Shebengal Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 hours ago, TigerJ@w said: That is five first rounders since 2014 drafted by Tobin as a goner! Nice Job! And every one of them had their rookie seasons derailed by injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Meh. Fwiw I think with the new added bulk and the tutelage of Pollack, Jonah Williams starts to become the franchise LT we’ve all been waiting for this season. That should help our draft cred significantly I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, membengal said: I mean, Hill has legitimately been good in the past and what not. I am kind of stunned we pulled that trade off. The money for both is pretty much the same but Hill is a decent player while Price is just terrible. NY must be desperate for O line depth and out of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 11 hours ago, SF2 said: I am kind of stunned we pulled that trade off. The money for both is pretty much the same but Hill is a decent player while Price is just terrible. NY must be desperate for O line depth and out of money. They had been talking about the Giants OL on Sirius radio all offseason - essentially how lousy it was. "Scrubs' for backup, etc. Sounds like thier OL is like ours was last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF dan Posted September 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/grading-the-trade-billy-price-shipped-out-for-bj-hill don't know if this has been posted, but a pretty good opinion of Hill. FWIW - the sample vids are enticing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 I'd like more insurance than Trey Hill behind Hopkins. Vikings have a stout d-line so it wouldn't be surprising to see Hopkins take a beating in game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, sparky151 said: I'd like more insurance than Trey Hill behind Hopkins. Vikings have a stout d-line so it wouldn't be surprising to see Hopkins take a beating in game 1. Agree. Hill got smoked a few times vs. third stringers against Miami. Love the potential, but... :nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 10:02 AM, I_C_Deadpeople said: They had been talking about the Giants OL on Sirius radio all offseason - essentially how lousy it was. "Scrubs' for backup, etc. Sounds like thier OL is like ours was last year Its worse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Giants have a bad O-line coach trying an ineffective scheme with poor players. This is the team that cut Zeitler after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Giants have a bad O-line coach trying an ineffective scheme with poor players. This is the team that cut Zeitler after all. Allmost as bad as Turner huh?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/grading-the-trade-billy-price-shipped-out-for-bj-hill Grading the Trade: Bengals Acquire B.J. Hill in Exchange for Billy Price Cincinnati sent their former first rounder to New York in exchange for D-Line help. RUSS HELTMAN The Bengals are staying busy ahead of roster cutdown day. They traded backup center Billy Price to the New York Giants for defensive tackle B.J. Hill and a conditional seventh-round pick on Monday. Cincinnati is putting the finishing touches on their 2021 roster. The Price era was a disappointment. The Bengals' first round selections from 2014-18 (Darqueze Dennard, Cedric Ogbuehi, William Jackson, John Ross, Billy Price) are no longer on the roster. Let's dive in and grade the trade aimed to bolster the defensive trenches in Cincinnati. Positional Impact With Price on the way out, it's a clear sign of two things from the Bengals' offensive coaching staff. They're confident in starting center Trey Hopkins' ability to stay healthy. It could also mean they like what they've seen from sixth-round rookie Trey Hill. Price had his best season under offensive line coach Frank Pollack in 2018, but has regressed to the mean since then. The former Buckeye posted pass-blocking grades of 26.1 and 29.4 over the past two seasons according to Pro Football Focus. Hill must've shown enough in his first preseason to give the organization confidence in what they had behind Hopkins and Price. A savvy move given Price is on the final year of his rookie deal and hasn't given Hopkins much competition. Defensively, this trade injects another disruptive body into the Bengals interior defensive line. Hill was taken two rounds later than Price in the same draft class and has flashed strong wrecking ability over his first three seasons. The 26-year-old's posted 7.5 sacks and 116 tackles in 48 games (17 starts). PFF is a big fan of his snap-to-snap productivity. He's earned grades of 73.4, 75.9, and 69.1 in his first three NFL campaigns. The site credits Hill with 65 quarterback pressures and 61 defensive stops through 3 seasons. To put that consistency into perspective, Geno Atkins is the only interior lineman that has amassed 15-plus pressures for the Bengals in any season since 2018. Hill has a chance to come in and make an instant impact. That impact should be felt even quicker and more consistently if this entire defensive line can avoid catastrophic injuries. They already had one with Joseph Ossai going down, but they likely aren't too worried about Hill's health. The NC State product has played in every game of his career (48), but has only made 17 starts. “I have a lot of respect for B.J. [Hill] as a player, I think he’s a starting defensive lineman in this league,” Giants head coach Joe Judge said about the trade. “He’s in a unique position in the room he’s in. He’s in the last year of his contract, and I think this is an opportunity to improve our team but also put a player we have a lot of respect for to go out there and be in position to get starter money. So it’s something I think that works out for both parties very well. We appreciate what B.J. did.” Hill was caught in the middle of a very strong defensive line rotation beginning in his second year. Now he has a defined role as the backup 3-tech behind Larry Ogunjobi. Hill can play three positions along the trenches, but PFF tracked his 2020 stats as focused on two spots. PFF pegged Hill with 198 snaps at 3-tech and 109 snaps at 5-tech. He played the other 28 snaps at nose tackle. One-on-one victories are the name of the game for Hill, who comes in with proven chops as an interior pass rusher. Now the question is whether the Bengals can tap into the player he was in his first season when he notched 5.5 sacks, the second-most by a rookie in Giants history. He figures to be much more important in the Bengals non-injury impacted plans than Price would've been. Financial Impact According to John Baines, the deal adds a small bit of money to the Bengals overall cap sheet for 2021. With Price's dead cap charge and Hill's salary, the team added $105,842 to their cap number. This move is peanuts compared to what backup 3-techs cost on the open market and allows the Bengals to swap players, as opposed to adding Hill off the street and cutting Price without receiving the conditional pick. The Hill-Price deal was great business by the Bengals as they get set to kick off a very important 2021 season. Final Grade: A Make sure you bookmark AllBengals for the latest training camp news, including exclusive interviews, highlights and so much more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker57 Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 so a writer/fan from All bengals gives an A on the trade..... not sure if thats an objective analysis or a homer report. BUT ....if it matters , i hope he's right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 25 minutes ago, stryker57 said: so a writer/fan from All bengals gives an A on the trade..... not sure if thats an objective analysis or a homer report. BUT ....if it matters , i hope he's right The only problem with the trade is if Hopkins goes down soon. It’s a risk to get a player that can likely help immediately for a guy you don’t want. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 3:19 PM, TigerJ@w said: That is five first rounders since 2014 drafted by Tobin as a goner! Nice Job! this was such a cool comment i figured is check another team, so i picked the legendary patriots drafts.. 2014: Easley, out of NFL it seems 2015: Malcom Brown, on the jags, gone 2016: didnt have a first pick 2017: didnt have a first pick 2018: Wynn, on team 2018#2: Michael, gone, rams. 2019, 2021: all still there, no '20 pick. so 3 of their 5 first round picks are done. bengals first round playes gone since 2014 pick, 62.5%, patriots, 60%. devastating horrible front office. i also looked up the bills, chiefs, packers, all were 50% give or take 1 player, the rams dont have a single first rounder on their roster from 2014-now they traded most but robinson, gurley and goff are all gone. its almost like the nfl draft can be a crap shoot and average nfl careers is like 3.5 years or something.. anyway.. very cool and relevant point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 3:19 PM, TigerJ@w said: That is five first rounders since 2014 drafted by Tobin as a goner! Nice Job! More Than 50% Of First Round Picks Are Busts And Other Terrifying Draft Statistics: https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/ crazy how Tobin is making every first round pick for every nfl team for decades be more than 50% busts... fuck that guy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Applying those statistics it seems as if the Bengals doing more in F/A is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Comparing the Bengals drafts success in the first round to the Patriots isn’t apples to apples. The Patriots regularly had bottom 5 picks in the draft in that period. Here is a table from the article that explains that phenomenon well. The numbers are percentage of good picks as he defines them. At the same time the Bengals and Patriots have similar issues with talent right now. These aren’t Tom Brady’s Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ@w Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 15 hours ago, GoBengals said: More Than 50% Of First Round Picks Are Busts And Other Terrifying Draft Statistics: https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/ crazy how Tobin is making every first round pick for every nfl team for decades be more than 50% busts... fuck that guy.. So you do build a winning team by using free agency. Who would’ve thunk it! I thought it was through the draft? That is what I was always told by the Kool Aid bunch. So which is it? Should we go through each team’s entire draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Trey Hopkins got abused yesterday and Burrow got hit as the result. Maybe Hopkins will get better as the season goes on but the Bengals clearly have problems on the O-line again. It would be nice to have a better backup option at C than Hill. At least BJ Hill got us 2 sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalifBengalfan Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 New York Giants to start Billy Price at center, shift Nick Gates to guard against Washington Football Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibor75 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Picking up WFT Fantasy Defense might be the smart move this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Or maybe not. Price had a pretty good game for the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, membengal said: 16 pff pb grade lol... That was abysmal.. It was still double Hopkins 7.5 !! What's lower than abysmal??. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: 16 pff pb grade lol... That was abysmal.. It was still double Hopkins 7.5 !! What's lower than abysmal??. 😎 Appallingly bad? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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