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Meh. Fwiw I think with the new added bulk and the tutelage of Pollack, Jonah Williams starts to become the franchise LT we’ve all been waiting for this season. That should help our draft cred significantly I would think. 

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3 hours ago, membengal said:

I mean, Hill has legitimately been good in the past and what not. 

I am kind of stunned we pulled that trade off.  The money for both is pretty much the same but Hill is a decent player while Price is just terrible.  NY must be desperate for O line depth and out of money. 

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11 hours ago, SF2 said:

I am kind of stunned we pulled that trade off.  The money for both is pretty much the same but Hill is a decent player while Price is just terrible.  NY must be desperate for O line depth and out of money. 

They had been talking about the Giants OL on Sirius radio all offseason - essentially how lousy it was. "Scrubs' for backup, etc. Sounds like thier OL is like ours was last year

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1 minute ago, sparky151 said:

I'd like more insurance than Trey Hill behind Hopkins. Vikings have a stout d-line so it wouldn't be surprising to see Hopkins take a beating in game 1.

 

Agree.  Hill got smoked a few times vs. third stringers against Miami.  Love the potential, but... :nervous:

 

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https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/grading-the-trade-billy-price-shipped-out-for-bj-hill

Grading the Trade: Bengals Acquire B.J. Hill in Exchange for Billy Price

Cincinnati sent their former first rounder to New York in exchange for D-Line help.
 
RUSS HELTMAN
 

The Bengals are staying busy ahead of roster cutdown day. They traded backup center Billy Price to the New York Giants for defensive tackle B.J. Hill and a conditional seventh-round pick on Monday.

Cincinnati is putting the finishing touches on their 2021 roster. The Price era was a disappointment. The Bengals' first round selections from 2014-18 (Darqueze Dennard, Cedric Ogbuehi, William Jackson, John Ross, Billy Price) are no longer on the roster. 

Let's dive in and grade the trade aimed to bolster the defensive trenches in Cincinnati.

Positional Impact

With Price on the way out, it's a clear sign of two things from the Bengals' offensive coaching staff. They're confident in starting center Trey Hopkins' ability to stay healthy. It could also mean they like what they've seen from sixth-round rookie Trey Hill.

Price had his best season under offensive line coach Frank Pollack in 2018, but has regressed to the mean since then. The former Buckeye posted pass-blocking grades of 26.1 and 29.4 over the past two seasons according to Pro Football Focus. Hill must've shown enough in his first preseason to give the organization confidence in what they had behind Hopkins and Price. 

A savvy move given Price is on the final year of his rookie deal and hasn't given Hopkins much competition.

Defensively, this trade injects another disruptive body into the Bengals interior defensive line.

Hill was taken two rounds later than Price in the same draft class and has flashed strong wrecking ability over his first three seasons. The 26-year-old's posted 7.5 sacks and 116 tackles in 48 games (17 starts). PFF is a big fan of his snap-to-snap productivity. He's earned grades of 73.4, 75.9, and 69.1 in his first three NFL campaigns.

The site credits Hill with 65 quarterback pressures and 61 defensive stops through 3 seasons. To put that consistency into perspective, Geno Atkins is the only interior lineman that has amassed 15-plus pressures for the Bengals in any season since 2018. Hill has a chance to come in and make an instant impact.

That impact should be felt even quicker and more consistently if this entire defensive line can avoid catastrophic injuries. They already had one with Joseph Ossai going down, but they likely aren't too worried about Hill's health. The NC State product has played in every game of his career (48), but has only made 17 starts.

“I have a lot of respect for B.J. [Hill] as a player, I think he’s a starting defensive lineman in this league,” Giants head coach Joe Judge said about the trade. “He’s in a unique position in the room he’s in. He’s in the last year of his contract, and I think this is an opportunity to improve our team but also put a player we have a lot of respect for to go out there and be in position to get starter money. So it’s something I think that works out for both parties very well. We appreciate what B.J. did.”

Hill was caught in the middle of a very strong defensive line rotation beginning in his second year. Now he has a defined role as the backup 3-tech behind Larry Ogunjobi. Hill can play three positions along the trenches, but PFF tracked his 2020 stats as focused on two spots. PFF pegged Hill with 198 snaps at 3-tech and 109 snaps at 5-tech. He played the other 28 snaps at nose tackle.

One-on-one victories are the name of the game for Hill, who comes in with proven chops as an interior pass rusher. Now the question is whether the Bengals can tap into the player he was in his first season when he notched 5.5 sacks, the second-most by a rookie in Giants history.

He figures to be much more important in the Bengals non-injury impacted plans than Price would've been.

Financial Impact

According to John Baines, the deal adds a small bit of money to the Bengals overall cap sheet for 2021. With Price's dead cap charge and Hill's salary, the team added $105,842 to their cap number.

This move is peanuts compared to what backup 3-techs cost on the open market and allows the Bengals to swap players, as opposed to adding Hill off the street and cutting Price without receiving the conditional pick. The Hill-Price deal was great business by the Bengals as they get set to kick off a very important 2021 season.

Final Grade: A

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25 minutes ago, stryker57 said:

so a writer/fan from    All bengals gives an A on the trade.....   not sure if thats an objective analysis or a homer report.  

 

BUT ....if it matters , i hope he's right 

 


The only problem with the trade is if Hopkins goes down soon. It’s a risk to get a player that can likely help

immediately for a guy you don’t want.  I like it.  

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On 8/30/2021 at 3:19 PM, TigerJ@w said:

That is five first rounders since 2014 drafted by Tobin as a goner!  Nice Job! 

this was such a cool comment i figured is check another team, so i picked the legendary patriots drafts..

 

2014: Easley, out of NFL it seems

2015: Malcom Brown, on the jags, gone

2016: didnt have a first pick

2017: didnt have a first pick

2018: Wynn, on team

2018#2: Michael, gone, rams. 

2019, 2021: all still there, no '20 pick.

 

so 3 of their 5 first round picks are done. bengals first round playes gone since 2014 pick, 62.5%, patriots, 60%.

 

devastating horrible front office.

 

i also looked up the bills, chiefs, packers, all were 50% give or take 1 player, the rams dont have a single first rounder on their roster from 2014-now they traded most but robinson, gurley and goff are all gone.

 

its almost like the nfl draft can be a crap shoot and average nfl careers is like 3.5 years or something..

 

anyway.. very cool and relevant point.

 

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On 8/30/2021 at 3:19 PM, TigerJ@w said:

That is five first rounders since 2014 drafted by Tobin as a goner!  Nice Job! 

 

More Than 50% Of First Round Picks Are Busts And Other Terrifying Draft Statistics:

 

https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/

 

crazy how Tobin is making every first round pick for every nfl team for decades be more than 50% busts... fuck that guy..

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Comparing the Bengals drafts success in the first round to the Patriots isn’t apples to apples.  The Patriots regularly had bottom 5 picks in the draft in that period.  Here is a table from the article that explains that phenomenon well. The numbers are percentage of good picks as he defines them.  
 

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At the same time the Bengals and Patriots have similar issues with talent right now. These aren’t Tom Brady’s Patriots.  

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15 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

More Than 50% Of First Round Picks Are Busts And Other Terrifying Draft Statistics:

 

https://theriotreport.com/more-than-50-of-first-round-picks-are-busts-and-other-terrifying-draft-statistics/

 

crazy how Tobin is making every first round pick for every nfl team for decades be more than 50% busts... fuck that guy..

So you do build a winning team by using free agency.  Who would’ve thunk it! I thought it was through the draft?  That is what I was always told by the Kool Aid bunch.  So which is it?  Should we go through each team’s entire draft? 

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