicoli said: Huh? It doesn’t make any difference how many catches he had, the point is those are 104 passes that weren’t going to Boyd or Higgins either way. THANK YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, spicoli said: I think if they take Chase he’s the new Batman. Boyd and Higgins make perfect Robins. That's amazing when Boyd is a 5 year vet with close to 4000 yards and Higgins had a great rookie season. We need to quit acting like a 5th overall pick automatically makes someone a HoF player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, T-Dub said: We need to quit acting like a 5th overall pick automatically makes someone a HoF player. Makes no difference what we think. If he's still there, they'll take him and he'll be the alpha. What he turns into after that is anyone’s guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, spicoli said: Makes no difference what we think. If he's still there, they'll take him and he'll be the alpha. What he turns into after that is anyone’s guess. Eh, maybe. If they're trying to create a winning culture they need to make rookies earn their playing time instead of benching productive vets for the first shiny thing they find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 What they should do and what they will do are separate issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, T-Dub said: That's amazing when Boyd is a 5 year vet with close to 4000 yards and Higgins had a great rookie season. We need to quit acting like a 5th overall pick automatically makes someone a HoF player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, spicoli said: What they should do and what they will do are separate issues. Well in that case quit fucking around and make with the lottery numbers, Nostradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 No one needs Nostradamus to predict Mike Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, spicoli said: No one needs Nostradamus to predict Mike Brown. It's funny, right? Seems like this is at least the 6th or 7th year in a row where he's turned things over to KatieTroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, T-Dub said: It's funny, right? Seems like this is at least the 6th or 7th year in a row where he's turned things over to KatieTroy. “From my cold dead hands” comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, spicoli said: “From my cold dead hands” comes to mind. Good move = Katie did it! It's a New Dey! Bad move = Mike Brown step down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, T-Dub said: It's funny, right? Seems like this is at least the 6th or 7th year in a row where he's turned things over to KatieTroy. He never does anything QUICKLY !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 What the Texans have done is insane. Keep in mind that we have signed 5 free agents and that's about average to a bit above average. Blue FA's Green Trades QB Watson 22 Taylor 22 Finley 23 3 RB Johnson 22 Lindsay 22 Ingram 22 Howell 22 Phillips 22 Hilliard 22 6 FB WR Cooks 24 Conley 22 Roberts 23 Erickson 22 4 WR Cobb 23 Hansen 22 Coulter 24 Mitchell 21 4 WR Coutee 22 Moore 22 Moncrief 22 3 TE Akins 22 Izzo 22 Brown 22 Warring 23 4 LT Tunsil 24 1 LG Scharping 23 Benzschawel 22 Froholdt 23 3 C McCray 23 Cabral 23 2 RG Toner 22 Britt 22 2 RT Howard 24 Cannon 22 Heck 24 Steckler 22 4 K Fairbairn 24 1 P Johnston 24 1 LS Kukwa 23 1 LE Taylor 22 1 NT Collins 22 Blacklock 24 Dunn 23 Alufohai 23 3 RE Omenihu 23 Hall 22 2 OLB Mercilus 24 Jenkins 23 Greenard 24 3 ILB Pierre-Louis 23 Kirksey 22 Davis 22 Grugier-Hall 22 4 ILB Cunningham 25 Thomas 22 Rivers 22 Hall 22 3 OLB Martin 22 Lawson 23 Ejiofor 22 3 S Reid 22 Brooks 22 Owens 22 3 S Johnson 23 Moore 22 2 CB Roby 23 King 22 Mitchell 23 Reid 24 4 CB Murray 23 Hargreaves 22 Thomas 23 3 CB Crossen 22 Smith 22 Armstrong 22 3 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, membengal said: We've been over this. NO, it won't. AJ got 100+ targets last year. Those same targets can go to a WR1 like Chase and don't affect the targets for Boyd or Higgins. AT ALL. You are assuming Chase works and thinks like a pro and is ready to be WR1. That is not a given. Maybe Burrow's insight helps, but you are making a big assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: It's funny, right? Seems like this is at least the 6th or 7th year in a row where he's turned things over to KatieTroy. He turned over day to day operations, not personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: You are assuming Chase works and thinks like a pro and is ready to be WR1. That is not a given. Maybe Burrow's insight helps, but you are making a big assumption. There’s no reason to think he won’t either. Look what the other LSU kid did in Minny last season. Chase is on a different level as a prospect coming into the NFL than any of those WR’s were last year and they all turned out to be very good. Hell, look what Green did as a rookie with rookie Dalton, him and Chase are about the same prospect from a grade standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, spicoli said: There’s no reason to think he won’t either. Look what the other LSU kid did in Minny last season. Chase is on a different level as a prospect coming into the NFL than any of those WR’s were last year and they all turned out to be very good. Hell, look what Green did as a rookie with rookie Dalton, him and Chase are about the same prospect from a grade standpoint. One reason bad franchises lose is they count on draft picks day 1. I'm not saying they shouldn't play, but making a guy WR1 day one is garbage franchise stuff. Green had to be WR1 because the Bengals other WRs were crap. Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell. And Green only had 65 catches his rookie season. He didn't become "AJ Green" until is second year. The Bengals have two good WRs. They don't have a good TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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